Tossica wrote:Monks were not ALWAYS a part of D&D. They were added many years later.
1974 - "Dungeons & Dragons"
The most memorable published result of the Arneson-Gygax hobby crossover appeared at GenCon, 1974, in a thousand-copy print run, as Dungeons & Dragons, 1974, by Gary Gygax and Dave Arneson. It consisted of three roughly digest-sized brown pamphlets in a deepish brown box with white labels in a thousand-copy print run, as Dungeons & Dragons
The Sixth printing (OCE: 1977-1979), in a white box showing a wizard and some orcs, was labeled "Original Collector’s Edition" to differentiate it from the D&D Basic Set, which had just been released.
The "Basic Set" was reportedly "Developed chiefly because of disagreements with Gary Gygax over the direction D&D should take; Gygax favored a far more structured and complicated system (AD&D)."
The Expert set was released in 1981 as the obvious sequel to the D&D Basic Set, which left characters hanging at level 3. For characters levels 4 - 14. The Basic and Expert sets are sometimes referred to as "red-box" and "blue-box" D&D.
The AD&D books were first published between 1977 and 1979.
(Note that is was not named "1st Edition" until after the 2nd Edition came out in the late 1980s.)
AD&D had multiple printings; after the 10th printing, the books got new covers. The Players Handbook 2nd cover (10th printing) is shown at right (Hardback 1987; TSR2010)
Now, neither of you were playing in 1974, AD&D is fucking D&D as its THE packaging of the product from its creator, the ADVANCED was to differentiate it from BASIC, and the monk class was in before Basic D&D went past level 3, and monks were incorproated into the game in 1977, soon after the game was released.
He might've played BASIC D&D, compared to the ADVANCED D&D set, but both were fucking D&D.
Christ, it's like arguing a plymouth isn't a plymouth because it has SE on the end of it's name.
Mindia!!!! Too bad he is back...
