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Plan on passing your house down to your children?
Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 10:16 am
by Tossica
Not if some rich bastard has his eye on your land for development...
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/23/scotu ... index.html
Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 10:25 am
by Narrock
Um, that's a good thing. You don't want some Dufus getting in the way of production just because his grandpappy built the house he's living in. They're getting fair market value for the property anyway, so just take the money, move and stfu.
Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 10:26 am
by Agrajag
Another reason big buisness is

Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 10:40 am
by Yamori
Supreme Court on Thursday ruled that local governments may seize people's homes and businesses -- even against their will -- for private economic development.
This is seriously absurd.
I can begrudgingly accept clearing houses for roads, but WHAT BUSINESS does the government have helping private projects - no less by forcing innocent people out of their property against their will?
And fair market value is BS. A person has the right to decide for themselves what they want to sell *their* property for. And don't forget that the government isn't reimbursing them for the cost of the move, the cost of finding a new house, and of finding a new job if you're far away enough.
Pure insanity.
Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 10:51 am
by Tikker
Mindia wrote:Um, that's a good thing. You don't want some Dufus getting in the way of production just because his grandpappy built the house he's living in. They're getting fair market value for the property anyway, so just take the money, move and stfu.
you've got to be kidding me Mindia
There's absolutely no way a government should be able to FORCE you to move, just so they can put up a mall, or an office tower, or whatever
Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 10:54 am
by shiraz
This is the part I don't get...but it is early and maybe I am confused...
Justice Sandra Day O'Connor, who has been a key swing vote on many cases before the court, issued a stinging dissent. She argued that cities should not have unlimited authority to uproot families, even if they are provided compensation, simply to accommodate wealthy developers.
The lower courts had been divided on the issue, with many allowing a taking only if it eliminates blight.
"Any property may now be taken for the benefit of another private party, but the fallout from this decision will not be random," O'Connor wrote. "The beneficiaries are likely to be those citizens with disproportionate influence and power in the political process, including large corporations and development firms."
She was joined in her opinion by Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist, as well as Justices Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas.
So Rehnquist, Scalia, and Thomas were against this decision....and the liberals and moderates voted in favor of it?

Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 10:56 am
by Narrock
Tikker wrote:Mindia wrote:Um, that's a good thing. You don't want some Dufus getting in the way of production just because his grandpappy built the house he's living in. They're getting fair market value for the property anyway, so just take the money, move and stfu.
you've got to be kidding me Mindia
There's absolutely no way a government should be able to FORCE you to move, just so they can put up a mall, or an office tower, or whatever
Look at the population explosion. Does it really make sense to halt production for sentimental value?
Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 11:01 am
by Lyion
Scalia is pretty consistent in his viewpoints and this goes against it. The liberals are pretty much for government doing what they want. Why does this surprise you, Shiraz?
Mindia, eminent domain should not be extended to 'private' concerns ever. I have no earthly idea how the SCOTUS managed to pass this, and it's hugely troubling. It's too easy to take advantage of.
Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 11:01 am
by Agrajag
Mindia wrote:Look at the population explosion. Does it really make sense to halt production for sentimental value?
Uh, yeah!
Maybe if you Christians would stop over populating the world to boost your ranks we wouldn't be in this situation!

Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 11:01 am
by Tikker
Mindia wrote:Tikker wrote:Mindia wrote:Um, that's a good thing. You don't want some Dufus getting in the way of production just because his grandpappy built the house he's living in. They're getting fair market value for the property anyway, so just take the money, move and stfu.
you've got to be kidding me Mindia
There's absolutely no way a government should be able to FORCE you to move, just so they can put up a mall, or an office tower, or whatever
Look at the population explosion. Does it really make sense to halt production for sentimental value?
what's it got to do with sentimental value?
You could build a brand new house, and 6 months later the government could come and say, "We decided this lot is the perfect spot for a mini-mall. Here's your cheque for the value we've appraised your house at. You have 1 month to move"
You have no legal recourse to stop them from bulldozing your brand new house
Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 11:06 am
by mappatazee
Outrageous
Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 11:16 am
by Narrock
Tikker wrote:Mindia wrote:Tikker wrote:Mindia wrote:Um, that's a good thing. You don't want some Dufus getting in the way of production just because his grandpappy built the house he's living in. They're getting fair market value for the property anyway, so just take the money, move and stfu.
you've got to be kidding me Mindia
There's absolutely no way a government should be able to FORCE you to move, just so they can put up a mall, or an office tower, or whatever
Look at the population explosion. Does it really make sense to halt production for sentimental value?
what's it got to do with sentimental value?
You could build a brand new house, and 6 months later the government could come and say, "We decided this lot is the perfect spot for a mini-mall. Here's your cheque for the value we've appraised your house at. You have 1 month to move"
You have no legal recourse to stop them from bulldozing your brand new house
Yes, it's actually not a new thing. I learned that in Real Estate school 7 years ago. It's called Eminent domain. Wikipedia has a good explanation of it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eminent_domain
Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 11:18 am
by Eziekial
Dude, where's my country?!
Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 11:21 am
by Tossica
Mindia wrote:Tikker wrote:Mindia wrote:Tikker wrote:Mindia wrote:Um, that's a good thing. You don't want some Dufus getting in the way of production just because his grandpappy built the house he's living in. They're getting fair market value for the property anyway, so just take the money, move and stfu.
you've got to be kidding me Mindia
There's absolutely no way a government should be able to FORCE you to move, just so they can put up a mall, or an office tower, or whatever
Look at the population explosion. Does it really make sense to halt production for sentimental value?
what's it got to do with sentimental value?
You could build a brand new house, and 6 months later the government could come and say, "We decided this lot is the perfect spot for a mini-mall. Here's your cheque for the value we've appraised your house at. You have 1 month to move"
You have no legal recourse to stop them from bulldozing your brand new house
Yes, it's actually not a new thing. I learned that in Real Estate school 5 years ago. It's called Eminent domain. Wikipedia has a good explanation of it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eminent_domain
EXCEPT This gives the government the ability to sieze PRIVATE property and hand it over to PRIVATE developers to do with it as they please. I can understand siezing property to build roads etc but giving a privately owned company authority to level a neighborhood so they can put in condos, Walmart, etc is fucking ridiculous.
Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 11:23 am
by Eziekial
It's like taking part of my salary that I worked for and giving it to someone else. How uncool it that!
Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 11:36 am
by Tossica
Eziekial wrote:It's like taking part of my salary that I worked for and giving it to someone else. How uncool it that!
Ahhhh... poor Ziek doesn't like paying his taxes. Boo fucking hoo.
Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 11:40 am
by Harrison
His point is it's the same thing, you stupid fuck.
Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 11:47 am
by Tossica
Harrison wrote:His point is it's the same thing, you stupid fuck.
It's a little more complicated than that, you stupid fuck.
Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 11:48 am
by Harrison
One is a cake with no icing on it, this one happens to have some icing, ohnoz.
Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 11:51 am
by Yamori
Taking a portion of someone's salary (which I'm against, but whatever) is in an entirely different league than taking someone's home and giving it to walmart.
Taxes are taken for government use --- eminent domain being used for private purposes is insane.
Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 11:53 am
by Tossica
What the fuck does Harrison care? He doesn't pay taxes OR own a home. He is just voicing his useless fucking opinion on yet another issue that has no bearing on him, as usual.
Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 11:56 am
by Ginzburgh
EXCEPT This gives the government the ability to sieze PRIVATE property and hand it over to PRIVATE developers to do with it as they please. I can understand siezing property to build roads etc but giving a privately owned company authority to level a neighborhood so they can put in condos, Walmart, etc is fucking ridiculous.
You're missing the entire point. The only thing the state cares about is how much tax dollars and employment opportunities are generated.
In this case, a Riverside hotel and shopping plaza will generate more tax revenue and more jobs than a residential neighborhood.
Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 12:18 pm
by numatu
The answer is clearly to filibuster whoever Bush nominates for the Supreme Court vacancy(ies) due to their extreme rudeness ten years ago when ordering a Whopper from a drive-thru trying to have it 'their way'.
We can't let this decision get overturned!
Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 12:24 pm
by Harrison
I don't pay taxes?
Shit, I wish I would have known that one. I want my money back.
Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 12:44 pm
by Jennay
Fuck this.. I'm moving to Canada or Switzerland, places more free than America really is. Who's coming with me?