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DUDES what the SHIT: PEHV conversion for my car

Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 11:25 pm
by brinstar
i just found out that there are people out there who will convert my gorgeous blue 2007 escape hybrid to a plug-in hybrid for between $3k-$6k, and i had to share

you're wondering "hey idiot, is it worth spending that much?" well, perhaps not at first. gotta analyze current fuel consumption and driving habits to find out how long it would take for the conversion to pay for itself, but a) it's certainly possible and b) there are other obvious advantages

first, some background. my hybrid doesn't work the way my sister's works (or i think most hybrids, for that matter). hers uses a constant push and pull between gas and electric at all speeds, but mine (being a smallish SUV rather than a compact) only really gets to use electric power under about 30mph. this is great for in-town driving, because while other chumps sit at stoplights idling away dollar signs and spitting exhaust, my gas engine switches off and waits patiently for me to need it again. it also runs smooth and whisper-quiet on residential streets, and as long as i don't have to go up any hills i can nurse it up to about 35 before the gas motor kicks on and takes over. low-speed electric driving doesn't last forever either, because the limited battery capacity eventually peters out, at which point the gas motor kicks on to drive the wheels AND recharge the battery. that means even if i'm driving like a grandma, i still have to use gas intermittently to keep the small battery juiced up.

now, near as i can understand it, the conversion pretty much just 1) plops a big huge battery array (like 5kWh) in your trunk, 2) hooks it in to the system so the computer recognizes the increased capacity, and 3) removes the speed cap where the gas motor kicks on. a 6-8 hour overnight charge will put enough juice in the battery reserves to go somewhere between 25-35 miles before depletion, at which time the car reverts back to its original hybrid behaviour.


as for the cost, part of the justification requires an analysis of my current fuel expenditures and driving habits. according to the friend who told me about all this stuff, the average american spends about $3000 per year on fuel. given that a) i don't have kids to haul around, b) i live <5 miles from work, and c) i don't travel a lot, my consumption is a lot lower than that. my mileage app says that between dec 2012 and now, i'm spending an average of $110/mo, or roughly $1330/yr. however, based on my driving habits, ~30 free miles per day is completely bonkers. aside from a trip to omaha and back every ~6 weeks or so, i can't remember the last time i drove more than 30 miles in one day. it would be well within the realm of possibility to stretch a single tank of gas for several months, and extremely rough estimates suggest it wouldn't be outlandish to see an 80% reduction in consumption/cost. finally, to bring it back to the beginning, an 80% reduction from my current rate of $1330/yr is just over $1000 saved, which would pay for the conversion in 3-6 years, depending on initial cost and assuming my already-stellar driving habits do not change.

PLUS like i said there are other obvious benefits. i'd be extremely well-insulated from fluctuations in fuel prices, i'd keep even more money out of the greedy clutches of bloodthirsty oil barons, i'd all but erase my car's (future) carbon footprint, i'd significantly reduce wear and tear on my gas motor (though obviously electric motor use would increase, so maybe that's a wash), and thanks to nebraska's PUBLICLY-OWNED ELECTRIC UTILITY (hooray socialism!) electricity here is extremely cheap. AND, tee hee, the power outlet in my garage is connected to the main building grid and won't register on my apt's meter ;)

kind of expensive, but hitting 50mpg (maybe even higher) in a four-door SUV big enough to carry me and my drumkit as well as my bassist and his gear? definitely worth it. that shit is fuckin bonkers. i gotta start saving dough! wonder if there are tax breaks for people who get these conversions done...

Re: DUDES what the SHIT: PEHV conversion for my car

Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 7:14 am
by Harrison
Even my area is putting in charging stations. I've seen absolutely zero use out of them, though. I go by them daily on the way to work and no one is ever parked there utilizing the free charging stations.

I don't know why more people don't own electric cars.

Re: DUDES what the SHIT: PEHV conversion for my car

Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 7:30 am
by Menelvir
I'll give up my Hemi V-8 when they pry my cold, dead hands from the steering wheel and use the jaws of life to sever my foot from the loud pedal.

That said, I'd love to have an electric car as an option (especially for short commutes). Maybe when this one is paid off I'll look into them more seriously.

I don't spend exhorbitant amounts on other luxuries, so part of my gas expenditure I consider a 'pure fun' expenditure.

Re: DUDES what the SHIT: PEHV conversion for my car

Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 7:35 am
by leah
i just want to keep buying my same car over and over. i love it so very much. best purchase decision ever.

BEEP BEEP!
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Re: DUDES what the SHIT: PEHV conversion for my car

Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 7:46 am
by Ganzo
Plug in car is nice as long as you have charge stations. I've been driving Nissan Leaf for last 4 months (a company car) and the only place I found with a charging stations is my work and a hospital near by. Since I live 5 miles from work it's not an issue during weekdays, but on the weekend I use my own old-school gas car simply because I have nowhere to charge this electric plugin. I think Michigan will be the last state to offer charging stations because of automotive industry

Re: DUDES what the SHIT: PEHV conversion for my car

Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 7:51 am
by Tikker
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Re: DUDES what the SHIT: PEHV conversion for my car

Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 10:52 am
by Reynaldo
Interesting.

I've always wondered how much the cost of an electricity "fill up" is vs gas.

Like to go 300 miles, how much are you paying with either option.

Probably a calculator out there somewhere that i could have looked at instead of typing this!

Re: DUDES what the SHIT: PEHV conversion for my car

Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 11:49 am
by Ganzo
Reynaldo wrote:Interesting.

I've always wondered how much the cost of an electricity "fill up" is vs gas.

Like to go 300 miles, how much are you paying with either option.

Probably a calculator out there somewhere that i could have looked at instead of typing this!
I never tried plugging mine it at home, and it's free at work =)

Re: DUDES what the SHIT: PEHV conversion for my car

Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 2:43 pm
by vonkaar
In Oregon, they're everywhere and almost always occupied by an electric. Outside my office there are eight dual-pole stations and it's not too rare to see all 16 spots filled. Looking outside there's eleven hooked up right now.

Re: DUDES what the SHIT: PEHV conversion for my car

Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 4:16 pm
by brinstar
the sites i looked at say i don't need a special charging station installed for this conversion, just a regular ol' wall outlet

probz why it takes 6-8 hours to charge 4 kWh :dunno:

still super excited about this though

Re: DUDES what the SHIT: PEHV conversion for my car

Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 5:17 pm
by Jay
Brin you're planning to keep the car for much longer though? I imagine I would wait until I got a new car to do that conversion. I try and keep a car for 8-10 years. You're on year 7. I dunno that I'd invest that much unless I was for sure I'd keep the car for at least another 5-6 years.

Re: DUDES what the SHIT: PEHV conversion for my car

Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 5:53 pm
by Arlos
Tesla has a pretty brilliant plan for an additional option for getting a charge with one of their cars.




Rather than plug in, you simply roll up, sit on the spot for the automated swap system, and in about 90 seconds, it takes off your old battery pack, and installs a new fully charged one, and off you go. Last I heard the cost for that would be something like $50. They will still have the normal speed-charging stations too, so if you can wait an hour while you get lunch or something, you can charge your Tesla that way.

Seriously, if I were looking at getting a new car right now, a Tesla model S would be at or near the top of my list of options.

-Arlos

Re: DUDES what the SHIT: PEHV conversion for my car

Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 7:44 pm
by brinstar
Jay wrote:Brin you're planning to keep the car for much longer though? I imagine I would wait until I got a new car to do that conversion. I try and keep a car for 8-10 years. You're on year 7. I dunno that I'd invest that much unless I was for sure I'd keep the car for at least another 5-6 years.
nah dude i got it used in december 2011, so i haven't even had it 2 yrs

got it with a 5 year loan, though i overpay so i'm ahead of schedule

i love this car quite dearly and plan on driving it until it can't anymore :)

the day i bought it
the day i bought it
so prettyyyyyy

Re: DUDES what the SHIT: PEHV conversion for my car

Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2013 1:36 am
by Jay
brinstar wrote:
Jay wrote:Brin you're planning to keep the car for much longer though? I imagine I would wait until I got a new car to do that conversion. I try and keep a car for 8-10 years. You're on year 7. I dunno that I'd invest that much unless I was for sure I'd keep the car for at least another 5-6 years.
nah dude i got it used in december 2011, so i haven't even had it 2 yrs

got it with a 5 year loan, though i overpay so i'm ahead of schedule

i love this car quite dearly and plan on driving it until it can't anymore :)

escape day 1.jpg
so prettyyyyyy
Oh well then go for it!

Re: DUDES what the SHIT: PEHV conversion for my car

Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2013 1:39 am
by Jay
I was gonna say... that goal looked fancy but I'll be impressed when he does that during the last minute of a game to come from behind. Lets see what this kid can do in the playoffs.

Re: DUDES what the SHIT: PEHV conversion for my car

Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2013 6:54 am
by leah
Jay wrote:I was gonna say... that goal looked fancy but I'll be impressed when he does that during the last minute of a game to come from behind. Lets see what this kid can do in the playoffs.
WHAT haha

i got my car in march 2012 when i found out i got the new job 50 miles away... bought it with 88k miles and i'm at 130k now. SHEESH. (though that also includes 2-3 trips to colorado and a trip to northern texas, plus lots of trips to josh's hometown which is ~200 miles round trip)

Re: DUDES what the SHIT: PEHV conversion for my car

Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 4:58 am
by Jay
Hahaha I just saw this. That was meant for Arlos' thread on the Sharks kid that did the fancy trick goal. I must've hit back on my iPhone and ended back in this one.