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Tossica wrote:FACT

The only thing both of those things will do is raise profits for the oil companies. That oil will all be sold on the market.

Narrock wrote:

Tossica wrote:FACT

The only thing both of those things will do is raise profits for the oil companies. That oil will all be sold on the market.

Sorry, that's not a fact, especially since Romney isn't a "big oil guy." Secondly, Americans will hold Romney's feet to the fire if that's the end result.

Tossica wrote:

Narrock wrote:

Tossica wrote:FACT

The only thing both of those things will do is raise profits for the oil companies. That oil will all be sold on the market.

Sorry, that's not a fact, especially since Romney isn't a "big oil guy." Secondly, Americans will hold Romney's feet to the fire if that's the end result.

It's a fucking fact whether you agree with it or not. Unless the GOVERNMENT owns the pipe, the oil rigs, the distribution etc they don't set the price a barrel of oil sells at. The MARKET does. If China is willing to pay $110 a barrel for oil, that's how much the oil will sell for. Take it up with Exxon if you've got a problem with how much oil costs. Unless you're suggesting SOCIALIZING gasoline production?

Arlos wrote:Mindia, don't you remember the article I posted, showing the oil companies themselves saying that there's no way they will sell American oil in America, if they can make a larger profit on it by selling it elsewhere?

Also, did you know that NOT having the XL Pipeline actually DOES give us cheaper gas, at least in the Midwest, and putting in the pipeline will RAISE prices? The reason for this is simple: uRight now, because they have to ship the oil on trucks and the like, the cost of transporting the oil from the current pipeline terminus in the upper Midwest to oil refineries and ports in the south is prohibitive. As a result, they sell it to regional refineries and producers there in the Midwest at a discount rate, resulting in cheaper gas throughout the region. The ONLY major result of the pipeline will be to increase the oil company's profits, as they can now ship it out to the world market simply. And like the other oil this nation produces, they won't sell it here, if they can make a 1 cent a barrel greater profit by shipping it elsewhere.

Oh, and "Thousands of jobs", at least once it's built, is a gross exaggeration. Even the oil company pushing the pipeline admitted that. (look it up)

2) What happened to State's Rights? California repeatedly has voted against allowing exploration off our coasts. So you're saying the Federal government should be able to force California to do something the entire state has voted against multiple times?

3) You know that NONE of the money from the federal government is used for abortions, right? That money goes to cancer screenings, and all sorts of other aspects of health care for women. You cut off that money, and it WILL result in more women dying of cancer needlessly, not being able to get natal care, etc.

-Arlos

TransCanada Corp. (TRP)’s Keystone XL oil pipeline, a project backers including Republican Presidential candidate Rick Santorum say will create cheaper U.S. gasoline, instead risks raising prices as much as 20 cents a gallon in the Midwest, Great Plains and Rocky Mountains.

The purpose of the $7.6 billion Keystone is to move 830,000 barrels of oil a day from landlocked Alberta to the Texas Gulf Coast, obtaining new customers and a higher price for heavy Canadian crude, Canadian regulators said in a 2010 report. The oil sold for $23.38 less per barrel in 2011 compared with heavy grades of Mexican crude, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.

“The Canadian plan was to use their market power to raise prices in the United States (UNG) and get more money from consumers,” Philip Verleger, founder of Colorado-based energy consulting firm PK Verleger LLC, said in an interview. Prices may gain 10 to 20 cents in central states, he said.

Tikker wrote:

Narrock wrote:1. He will get the ball rolling on the Keystone XL Pipeline... You know, the oil pipeline proposed to come down from from our friends in Canada.......reducing our dependence on foreign oil.

you are the stupidest fuck in the history of history

Tikker wrote:

Narrock wrote:1. He will get the ball rolling on the Keystone XL Pipeline... You know, the oil pipeline proposed to come down from from our friends in Canada.......reducing our dependence on foreign oil.

you are the stupidest fuck in the history of history

Lyion wrote:

Tikker wrote:

Narrock wrote:1. He will get the ball rolling on the Keystone XL Pipeline... You know, the oil pipeline proposed to come down from from our friends in Canada.......reducing our dependence on foreign oil.

you are the stupidest fuck in the history of history

I read that and just rolled my eyes.. I figured someone else would catch it.

/tangent --The only thing that'll reduce our dependence on foreign oil, regardless of if it's Mexica, Canada, or OPEC, is a paradigm shift away from gas turbine engines. I'm amazed 100+ years later we still don't have a more efficient manner of individual transport yet. I want my personal nuclear powered hovercraft, please.