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Oh shiz! another missing link fossil discovered!
Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 1:49 pm
by Tikker
Missing link between bird and dinosaur
The topic's been done to death, but hey, why not~
Here's some more macro evolution proof for you to ignore Lyion
Quick summary of the article:
Fossils found which show a transition from large carnivourous dinosaur, to smaller herbivore with feather type scales
NOTE: This alone is obviously not conclusive proof. it is part of a fragmented fossil record that indicates evolution. more evidence will come~
EDIT: Corrected spelling of missing, jeje
Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 2:04 pm
by Narrock
lol that article made my day.
Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 2:10 pm
by Gidan
No matter how much evidence you put forward, the people against evolution will never be convinced. They will just continue to say there is no evidence of it.
Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 2:26 pm
by xaoshaen
No matter how much evidence you put forward, the people for evolution will never be convinced. They will just continue to say there is no evidence against it.
Seriously, if you're going to be argumentative at least formulate an argument that can't be countered by reversing the terms.
Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 3:13 pm
by Treehorn
Until Jesus, Buddha, and all the rest of the Super Best Friends come down here, in person, and show me otherwise, I'll continue to assume that our current theories regarding evolution are, more or less, how things got to the point where they are today~
Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 5:10 am
by labbats
Evolution? Bwahaha, how foolish a notion. Next you'll be telling me someone landed on the moon!
Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 6:59 am
by Rust
Mindia wrote:all this proofs is that you Evilutionists have got is some fat dinosaur who had bad teeth Jesus sais that noa was real and my pastor said that the dinosaurs were just lizards that noa took on the ark and these ones are just still lizzards if there was evilution and birds came from dinozaurs wherre is the fossil that has a chicken head and a body of a tyrranosauer my pastor always laffs atr that in church when hes not makin signs about how Jesus hates fags and fun sutff so that articl made my day tro find out the Evilutionsits who are all commie Jesus-hating athiests and probably demcrates who want to let the UN take over AMERICAQ!!!1!1 DEAD BEFORE RED LOVE IT OR ELSE1!!!!1! ok so i have to go now and buy some morre panties for my GF cuz she keeps makin messes in them lol Jesus loves you all but I hope he sends you to he11 with the fags and abortionists k I LOVE GEROGE W ok not likt eh queers but like JEsus.
Rev D.
fixt
--R.
Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 8:13 am
by mappatazee
Treehorn wrote:Until Jesus, Buddha, and all the rest of the Super Best Friends come down here, in person, and show me otherwise, I'll continue to assume that our current theories regarding evolution are, more or less, how things got to the point where they are today~
Even if you thought you saw or met Jesus or Buddha, the data would overwhelmingly suggest that you had become delusional.
If Jesus appeared in a flash of light or I received a message from God, it would not make me believe in God. I would assume it to be an illusion.
Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 8:25 am
by Lyion
Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 8:38 am
by Tikker
Yes, it's always convenient to pretend to be learned, yet ignore evidence contrary to your particular stance on an issue
Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 8:39 am
by Diabolik
... but "look, you can't prove macroevolution, therefore we were created by a big bearded guy in the sky case closed" is sound logic?
Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 8:58 am
by Lyion
When did I ever say that, Diab?
I subscribe to Microevolution because facts support it and it is sound. I do not subscribe to macroevolution because what I have read has huge gaping holes.
I'd apply that argument to yourself, Tikk. I'll gladly look at facts, and I do. I do not *push* my views on others. Why are you determined to lump everyone into 'Mindiaesque' categories? It seems like you are determined to "fight" anyone who doesnt agree with your views, which is a shame.
Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 9:45 am
by Ganzo
I've never tried to prove to anyone that God exists, why do you guys have such burning need to prove that he doesn't.
Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 9:47 am
by Harrison
Somehow they feel they are better than those who believe in a God.
I think they're ignorant pricks.
Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 9:57 am
by Gidan
Why does proving that evolution happened have anything to do with the existance of god?
Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 9:59 am
by Martrae
I dunno, I believe both and sense no conflict.
Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 10:17 am
by Tikker
Lyion wrote:When did I ever say that, Diab?
I subscribe to Microevolution because facts support it and it is sound. I do not subscribe to macroevolution because what I have read has huge gaping holes.
I'd apply that argument to yourself, Tikk. I'll gladly look at facts, and I do. I do not *push* my views on others. Why are you determined to lump everyone into 'Mindiaesque' categories? It seems like you are determined to "fight" anyone who doesnt agree with your views, which is a shame.
You've stated multiple times, Lyion, that you don't believe in macro evolution, and support creationism
You state you'll gladly look at facts, yet since we've started this long winded dialogue there have been two seperate new transitional fossils found that you've immediatly dismissed as irrelevant.
You're being lumped in with Mindia because you're acting like Mindia.
Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 10:18 am
by Arlos
I see no difficulty in someone believing both in evolution and believing in God. None, even if you believe in Intelligent Design. How do you claim to know the mechanism by which humanity was created? How do you know that God didn't create the universe just so, knowing that eventually Earth would be formed, life would spring up, and after a few billion years, humanity would evolve. Still God-directed, still God-created, and you still end up with humanity. If you assume God is omniscient and omnipotent and everlasting, he could easily have created the universe with exactly the right conditions to have all that happen, and what's the wait of a few billion years when you exist forever?
Me, personally, I don't believe in the Judeo-Christian god, but that's just my own personal belief. I would never attempt to disprove his existance, because such a thing would be impossible. I can merely state "I don't believe him to exist", which holds just as much weight as Ganzo saying "I believe he exists." Both are statements of belief, and thus are completely outside the realm of Science. Evolution and Cosmology, however, are scientific disciplines, and as such are very different than discussions of faith and belief.
-Arlos
Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 10:18 am
by Rust
Martrae wrote:I dunno, I believe both and sense no conflict.
/agree
There are some nutbar atheists who scream Evolution disproves God, and there are a lot more nutbar religious types who scream God disproves Evolution. But show me a textbook or a paper on evolution in the real world that mentions God either way, and I'll be shocked.
--D.
Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 10:20 am
by Tikker
Gidan wrote:Why does proving that evolution happened have anything to do with the existance of god?
Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 10:24 am
by Rust
Tikker wrote:Lyion wrote:When did I ever say that, Diab?
I subscribe to Microevolution because facts support it and it is sound. I do not subscribe to macroevolution because what I have read has huge gaping holes.
I'd apply that argument to yourself, Tikk. I'll gladly look at facts, and I do. I do not *push* my views on others. Why are you determined to lump everyone into 'Mindiaesque' categories? It seems like you are determined to "fight" anyone who doesnt agree with your views, which is a shame.
You've stated multiple times, Lyion, that you don't believe in macro evolution, and support creationism
He also evidently doesn't believe in physics or chemistry, since he scoffs at radiodating.
You state you'll gladly look at facts, yet since we've started this long winded dialogue there have been two seperate new transitional fossils found that you've immediatly dismissed as irrelevant.
You're being lumped in with Mindia because you're acting like Mindia.
"A little knowledge is a dangerous thing." -- that's Lyion in my book. With Mindia, it's more like 'no knowledge makes you look really, really stupid'.
I mean, denying that there are scads of transitional fossils is just delusional. They're there, in the rocks, in museums. It's just when you find a new intermediate species, people like Lyion point out all you've done is create TWO NEW GAPS!!!! Mindia, on the other hand, doesn't even understand what he reads.
--R.
Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 10:26 am
by Ganzo
Tikker wrote:Gidan wrote:Why does proving that evolution happened have anything to do with the existance of god?
My question was not directed at arguments to prove or disprove evolution. I'm talking about :
... but "look, you can't prove macroevolution, therefore we were created by a big bearded guy in the sky case closed" is sound logic?
Even if you thought you saw or met Jesus or Buddha, the data would overwhelmingly suggest that you had become delusional.
If Jesus appeared in a flash of light or I received a message from God, it would not make me believe in God. I would assume it to be an illusion.
and ton of other posts of this kind that apear in every topic that mentions religion. I understand stabs at Mindisms, but this Me vs You thing on NT is geting old
Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 10:28 am
by Ganzo
Rust wrote:Tikker wrote:Lyion wrote:When did I ever say that, Diab?
I subscribe to Microevolution because facts support it and it is sound. I do not subscribe to macroevolution because what I have read has huge gaping holes.
I'd apply that argument to yourself, Tikk. I'll gladly look at facts, and I do. I do not *push* my views on others. Why are you determined to lump everyone into 'Mindiaesque' categories? It seems like you are determined to "fight" anyone who doesnt agree with your views, which is a shame.
You've stated multiple times, Lyion, that you don't believe in macro evolution, and support creationism
He also evidently doesn't believe in physics or chemistry, since he scoffs at radiodating.
You state you'll gladly look at facts, yet since we've started this long winded dialogue there have been two seperate new transitional fossils found that you've immediatly dismissed as irrelevant.
You're being lumped in with Mindia because you're acting like Mindia.
"A little knowledge is a dangerous thing." -- that's Lyion in my book. With Mindia, it's more like 'no knowledge makes you look really, really stupid'.
I mean, denying that there are scads of transitional fossils is just delusional. They're there, in the rocks, in museums. It's just when you find a new intermediate species, people like Lyion point out all you've done is create TWO NEW GAPS!!!! Mindia, on the other hand, doesn't even understand what he reads.
--R.
Rust we all already know that you think you know alot.
Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 10:32 am
by Gidan
Ganzo wrote:Tikker wrote:Gidan wrote:Why does proving that evolution happened have anything to do with the existance of god?
My question was not directed at arguments to prove or disprove evolution. I'm talking about :
... but "look, you can't prove macroevolution, therefore we were created by a big bearded guy in the sky case closed" is sound logic?
Even if you thought you saw or met Jesus or Buddha, the data would overwhelmingly suggest that you had become delusional.
If Jesus appeared in a flash of light or I received a message from God, it would not make me believe in God. I would assume it to be an illusion.
and ton of other posts of this kind that apear in every topic that mentions religion. I understand stabs at Mindisms, but this Me vs You thing on NT is geting old
My bad then, thought you were making a comment about the entire subject of the thread in general not just that section.
Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 10:56 am
by Narrock
Rust wrote:Tikker wrote:Lyion wrote:When did I ever say that, Diab?
I subscribe to Microevolution because facts support it and it is sound. I do not subscribe to macroevolution because what I have read has huge gaping holes.
I'd apply that argument to yourself, Tikk. I'll gladly look at facts, and I do. I do not *push* my views on others. Why are you determined to lump everyone into 'Mindiaesque' categories? It seems like you are determined to "fight" anyone who doesnt agree with your views, which is a shame.
You've stated multiple times, Lyion, that you don't believe in macro evolution, and support creationism
He also evidently doesn't believe in physics or chemistry, since he scoffs at radiodating.
You state you'll gladly look at facts, yet since we've started this long winded dialogue there have been two seperate new transitional fossils found that you've immediatly dismissed as irrelevant.
You're being lumped in with Mindia because you're acting like Mindia.
"A little knowledge is a dangerous thing." -- that's Lyion in my book. With Mindia, it's more like 'no knowledge makes you look really, really stupid'.
I mean, denying that there are scads of transitional fossils is just delusional. They're there, in the rocks, in museums. It's just when you find a new intermediate species, people like Lyion point out all you've done is create TWO NEW GAPS!!!! Mindia, on the other hand, doesn't even understand what he reads.
--R.
Oh, I understand it all right. I just don't buy into propaganda.
