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Wow. Just wow...

That guy should be fucking crucified.

no, the mother who called the police because she wouldn't take a shower is the one who should be shot

Mr Noggle said the girl will face disorderly conduct charges as a juvenile.

That just fucking floored me.

The mom ought to have that taser soldered to her skull. Who the hell calls the cops because your 10 yr. old is misbehaving?

The girl is destined for failure anyway.

What I think is interesting is that everyone is criticizing the officer, but no one has said anything about the child.

when he tried to take her into custody and she kicked him in the groin.

The girl assaulted a police officer

If you can't pick the kid up and take her to your car, handcuff her, then I don't think you need to be an officer. She doesn't deserve to be treated like a dog. She's not a tiger.

If he had tried to forcefully take the girl, he could have caused her injury while trying to protect himself. Using a tazer was actually the lease dangerous, least violent and probably least painful method of getting her under control.

Children need to be accountable for their own actions. At the age of 10, you damn well know that it is wrong to assault a police officer. If you choose to do so, you should be held accountable for that.

so fucking sad to see such a "bleh, who cares" attitude about police abusing children.

Gidan wrote:Children need to be accountable for their own actions. At the age of 10, you damn well know that it is wrong to assault a police officer. If you choose to do so, you should be held accountable for that.

The father stated that the daughter showed signs of emotional problems, and it's possible that she might have a condition on the autistic spectrum, or some form of severe anxiety/fear inducing disorder (e.g. hydrophobia + screaming mother = screaming scared to death kid), in which case, she may very well not be capable of understanding.

Either way, the problem is that the cop had NO business getting involved. The proper action when a parent is unable to control their child in such a manner is to contact Child Services and fucking back off. It is not a cop's job to make a kid take a shower. Now, if said child had a razor, a knife, or something else that could lead them to believe that she was endangering herself or others, then he can step in and do whatever is necessary to prevent that.

But a shower? Because mom is fucking worthless? Nope. Then again, this is Arkansas we're talking about, so.....

I do NOT agree that a 10 year old should be accountable for their actions, that is too broad of a blanket statement. I've seen 10 year olds have all sorts of crying fits, rage fits (not my own mind you), etc. Some kids deal with things across a wide range. You can't always reason with a child, including 17 year old ones. It isn't a point of right or wrong, it is a point of priority in the childs mind.

What the cop did was wrong period. He should be reprimanded. The use of a tazer on a child is so far outside the tazer guidelines, he should have known better. I don't give a flying 2 shits how big a 10 year old is, I'm only 180lbs, and there is no freaking way a flailing 10 year old is going to get the better of me if I'm trying to subdue them. In reading this article it seems to me he did what he did by the request of the mother in a round about way.

He used abuse to protect himself already, who knows how "bad" it may have been if he did the right thing, you know, his job, like get in harms way to protect and all that shit.

ClakarEQ wrote:I do NOT agree that a 10 year old should be accountable for their actions, that is too broad of a blanket statement.

then you're a horrible father

The blanket statement man, so if your boy makes a mistake, has an accident, I suppose you scold and punish him right? 10 year olds aren't adults and to make a blanket statement that anything a 10 year old does he should be held accountable for is BS. There is a reason why YOU and I are held accountable for our children you dumb ass.

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Tik, since you're a father I have a hard time believing what you've written and will take it as flame bait. Either that, or you're not a very caring father to your son and just from that one post implies you instill fear and dominance over your child to force compliance with your wishes.

If it had been written that some things 10year olds do they should be accountable for, well I wouldn't have an issue with that. Why don't you go talk to a parent with a child that has ADHD, ADD, depression, autism, etc and see what they'd say to your "methods" of parenting a 10 year old.

I just think it's foolish to say that it's ok for any kid over the age of 5 to be unaccountable for their actions

I'm not saying you give them shit, or beat them or whatever

mistakes are for learning

not holding them accountable is just wrong

...and tazing the 10 year-old is clearly a rational response.

This is splitting hairs and I wasn't trying to create some stink. Regardless of what you say you do, no parent holds every action their child does as "accountable". If they did THAT would be a horrible parent as you call it.

I had a problem with what I felt was a broad statement made by Gid and odds are he didn't mean for it to be taken that way, but regardless.

I hold my kids accountable for things they do wrong where they new it was wrong going in, a 2nd offense if you will. The first offense is the learning experience as you call it and they are not held accountable.

I didn't read this 10 year old had run-ins with the cops before, I also didn't read that the parent instills respect for authority, if I were to guess at any part here, the parent is a POS and as far as the kid is concerned, the cop is a stranger in a costume.

While working at a day care, there was a girl with problems. I dont know what, but she had to be restrained for her own good as well as those around her often. I was kicked many times, but in the end we got her held down.
A kick to the nuts by a 10 year old is not worth a taser.
The girl has emotional problems, and the line of what she is actually accountable for is a bit blurred.
The parent is crap. There are battles you need to choose and calling the police if your kid doesnt want to take a shower is just stupid.

Funny afterthought...

I bet the bitch will shower now lol!

I feel wrong even saying that, and subsequently worse for laughing at it.

I dont know about you, but at the age of 10, I sure as hell knew what a police officer was. I didn't have a issues that put me into contact with them, but I knew what they were. I also still hold to children need to be held accountable to their actions. Parents should be enforcing rules on their children which in itself is holding the children accountable for their actions. Kids hit people when they are young, if this child has somehow gotten to the age of 10 without ever having been told its wrong to do that, then the child shouldn't still be in that home. I will agree that the mother shouldn't have called the police because her child wouldn't take a shower, but who knows what else may have been going on at the time when she made the decision.

I pose this question. If the officer had subdue the girl and in the process her arm was broken. Would that have been ok? Would you have preferred that result to using the tazer?

Ultimately however, none of us were there to judge the actions of the officer. We are all relying on a 3rd party interpretation of the incident. The only word of mouth from the individuals we have is the direct quotes without the context they were used in. We simply do not know what happened in that room and probably never will.

Gidan wrote:I pose this question. If the officer had subdue the girl and in the process her arm was broken. Would that have been ok? Would you have preferred that result to using the tazer?

I say again: He had no business getting involved. PERIOD.
She did not have a weapon. She was not posing a threat to herself or to her mother.
If she had, then the situation changes, and at that point a quick 1 second drive shot into her back I could see as appropriate (this is preferable to her stabbing herself, her mom, the officer, or suffering broken limbs... despite the fact that it would feel like someone just took a baseball bat to her back).

Her mother is a worthless piece of shit, and consider the fact that if the mom was brilliant enough to call the cops because her daughter wouldn't take a shower, exactly how much accountability, responsibility, and general knowledge do you think she actually ever taught her kid?
Maybe she shouldn't still be in that home, but seeing as how more than 90% of kids fall through the cracks of the system, it's really not that surprising that she is still there.

As it stands, the cop is an idiot who should have contacted the correct authorities who just might have taken care of the above issue instead of exercising his ego and lack of common sense.

Harrison wrote:I bet the bitch will shower now lol!

LMAO... I'm going to hell.

I really do hope there is a place where people are tormented for eternity for their wrongdoings here.

I really do.

Fuck Heaven, I'd rather not exist if it meant people could be tormented for ETERNITY.

Its easy to say he shouldn't have been involved when you dont have the whole story. Like I said before, all we have to go on is what some reporter has put together and packaged in the way they wanted the story to go. You could be 100% right, it could be that he had absolutely no business in there, then again it could be that he did have a justified cause and it just wasn't relayed well in the story. I am not arguing whether the cop should or should not have gotten involved, what I am arguing is that after he did get involved, he probably made the right decision to use the safest method of subduing a child which showed a willingness to use force.

As for the mother. Again we are going off the assumption the only reason she called the police is because her daughter refused to take a shower because that's what the reporter has told us. It is not as if we have full transcripts of the call placed to the police to make the decision off of, but only the word of a reporter who is reporting a story in the way they want to report it.

I dont know about you, but I put very little stock in what reporters say. They have 1 and only 1 goal, to be read. What draws people better then a scandal?

What draws people better then a scandal?

Free food

What's the average height and weight for a 10 year old girl? 5'5" 115lbs? I wonder how the police used to handle a rowdy 10 year old before the invention of the tazer?

It is a mystery.

I guess it comes down to using a tazer, or in Gidan's world... breaking limbs.

We're far too lenient with our police force, I don't care how bad of a mother this girls mom may be. The villain in this story is the dipshit bumpkin cop that finds criminal child abuse acceptable, and you idiots for saying "oh, no big deal".

We're far too lenient with our police force, I don't care how bad of a mother this girls mom may be. The villain in this story is the dipshit bumpkin cop that finds criminal child abuse acceptable, and you idiots for saying "oh, no big deal".

Well put friend. I think 5" 5 and 115 pound 10 year old might be pretty large.

Tuggan wrote:What's the average height and weight for a 10 year old girl? 5'5" 115lbs? I wonder how the police used to handle a rowdy 10 year old before the invention of the tazer?

It is a mystery.

I guess it comes down to using a tazer, or in Gidan's world... breaking limbs.

We're far too lenient with our police force, I don't care how bad of a mother this girls mom may be. The villain in this story is the dipshit bumpkin cop that finds criminal child abuse acceptable, and you idiots for saying "oh, no big deal".

I have never once said that subduing the child would have resulted in a broken limb. I am saying that it is a real possibility if the child is fighting hard enough. I guess my thoughts on using an option that poses no physical harm is a bad thing. You may prefer subduing a person through a show of force which could cause injury to a safer method, I do not.

I seriously think Gidan is correct 100% of the time.