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SUV owners get free gas

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 9:45 am
by Jimmy Durante
http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/inv ... 115791.asp

SUV owners get free gas -- courtesy of Uncle Sam

Owners of gas-guzzling SUVs and other heavy vehicles who use them entirely for business can get Uncle Sam to pay for four or more years of fuel costs -- in the form of tax breaks. It's hard to think of a worse formula for wrecking the country.

By Scott Burns

How would you like the U.S. government to send you a check that would pay for five years' worth of gasoline?

Well, it can be arranged.

Not everyone is eligible, of course. But if you use a vehicle 100% for business and purchase it, new or used, from a select list of big-time gas-guzzlers, Uncle Sam is ready to help you out.

Yes, I'm talking about the well-publicized special tax break for vehicles with a gross weight of at least 6,000 pounds. Gross weight is the weight of the vehicle including fuel, passengers and payload. Because of this, gross weight can be a good deal more than the empty weight of the vehicle.

Forty-one domestic and 15 foreign SUVs qualify for this tax break. The Porsche Cayenne, a notably business-like vehicle, is among them. As a consequence, while the depreciation write-off for any passenger car used for business is limited to only $2,960 in 2005, down from $10,610 in 2004, those claiming 100% business use of these SUVs could deduct 100% of the $89,665 price of the Porsche Cayenne Turbo during 2003 and until late October 2004. For those who bought in time, the write-off represented an immediate income tax savings of $31,383, provided the buyer was in the 35% tax bracket. Think of it as a bagatelle for the non-indigent from the Jobs and Growth Act of 2003.

One of the particularly compelling uses I've seen of this tax break was a bright parrot-green Hummer2 parked at a luxury marina in Burnt Store, Fla. A sign on the driver's door advertised a dress shop.

Tightened, not closed, loophole
Many readers will note (some with sorrow) that this tax break brought so much well-deserved excoriation to legislators that they closed it.

"Tightened" would be a better description.

If you failed to buy your Porsche Cayenne Turbo by last October, don't despair. Uncle Sam still wants to help. The American Jobs Creation Act of 2004 reduced the immediate deduction to $25,000. In addition, you can take normal depreciation on the remaining value. Normal depreciation is 20%. That would be about $13,000 for the Cayenne Turbo.

So your total tax deduction would be $38,000. For those in the 35% tax bracket, that calculates to an immediate tax savings of $13,300.

Can you say 'counterproductive'?
That, of course is mere money. Suppose we measure the benefit in something of global importance, like gasoline.

According to the U.S. Department of Energy's Fuel Economy Web site, the Cayenne Turbo gets 13 mpg in the city, 18 mpg on the highway. It has an estimated annual fuel cost of $2,241, assuming a premium fuel price of $2.24 a gallon.

Divide the immediate income-tax savings by the annual cost of gasoline and you get the answer: Uncle Sam will pay for 14 years of gasoline, if you bought under the Jobs and Growth Act of 2003, or 5.9 years, if you bought under the American Jobs Creation Act of 2004. The table below shows the approximate years of fuel Uncle Sam paid for business guzzler buyers under both sets of rules. This assumes a typical annual gasoline cost of $2,000 and a 35% tax bracket buyer. The lowest subsidy covers over four years of gasoline.

It suggests that we should have a spelling bee for legislators to determine how many can spell "counterproductive."

Tax savings for guzzler buyers reduce government revenue, increase the federal deficit, increase our trade deficit, and send yet more money to the Middle East. If we were going to devise a formula for wrecking the country, it would be difficult to improve on this one. We might as well call this portion of the American Jobs Creation Act of 2004 the Osama Bin Laden Support Fund.


The link above has a chart posted of vehicles eligible for said tax breaks.

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 10:05 am
by Arlos
I'd like to see the rightist wingnuts defend this one.

-Arlos

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 10:16 am
by Martrae
It's all a crock of shit. Our tax code is fucked up beyond belief. Fair Tax is the only way to go.

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 10:50 am
by Gidan
Thats just BS. We should be rewarding people for dricving fuel efficiant cars that the opposite. If you need to drive something that gets 10mpg then suck it up and shell out the $$ for it.

Sounds like something oil companies came out with to get companys to buy more of the gas guzzling monsters forcing them to buy more gas. Hey dont worry, you get that money back on yoru taxes. It doesn't hurt you at all.

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 10:58 am
by Jimmy Durante
Piss off. After reading this news item, I went out and put a Cayenne on order - - which I'll be writing off as a business expense for Jimmy's Airport Giftshop.

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 11:00 am
by Eziekial
Most of these laws have agricultural roots. Most of these types of benifits were geared toward family owned farms that used tractors/heavy pick-up trucks etc but have grown out of control and are used by non-farmers who are imaginative enough to take advantage of this "loop hole". Look up the bill and see who voted for it and posts those results before accusing any particular party, I would wager that this bill had support from both sides of the isle.

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 12:56 pm
by labbats
You're telling me the Porsche Cayenne weighs over 3 tons? Bullshit. Fuel, passengers and payload on that could not possibly add up.

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 12:59 pm
by Martrae
4800 without cargo or people.

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 1:01 pm
by labbats
!

I guess I should research things.

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 1:02 pm
by Diekan
Have you all lost sight of what's REALLY important here? I mean come... on Bush is gonna stop fags from getting married - isn't that what you bone head Bush supporters were thinking about when you selected "The Current Chimp 'N Chief" when you voted for the presidential seat?

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 1:06 pm
by Martrae
Nope, I could care less if gays get married.

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 1:07 pm
by Gidan
The Porsche Cayenne's actual weight is 5200lbs. If you include gas, passangers and payload, you will come in over the 6000lb mark easily. Have you seen one of those things. its 15.7ft long, 6.325ft wide and 5.58ft high and its a tank.

<img src="http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/03/cayenneturbo05_02_800.jpg" width=800 height=600>

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 1:08 pm
by labbats
I think gays should get married, but I also think that letting them adopt a kid is cruel. Could you imagine going to school with two gay dads? Think of the teasing. That's just mean.

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 1:09 pm
by Martrae
http://www.automotive.com/2005/12/porsc ... fications/

Guess it depends on which figure you're looking at. ;)

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 1:13 pm
by Narrock
The Porsche Cayenne, a notably business-like vehicle


Haha that is hysterical.

Hey, in all honesty... I'd go for it too if I could afford the payment on a Cayenne. :wink: :angel:

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 1:15 pm
by Gypsiyee
I'd rather have a gay dad than a sorry-ass mom poppin out me, 5 sisters and 5 brothers on food stamps too fuckin lazy to get a job claimin she's had it so hard in life but is too good for workin in fast food, but the government seems to support that 100%

Course, that's just a personal preference

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 1:17 pm
by Diekan
Gypsiyee wrote:I'd rather have a gay dad than a sorry-ass mom poppin out me, 5 sisters and 5 brothers on food stamps too fuckin lazy to get a job claimin she's had it so hard in life but is too good for workin in fast food, but the government seems to support that 100%

Course, that's just a personal preference


that can't happen silly - everyone knows boys can't have babies.

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 1:17 pm
by Gidan
Lets go with this source.

http://content3.us.porsche.com/prod/cay ... ifications

Curb weight - 5,192 lbs
Permissible gross weight - 6790 lbs

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 1:43 pm
by Eziekial
Anyone drive one?

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 2:01 pm
by Gidan
If I had the $$ to drive one of those. I would be driving something much different then that.

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 2:19 pm
by Darcler
Gidan drives an old woman car :lol:

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 3:13 pm
by Narrock
I like my '05 Corolla "S"

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 3:20 pm
by Ganzo
Hmm maybe i can write off my Toyota Tundra, thanks for info

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 3:26 pm
by Gypsiyee
Diekan wrote:
Gypsiyee wrote:I'd rather have a gay dad than a sorry-ass mom poppin out me, 5 sisters and 5 brothers on food stamps too fuckin lazy to get a job claimin she's had it so hard in life but is too good for workin in fast food, but the government seems to support that 100%

Course, that's just a personal preference


that can't happen silly - everyone knows boys can't have babies.


Was talking about Labbat's comment goof =b

I think gays should get married, but I also think that letting them adopt a kid is cruel

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 4:14 pm
by brinstar
in other news, murderers get tax breaks on bullets and abortion doctors get tax breaks on coat hangers

here's tom with the weather