House Panel Seeks to Keep Schiavo Alive

[Arlos]

It's not a transcript, but here: http://mediamatters.org/items/200503250006

-Arlos

[Lyion]

Media Matters. There's a nice, fair site.

Just like I said, Arlos. Pot, Kettle.

[Arlos]

Lyion, I have no clue what that site is or what it stands for. I did a google search on "Fox news john edward" to find a link for Martrae, and that's the first site in the list that mentions the fox news interview, as regards to Terry Schiavo. The first 2 links go to Fox News itself, but the brief description is about some book he wrote. The 3rd link, mediamatters, is the first one to mention Schiavo in the brief description. I've never even heard of the site before. Go ahead, check the google yourself, if you don't believe me. So what IS that site anyway, oh maven of impartiality?

Don't be so quick to point fingers when it's completely and totally unwarranted. Jumping to conclusions like that just makes you look like a judgemental idiot.

-Arlos

[exploit]

maybe they could hook her up to that matrix thing

[Narrock]

Yes, I believe the nurse. I have no reason not to. She has no logical perceivable explanation of an ulterior motive.

Maybe she's a nutbar Jesus-freak like you? Certainly the judge found her to be basically a total liar. She's also the one who claims the husband said things like 'is the bitch dead yet', and that Terri spoke all the time.

She probably planted the insulin vial herself, and made up the stories about the whole incident.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200503230001

CNN, Fox featured ex-Schiavo nurse whose affidavit was dismissed as "incredible" by judge

On March 22, both CNN's Live From... and Fox News' Fox and Friends aired interviews with Carla Sauer Iyer -- a former nurse for Terri Schiavo who in 2003 submitted an affidavit with inflammatory accusations against Terri's husband, Michael Schiavo -- but failed to report questions about Iyer's credibility. Judge George W. Greer, the Florida circuit judge who has presided over several aspects of the Schiavo case, dismissed Iyer's allegations as "incredible" and noted in a September 17, 2003, order that not even Terri Schiavo's parents sought her testimony in the case.

In both appearances, Iyer was presented as a former nurse for Terri Schiavo. Fox introduced her as a "registered nurse in Florida" who "cared for Terri for more than a year between '95 and 1996." In addition, on-screen text described Iyer as "Carla Sauer Iyer; Cared for Terri Schiavo." On CNN, Iyer was introduced as a "nurse who says that she cared for Terri Schiavo [for] more than a year in the mid-1990s." As with Fox, CNN's on-screen text described Iyer as "Terri Schiavo's former nurse." Another on-screen text line presented on CNN stated that Iyer "testified about Terri Schiavo's physical state." However, according to Greer's September 2003 order, Schiavo's parents had not subpoenaed Iyer to testify.

In both a 2003 court affidavit (posted on the website operated by Terri's parents, Robert and Mary Schindler) and her March 22 cable appearances, Iyer maintained that Terri Schiavo was constantly "alert and oriented" while under her care, "saying such things as 'mommy,' and 'help me.' " She claimed that "Throughout my time at Palm Gardens, Michael Schiavo was focused on Terri's death. Michael would say 'When is she going to die?' 'Has she died yet?' and 'When is that bitch gonna die?' " The affidavit also included her claims that Michael Schiavo expressed the desire to "accelerate" Terri's death, that when Terri was sick and looked as if she might die, "He [Michael] would blurt out 'I'm going to be rich,' " and the assertion that "[i]t is my belief that Michael injected Terri with Regular insulin" to intentionally make her sick. She claimed in her affidavit that "I ultimately called the police relative to this situation, and was terminated the next day."

Greer dismissed Iyer's charges, noting that they -- along with a similar affidavit given by Heidi Law, another nurse who formerly took care of Terri Schiavo -- were "incredible to say the least" and that "[n]either in the testimony nor in the medical records is there support for these affidavits as they purport to detail activities and responses of Terri Schiavo." From Greer's decision:

The remaining affidavits deal exclusively with events which allegedly occurred in the 1995-1997 time frame. The court feels constrained to discuss them. They are incredible to say the least. Ms. Iyer details what amounts to a 15-month cover-up which would include the staff of Palm Garden of Lago Convalescent Center, the Guardian of the Person, the Guardian ad Litem, the medical professionals, the police and, believe it or not, Mr. and Mrs. Schindler. Her affidavit clearly states that she would "call them (Mr. and Mrs. Schindler) anyway because I thought they should know about their daughter." The affidavit of Ms. Law speaks of Terri responding on a constant basis. Neither in the testimony nor in the medical records is there support for these affidavits as they purport to detail activities and responses of Terri Schiavo. It is impossible to believe that Mr. and Mrs. Schindler would not have subpoenaed Ms. Iyer for the January 2000 evidentiary hearing had she contacted them as her affidavit alleges.

You've made it abundantly clear on this board that you're not a very bright person, Mindia. This is just another example of you not being able to think critically, and just parroting what you've been told - you gladly repeat obvious lies because they agree with your worldview. Likewise your ignorance of and lies about evolution, and so on.

It's okay, you're just an example of 'a mind is a terrible thing to waste'. Maybe some day you'll snap out of it, but I sure won't hold my breath. Maybe it was the drugs, maybe you're just weak-minded from birth, maybe it's the serially-apocalyptic whacko cult you got suckered into while looking for something. I don't know, and pretty much don't care, really. But I'll happily point out the results.

--R.

You're the one quoting a "news" source, not me. I was commenting on several talk shows I've been listening to over the past couple of weeks who are all discussing the Schiavo case on different radio stations. Funny how everybody knows Michael Schiavo is a POS except you and a handful of sheep on the NT.

You have the IQ of a fencepost, so I wouldn't go around making comments about other people's mentality level if I were you.

[Insanityfair]

I never said the guy wasn't a jackass. But I am asking that someone post a link that says yes he gave her shots, it was him...you do have solid proof of that right? Like Mart said, there is police reports etc. filed on this that says yes! He did it! Right? And of course for this so called murder attempt that was proven he did at least go to court and will serve jail time, no? I'm asking for proof. Don't just say you heard this on talk shows. It's proving absolutely nothing.

[Rust]

I don't know what other planet Mindia is on where I have a low IQ, 'everyone knows' Michael Schiavo is 'a POS', and the theory of evolution is 'disproved', but I'm glad I live on Earth. At least he seems to have good network bandwidth from Xordax Prime. What color is the sky there, I wonder?

On Earth, something like 2/3 of the American people think he's doing the right thing. It's a small and virulently hate-filled minority that are trying to force their beliefs on Terri to keep her alive, and the majority of the population think he's right to do what he did.

--R.

[mofish]

Why all the fuss. God can raise her from the dead. He's God. Just let her die, then sneak to her grave one night and dig her up. Im sure God will come through for you.

[Martrae]

Wow...hard to believe it's the same person.

[Insanityfair]

Holy cr@p

[kaharthemad]

Now we can water her like the rest of the vegetables.

[Donnel]

Is there any DiHydrogen Monoxide in there?

[Gypsiyee]

yeah Mart, that's what I was saying earlier.. she was a positively beautiful woman, but with all the media coverage she will be remembered in the image of her sickness, and it's despicable, imo.

[Martrae]

Best quote I've seen yet.

Scott Schiavo said the Schindlers made an international spectacle of what should have been a private family matter.

"Mike never wanted to put Terri out there like a clown in a circus," he said. "Her parents have desecrated her memory and any type of dignity."

[Martrae]

BTW...she is on a morphine drip for pain. Her father was making insinuations today that the hospice would increase her dosage to speed her along.

How many more wacked out theories and conspiracies is he going to come up with?

[Donnel]

What pain? She has no pain receptors. O.o

[Rust]

Anyone seen any evidence to support a statement I saw that her parents 'encouraged' the husband to date other women prior to their falling out?

This SPTimes article says:

Schiavo was there for more than 130 doctor visits, through Terri's urinary tract infections, for the amputation of her left little toe, the removal of her gall bladder. He had been, a state judge noted, her most regular visitor.

Terri's parents, Robert and Mary Schindler, agreed he was a devoted husband and encouraged him to date other women, according to court records and relatives.

"It was only a couple of weeks before Bob Schindler was saying Mike needed to get on with his life," said Schiavo's brother, Scott. "That was the farthest thing from Mike's mind."

But as months turned into years, Schiavo lost hope.

He decided to date about three years after Terri collapsed, Schiavo's lawyer said during the 2000 trial.

"It took Michael a long time to consider the prospect of getting on with his life - something he was actively encouraged to do by the Schindlers, long before enmity tore them apart," Jay Wolfson, a former guardian of Terri, wrote in a 2003 report to Gov. Jeb Bush.

"He was even encouraged by the Schindlers to date, and introduced his in-law family to women he was dating," Wolfson wrote.

If this is true, it sort of dents the 'oh he's scum for seeing other women' attacks by his critics, doesn't it now. Seems he's gone to see her more often than her parents. Sounds like a pretty devoted husband to me.

--R.

[Martrae]

What pain? She has no pain receptors. O.o

It's more than likely there to quell any anxiety in relatives.

[Rust]

And the husband's lawyer just went on CNN (live now) to point out that the husband has requested the Pinellas county Medical Examiner to conduct an autopsy when she dies, prior to cremation.

I guess maybe we'll see about these claims of abuse after all. So much for a coverup.

--R.

[Rust]

BTW...she is on a morphine drip for pain. Her father was making insinuations today that the hospice would increase her dosage to speed her along.

How many more wacked out theories and conspiracies is he going to come up with?

Felos (lawyer) just stated live on CNN that there has been *no* morphine drip. He said she has had two morphine suppositories (5 mg) in the last 11 days, that is all.

A dose of 5 mg of morphine, twice in 11 days, isn't exactly overdose territory. But it hasn't stopped people starting rumors, has it.

--R.

[Martrae]

Schindler said he feared the consequences of the morphine drip given to his daughter to relieve any pain. "I have a great concern that they will expedite the process to kill her with an overdose of morphine because that's the procedure that happens," he said.

Hospice spokesman Mike Bell said federal rules kept him from discussing Schiavo specifically, but "a fundamental part of hospice is that we would do nothing to either hasten or postpone natural death."

Comfort measures, including morphine drips, are taken in consultation with a patient's guardian, physician and hospice care team, Bell said.

There's her dad talking about it. So either the lawyer is wrong or the dad is.

[Rust]

Schindler said he feared the consequences of the morphine drip given to his daughter to relieve any pain. "I have a great concern that they will expedite the process to kill her with an overdose of morphine because that's the procedure that happens," he said.

Hospice spokesman Mike Bell said federal rules kept him from discussing Schiavo specifically, but "a fundamental part of hospice is that we would do nothing to either hasten or postpone natural death."

Comfort measures, including morphine drips, are taken in consultation with a patient's guardian, physician and hospice care team, Bell said.

There's her dad talking about it. So either the lawyer is wrong or the dad is.

Or the person writing the article assumed there was a morphine drip, since the father didn't mention it.

--R.

[Martrae]

Schindler said he feared the consequences of the morphine drip given to his daughter to relieve any pain. "I have a great concern that they will expedite the process to kill her with an overdose of morphine because that's the procedure that happens," he said.

Hospice spokesman Mike Bell said federal rules kept him from discussing Schiavo specifically, but "a fundamental part of hospice is that we would do nothing to either hasten or postpone natural death."

Comfort measures, including morphine drips, are taken in consultation with a patient's guardian, physician and hospice care team, Bell said.

Bit where her dad specifically states she has one bolded. "The morphine drip". Not any...the.

[Narrock]

I don't know what other planet Mindia is on where I have a low IQ, 'everyone knows' Michael Schiavo is 'a POS', and the theory of evolution is 'disproved', but I'm glad I live on Earth. At least he seems to have good network bandwidth from Xordax Prime. What color is the sky there, I wonder?

On Earth, something like 2/3 of the American people think he's doing the right thing. It's a small and virulently hate-filled minority that are trying to force their beliefs on Terri to keep her alive, and the majority of the population think he's right to do what he did.

--R.

Since Rust doesn't know any way to behave other than a 10 year old who always has to have the last word this is my last post to Rust in this forum. You don't think those polls were biased Rust? I know you do, so stop acting so stupid about it. The sooner you ween yourself from the liberal cack, and start thinking for yourself, the better off you will be.

[Arlos]

Mindia, the FOX NEWS poll (You remember them, the "paragons of journalistic integrity and everything they do is the Absolute Truth as proclaimed by god and his angels" or whatever it was you said about them) was running 2-1 in favor of the husband. You going to claim that the *FOX* poll had a liberal bias? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

-Arlos