Obligation to rerun instances: thoughts

Skrum · Post by **Skrum** » Tue Dec 28, 2004 7:20 pm

How do you all feel on our obligations to rerun instances? This week I felt like I pissed off several people because I didn't want to go back to a few instances for the 6th or 7th time. What are your thoughts on this?

Tae-Bo · Post by **Tae-Bo** » Tue Dec 28, 2004 7:30 pm

if it was agreed upon when first joining the group then i would do it, but if it's just a spur of the moment thing then fuck em, people have other obligations

The Kizzy · Post by **The Kizzy** » Tue Dec 28, 2004 8:08 pm

WC I hate with a passion, so if I dont want to go back, I wont. It just depends I guess

Post by **DangerPaul** » Tue Dec 28, 2004 10:34 pm

I need to finish SM and start progression on the next, that means you sir !

Zanchief · Post by **Zanchief** » Wed Dec 29, 2004 3:24 am

No one is obligated to redo any instances.

But if you want to do it, it would help some people.

If you count me as one of the people you think was pissed about Maurodan, I wasnt.

Tacks · Post by **Tacks** » Wed Dec 29, 2004 5:58 am

I just wish people wouldn't be so self-serving. Do you know how many times a week I stop what I'm doing to help other people in the guild? Or just run a group through an instance? I've done SFK and WC more times than I can count and I hate WC with a passion.

We're all going to be 60 in a few months, if I never helped anyone, I'd be high 50's right now. What's it going to hurt to set aside ONE DAY to helping the lower people?

Finalzion Damanasponge · Wed Dec 29, 2004 6:00 am

hey I help whenever I can / am needed.

TalnHawk · Post by **TalnHawk** » Wed Dec 29, 2004 6:35 am

I really do not see the big deal. I am one of the lower lvl members and if I can't find a guild group going I do one of two things:

1. Find a pick-up group and pray it doesn't suck
2. Just skip doing the quests that need a group

I know I miss out on some gear and all, but I figure the gear I am going to find in WC will be replaced in a few levels by something better. Is there something I am missing by not doing the instanced quests?

Tikker · Post by **Tikker** » Wed Dec 29, 2004 7:17 am

fun

instanced dungeons are where 95% of the fun encounters are

the 1st time you kill arugal you'll know what I mean(if you're in a group of all 1st timers that is)

10sun · Post by **10sun** » Wed Dec 29, 2004 7:34 am

First time I went with a bunch of newbies, I got charmed, lost aggro when charm wore off as he was still chasing down my groupmates. I bandaged up, ate some food, went back into the fray and dropped him.

This was with two warriors and two rogues if memory serves. Our priest dropped out on us halfway through the instance and we were like fuck that, we are still going to finish this.

-Adam

vonkaar · Post by **vonkaar** » Wed Dec 29, 2004 7:46 am

Taxx wrote:I just wish people wouldn't be so self-serving. Do you know how many times a week I stop what I'm doing to help other people in the guild? Or just run a group through an instance? I've done SFK and WC more times than I can count and I hate WC with a passion.

We're all going to be 60 in a few months, if I never helped anyone, I'd be high 50's right now. What's it going to hurt to set aside ONE DAY to helping the lower people?

word

[smiley poster=yawn]In a nutshell...[/smiley]

I don't mind hearing, "I don't want go to."
or
"It's boring."
or
"I'm masturbating."

It simply rubbed me the wrong way when I was told that you didn't want to go because you were done with the zone - that you had no personal gain outside of XP. This was especially annoying when just the previous night, I (at lvl 40 (priest)) replaced a lvl 50 druid who couldn't keep a Maraudon group alive and joined an instance group that was 'above' what could benefit me. I helped you finish YOUR quests - and nothing was mentioned of my own personal gain. The next day, I was told that you weren't going back to Uldaman because you had 'finished' it. Way to look out for yourself.

Taxx and Zanchief are perfect contrasting examples. I would love to know how many times each of them have been through SM in both beta and retail. I promise that they've gone through at least 50 full instances that were both past the point of XP gain and material reward.

And for those that aren't guilded and want to bask in my amazing priestly abilities...

we killed the princess with this group:

49 warlock (skrum)
48 hunter (finalzion)
46 mage (ire)
47 shaman (celsham)
40 shadow-priest (vonkaar)

Celsham tanked, I healed. I'm a fucking God.

Langston · Post by **Langston** » Wed Dec 29, 2004 8:21 am

This exact question I think highlights the largest design flaw in WoW. By relying so heavily on quests for the exp grind, it naturally causes segregation of the "haves" and "have nots". Cliques naturally form inside of guilds as people gravitate into questing groups at the same stage... you get division and isolation which is dangerous to the health of a guild.

I don't know how to fix it - it's inherent in the design of the game. Maybe once everyone is 60 it won't be an issue since everyone will be pretty much capable of doing whatever... however, till that point there's going to be some hurt feelings along the road.

Now, my take on the question at hand is that NO one has an obligation outside of their own feelings of ownership and responsibility to friends and guildmates to rerun instances. I personally do NOT rerun instances for just anyone... my RL friends and those very close to me in-game is all I do it for. Just because you're a guildmate doesn't mean that I'm required to go kill a metric shitton of grey mobs and let you loot a bunch of gear for yourself.... while in return I get nothing other than some modicum of satisfaction in knowing that I spent an entire evening selflessly letting someone become more l33t in a video game. After once or twice that "glow" wears off and I'm back to "get together with others in the guild who haven't run it and go do it yourself'.

I'm starting to see more and more where people are expecting to be cribbed through content and upgrades so that they can be on an equal footing with those who have invested more time or started earlier in the game. Earn it... don't be a begger. Build a group of people who haven't experienced it yet... haven't done it yet... aren't so high of a level as to trivialize it yet... it's more fun, it more challenging, and above all YOU accomplish it for yourself.

Oh - and quit being whiney bitches if someone tells you "no".

Tikker · Post by **Tikker** » Wed Dec 29, 2004 8:43 am

The way I always looked at it was that if someone took the time and effort to run me thru an instance, I now have to repay that debt by running someone else thru the instance

Post by **DangerPaul** » Wed Dec 29, 2004 9:10 am

I just do whatever, because in all reality, I am a nice guy as long as I am not speaking to you.

Tacks · Post by **Tacks** » Wed Dec 29, 2004 9:12 am

You gonna play tonight?

vonkaar · Post by **vonkaar** » Wed Dec 29, 2004 9:21 am

I'm not talking about asking a lvl 60 to 'run me through WC', Ugz.

We are talking about a peer... in an XP-giving instance. There is no 'running me through an instance' here.

I went and spent an evening doing an instance that was 'too high' for me to get any reward, I got no loot... I finished no quests... but they finished their quests and finished their zone np. Now that I'm 'of level' to complete the Maraudon quests, should I even bother asking him to come help me kill the princess? Since I 'ran him through' it the first time?

You see what I'm saying?

Langston · Post by **Langston** » Wed Dec 29, 2004 9:22 am

Vonk - my post wasn't directed at you. The "you" in my post was a general statement.

vonkaar · Post by **vonkaar** » Wed Dec 29, 2004 9:24 am

YOU WERe TALkIN G TO EME!!

Tacks · Post by **Tacks** » Wed Dec 29, 2004 9:24 am

Vonk, since I went to sleep. Did you guys finish Uldaman last night? I'm sorry, I felt like shit (still don't feel very good at all)

vonkaar · Post by **vonkaar** » Wed Dec 29, 2004 9:28 am

No, we got him to 25% but the golems got us.

I think we would have beaten him if we planned it differently. We should have just had avec and I on the adds, and put Mogrim and the Mage on Arch for added dps. Dunno why they thought Avec needed help with adds =/. Mog can't kill arch by himself... not enough dps.

Post by **DangerPaul** » Wed Dec 29, 2004 10:54 am

Taxx, I will be on soon as WoW stops being ass and accepts a credit card for my account. We tried 3 of mine and 2 of Tim's before realizing Blizzard hates me. I am having issues with their site not allowing my login, so it calls my CC bad, I cannot post on forums or anything currently.

Skrum · Post by **Skrum** » Wed Dec 29, 2004 11:00 am

I never said I didn't want to go because I didn't get any reward. I said I was done with Ulduman because I was totally burnt out on the zone. I have been in there at least 9 times to finish everything up/wipe. I am going to officially declare my stance and say if the lower levels would like my assistance with an instance, I will go if you schedule ahead of time on these boards or in game. I have no problem redoing instances, just not right after I have ran it infinity times to finish my stuff and the others who started with me. Its ultimatly self defeating to go back to an instance every time one or two people hit the level range to go because that would keep us in the same zones forever.

Tikker · Post by **Tikker** » Wed Dec 29, 2004 11:04 am

news flash tho

you can't beat raid encounters with 1 group

it sux cock, but get used to helping stragglers lvl, and progress
a guild can't progress unless the super fast lvl'ers help out willingly

vonkaar · Post by **vonkaar** » Wed Dec 29, 2004 11:22 am

Your quasi-exact words were, "It [font=Times New Roman, serif]does not benefit me.[/font] My quests are done, why would I want to go?" You also said, 5 or 6 times... which was laughable, considering the 20 times I've taken people through SM. Aaaand, this was a couple nights ago, when the zone would still have been decent xp for you.

It all boils down to this: if I had not spent the PREVIOUS night 'wasting' my time helping ya'll in an instance that [font=Times New Roman, serif]does not benefit me[/font], being turned down for help might have not upset me so.

And while Tikker is right, I'm hardly a straggler... I may not play 10 hours a day, but the few that I *do* play are quality hours. I'm all skill baby.

10sun · Post by **10sun** » Wed Dec 29, 2004 11:55 am

vonkaar wrote:I'm all tradeskills baby.

Fixed.