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is a crock of horse shit. I just learned about it in church today. L. Ron Hubbard claimed to have collee degrees, but he bought his degrees from a diploma mill in Southern California, which got shut down. LOL owned. His son even wrote a book about how corrupt his father was and how he decieved millions of people. L. Ron Hubbard even stated on a couple of occiasions that, "in order to make millions of dollars, you need to start your own religion." I guess we see what his motivation was. What a fucking nut job. This piece of shit has deceived more people, and led more people astray, than Hitler did. He is a charlatan of epic proportions. His book "Dianetics" is nothing more than a collaboration of snipets of science, psychology, and other people's work plagiarized into one book of bullshit. I wish I knew where this asshole was buried (he died in 1986) so I can let my dog defacate on his grave and piss on his headstone. But then again, I probably shouldn't do that as a Christian... even to a corrupt maggot like L. Ron Hubbard.

so at church, you guys sit around and bash other churches?

Scientology is a farce. We don't go around bashing other religions. We just expose the truth and express our disdain and sadness at how some people can lead other people astray for the almighty dollar.

Strange. I was forced to go to church every Sunday morning til I was about 14, and never once did the priest ever say a bad word about another religion. Shouldnt you be talking about the Lord almighty, and learning some kind of lesson to relate to real life etc?


Perhaps the Catholics do have it right. Eh? WTF kinda religion wastes their sermon downtalking another religion?

Mindia wrote:L. Ron Hubbard even stated on a couple of occiasions that, "in order to make millions of dollars, you need to start your own religion."

He was wrong about this. You dont need to start a new religion. All you need is to get on tv and preach about Christianity and ask for donation. Hence, most if not all televangelists are wealthy.

Tuggan wrote:Strange. I was forced to go to church every Sunday morning til I was about 14, and never once did the priest ever say a bad word about another religion. Shouldnt you be talking about the Lord almighty, and learning some kind of lesson to relate to real life etc?


Perhaps the Catholics do have it right. Eh? WTF kinda religion wastes their sermon downtalking another religion?

This is how they grow closer to the Lord. They sit around an talk about how superior they are to everyone else, just like Jesus did.

Huh, you mean Jesus didn't do that? He was humble and didn't look down on anyone?

Tuggan wrote:Strange. I was forced to go to church every Sunday morning til I was about 14, and never once did the priest ever say a bad word about another religion. Shouldnt you be talking about the Lord almighty, and learning some kind of lesson to relate to real life etc?


Perhaps the Catholics do have it right. Eh? WTF kinda religion wastes their sermon downtalking another religion?

You just don't get it Tuggan. Lycos reported that since Tom Cruise announced his Scientology and how he corrupted his new wife into Scientology that the Scientology website had more "hits" than any other "...ology" on the web. People are stupid. They will look into Scientology as a viable option because a fistful of dumbass actors are into it. Christians need to talk about things like this rather than turn a blind eye to it. Enough people have been led astray as it is. I don't even know why I try explaining things to you... you have a knowledge deflector shield permanently attached to your skull.

Scientology and Khabala seem to attract alot of celebrities.

Phlegm wrote:Scientology and Khabala seem to attract alot of celebrities.

It's because they have so much money, and they're so bored with life... they need to find new and exciting ways to stimulate themselves and keep themselves entertained. It's totally ridiculous.

Know whats funnier? Your religion is a crock of shit too! :D

Tom Cruise isn't remarried yet.

Kizzy wrote:Tom Cruise isn't remarried yet.

I meant to say his fiance, Katie Holmes. You know what I meant.

Yamori wrote:Know whats funnier? Your religion is a crock of shit too! :D

Is that the best you can come up with? Shame on you Yamori. I thought you were more intelligent and creative than that.

First, on L Ron Hubbard. He was actually a semi-decent Science Fiction author back in the day, ie, the late 50s and on into the early/mid 60s, when Heinlein, Clarke & Asimov were setting the standard for everyone else to follow. Hubbard and Heinlein were friends apart from being authors. Hubbard wasn't great, and some of his stuff was pure schlock, but a few books weren't bad. (Ol' Doc Methuselah was alright, that's it that I've read of his, couldn't get into Battlefield Earth or whateverinhell his other series was)

Scientology actually grew out of a bet between Hubbard and Heinlein, as to which one of them coul dfound their own religion first and who coudl get the most followers. Hubbard won, though Heinlein did found one that still exists today. (The Church of All Worlds, which steals its philosophy from Stranger in a Strange Land. Truly awful book. Then again, ANYTHING with Lazarus Long in it sucks much ass.) Anyway, people who knew him thought that Hubbard regretted following through on the bet later on in life, as he lost control of his religion to the more fanatical element, and at a lot of his later public appearances, where he was trotted out as a figurehead, he kinda had this "HELP ME!" panicked look in his eyes.

I have actually found something I can agree with Mindia on: That Scientology is a complete steaming pile of utter horse shit. I wonder how many followers know that their entire "faith" is the result of a bet between two science fiction authors. rofl.

-Arlos

YOUR WRONG TOM CRUISE SAYS SO YOUR WRONG

How can you disagree with a face like that? Cruise is staring into your soul and he dosent like what he sees, bitches.

I've read Dianetics (sp). It was an entertaining read in that he puts forth some interesting ideas, but it seemed more along the lines of science fiction to me. Some of it might be plausible, some of it I laughed at. As far as turning into a religious belief, I suppose you could consider it as such in the same light as science being a religion.
Previous to reading it I had heard many charges against it made by various Christian religions. From reading it I think the basis for many of these charges lies not in the text its self but in peoples application of it and the results from it. It's really nothing more then some proposed psychological ideas, and attempt at proof of those ideas, and various mental execrcises that supposedly take advantage of the ideas. Hubbard may have been a quack, may not have been legitimate however I did find his ideas interesting even if I didn't eat it all up. Honestly I think many who make accusations against him lend him to much credit. No where did I really see strong evidence of many of the charges made, I think these critisizims came more from the actions/reactions of individuals who "practiced" the ideas and methods. If you read a book then decide you are a diety, the book may not be what is to blame, but rather you interpretation and personal bias toward it.

That being said one of the main ideas throughout is that you can basically cause your mind to relive incidents in your life that may not be in your consious memory and are blocked out to avoid pain be it physical or emotional. I can definetly see this causing people with strong imaginations to "relive" things that never really happened and come to believe them. If these imagined events were of a negative nature concerning someone that was close to them this could cause serious problems. The author claims to believe that you can cause your mind to play back incidents as far back as before you were born and that people had done this and found out thier mother had made attempts to abort them. If by suggestion and imagination a person believed this was happening and believed that of their mother when the reality was that no such thing had ever happened, you can imagine the "evil" most would see as a result.

Personally I think the man is guilty of crap psychology, but personal responsibility must be layed at the feet of those stupid enough to swallow it all as fact, and not question it. I believe many of the people who bought into it and "relived" horrible events were most likely imagining things that didn't really happen... and they were essentially duped. I guess where I place the true blame is at the feet of those who read it and took it as fact not really considering its validity. There might be something to it, but to believe it all as absolute fact to me shows ignorance.

Lueyen wrote:I've read Dianetics (sp). It was an entertaining read in that he puts forth some interesting ideas, but it seemed more along the lines of science fiction to me. Some of it might be plausible, some of it I laughed at. As far as turning into a religious belief, I suppose you could consider it as such in the same light as science being a religion.
Previous to reading it I had heard many charges against it made by various Christian religions. From reading it I think the basis for many of these charges lies not in the text its self but in peoples application of it and the results from it. It's really nothing more then some proposed psychological ideas, and attempt at proof of those ideas, and various mental execrcises that supposedly take advantage of the ideas. Hubbard may have been a quack, may not have been legitimate however I did find his ideas interesting even if I didn't eat it all up. Honestly I think many who make accusations against him lend him to much credit. No where did I really see strong evidence of many of the charges made, I think these critisizims came more from the actions/reactions of individuals who "practiced" the ideas and methods. If you read a book then decide you are a diety, the book may not be what is to blame, but rather you interpretation and personal bias toward it.

That being said one of the main ideas throughout is that you can basically cause your mind to relive incidents in your life that may not be in your consious memory and are blocked out to avoid pain be it physical or emotional. I can definetly see this causing people with strong imaginations to "relive" things that never really happened and come to believe them. If these imagined events were of a negative nature concerning someone that was close to them this could cause serious problems. The author claims to believe that you can cause your mind to play back incidents as far back as before you were born and that people had done this and found out thier mother had made attempts to abort them. If by suggestion and imagination a person believed this was happening and believed that of their mother when the reality was that no such thing had ever happened, you can imagine the "evil" most would see as a result.

Personally I think the man is guilty of crap psychology, but personal responsibility must be layed at the feet of those stupid enough to swallow it all as fact, and not question it. I believe many of the people who bought into it and "relived" horrible events were most likely imagining things that didn't really happen... and they were essentially duped. I guess where I place the true blame is at the feet of those who read it and took it as fact not really considering its validity. There might be something to it, but to believe it all as absolute fact to me shows ignorance.

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Lueyen, you always write so nicely.

lol

Oh no, Tom Cruise would say I'm wrong.

Tom liked to dress as a girl when he was younger:








Yeah, scientology is pretty much mad whack:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenu

Jeddasbard wrote:

Lueyen wrote:I've read Dianetics (sp). It was an entertaining read in that he puts forth some interesting ideas, but it seemed more along the lines of science fiction to me. Some of it might be plausible, some of it I laughed at. As far as turning into a religious belief, I suppose you could consider it as such in the same light as science being a religion.
Previous to reading it I had heard many charges against it made by various Christian religions. From reading it I think the basis for many of these charges lies not in the text its self but in peoples application of it and the results from it. It's really nothing more then some proposed psychological ideas, and attempt at proof of those ideas, and various mental execrcises that supposedly take advantage of the ideas. Hubbard may have been a quack, may not have been legitimate however I did find his ideas interesting even if I didn't eat it all up. Honestly I think many who make accusations against him lend him to much credit. No where did I really see strong evidence of many of the charges made, I think these critisizims came more from the actions/reactions of individuals who "practiced" the ideas and methods. If you read a book then decide you are a diety, the book may not be what is to blame, but rather you interpretation and personal bias toward it.

That being said one of the main ideas throughout is that you can basically cause your mind to relive incidents in your life that may not be in your consious memory and are blocked out to avoid pain be it physical or emotional. I can definetly see this causing people with strong imaginations to "relive" things that never really happened and come to believe them. If these imagined events were of a negative nature concerning someone that was close to them this could cause serious problems. The author claims to believe that you can cause your mind to play back incidents as far back as before you were born and that people had done this and found out thier mother had made attempts to abort them. If by suggestion and imagination a person believed this was happening and believed that of their mother when the reality was that no such thing had ever happened, you can imagine the "evil" most would see as a result.

Personally I think the man is guilty of crap psychology, but personal responsibility must be layed at the feet of those stupid enough to swallow it all as fact, and not question it. I believe many of the people who bought into it and "relived" horrible events were most likely imagining things that didn't really happen... and they were essentially duped. I guess where I place the true blame is at the feet of those who read it and took it as fact not really considering its validity. There might be something to it, but to believe it all as absolute fact to me shows ignorance.

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Actually you should post a picture of John Travolta. He's one level higher than Tom Cruise on the Scientologist scale. He's an OT7 or something 7, and Tom Cruise is an OT6. Oh, and to become even an OT3 costs about $100,000 of therapy and counseling sessions ridding your mind of destructive "ingrams."

Lueyen wrote:lol

Oh no, Tom Cruise would say I'm wrong.

I'm not talking about your content, although I agree with a lot of what you're saying, but... I'm talking about your ability to write with such feverish fluidity. You should write a book.

I read an article in a magazine about the church, their beliefs and organizations to "clear" people...this particular girl grew up in the church with all of her family members. They are not allowed to masturbate, it's against the religion. They tell the children in the organization that the "other children in the outside world are on mind-altering drugs" and they make them do hours of hard labor. She was allowed to marry at age 15 and when she became pregnant, had to escape because becoming pregnant at that time in her level, or whatever it is called, isn't allowed. They would have sent her away to have the child if she hadn't escaped.

Ultimately, her family ostricized themselves from her, they no longer talk to her, other than her father who divorced her mother because he was not into the religion.

The end of the article stated that she and her father were never allowed to know the true "beliefs" behind the church, that you learn those as you get higher up on the ladder, or, more "clear" and that they'd researched some things and found that one of their beliefs is that basically, aliens came to the earth years ago and fucked with everyone's minds.

Personally, I think it's an elitist club of morons.

You find out about XENU at OT3!

This is why they keep it secret, it's completely ridiculous http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenu