After death

[Narrock]

So after a thread of flaming, arrogance, condescension, blatant lies, and more hubris than imaginable you lecture someone else about not wanting to act Christian?

Wow, maybe Hitler can pop out of the grave and start bitching about people's lack of compassion to others, too.

People on the NT who don't want to act Christian do so totally of their own accord. .

Hey, everyone has already established that's you!

So explain to us why you act so completely unchristian here? Is it ok to be completely UnChristlike in your witnessing here and actually alienating people from religion? Why would you hurt your cause deliberately? If you are pushing people away from Christ, which it is obvious you are, would that not anger God? I'd talk to your spiritual advisors about this, chief!

I await your bizarre otherworldly answer!

Lyion, honestly I don't know what you're talking about. You are yapping on about something that isn't even true. I am not unChristian here. In fact, I act more "Christian" than anybody else here including yourself. But let's put that on the shelf for a moment...

Why don't you ask yourself what my motivation is. Why don't you ask yourself what my goals are when posting here. Do you really not see my intentions? Are you really that blind, or are you just playing dumb? Why would I be so passionate about my faith after so much study (and continuous study) of scripture and Christian denominations?

You have gone off on irrelevant tangents, and are stuck in neverland. Take a moment to reflect on these questions.

[Arlos]

WOOT, he went for option #2! The personal insult! Did I call it or did I call it?

So, Mindia, which part of my post is untrue, or propaganda? Please, I want to know. I posted a list of facts about the Codex, which you are absolutely free to fact check yourself, and if I'm wrong about any of it, I'll retract that portion of my statement. Also, I posted a very simple argument based on those facts, which you didn't even bother to read, apparently. Was I making up the fact that Ganzo wanted your answers to the questions I was asking? Was that propaganda as well? You still haven't answered them, of course...

Obviously he just can't deal with being called on his idiocy, *shrug*. I hate to use the term, but given that Mindia has either not responded, completely ignored the question, and descended to personal insults when he couldn't answer, I think he is most assuredly yet again. Not that it's hard, as we all know. I think the only one who doesn't realize how thoroughly he has been owned, and not just this time, but over and over and over, is Mindia himself. Ah well, maybe someday he'll see the light.

I find it so hysterical his responses to any questions of religion that differ in any way from his own bizzaro-world mindset. It's just a clear sign of how fundamentally unsure and/or un-knowledgeable he is about his faith. After all, if he knew WTF he was talking about, he could, you know, actually use logic, reason, and knowledge to counter my arguments, and perhaps even provide counter-evidence or examples. Gee, what a strange concept, actually arguing on the basis of facts, logic and evidence. Too bad Mindia's the only one who fails to grasp that concept. So, instead he resorts to calling me a poopy-pants, or some similar juvenile insult, and in all other ways acts like a 5 year old having a temper tantrum.

-Arlos

[Narrock]

WOOT, he went for option #2! The personal insult! Did I call it or did I call it?

So, Mindia, which part of my post is untrue, or propaganda? Please, I want to know. I posted a list of facts about the Codex, which you are absolutely free to fact check yourself, and if I'm wrong about any of it, I'll retract that portion of my statement. Also, I posted a very simple argument based on those facts, which you didn't even bother to read, apparently. Was I making up the fact that Ganzo wanted your answers to the questions I was asking? Was that propaganda as well? You still haven't answered them, of course...

Obviously he just can't deal with being called on his idiocy, *shrug*. I hate to use the term, but given that Mindia has either not responded, completely ignored the question, and descended to personal insults when he couldn't answer, I think he is most assuredly yet again. Not that it's hard, as we all know. I think the only one who doesn't realize how thoroughly he has been owned, and not just this time, but over and over and over, is Mindia himself. Ah well, maybe someday he'll see the light.

I find it so hysterical his responses to any questions of religion that differ in any way from his own bizzaro-world mindset. It's just a clear sign of how fundamentally unsure and/or un-knowledgeable he is about his faith. After all, if he knew WTF he was talking about, he could, you know, actually use logic, reason, and knowledge to counter my arguments, and perhaps even provide counter-evidence or examples. Gee, what a strange concept, actually arguing on the basis of facts, logic and evidence. Too bad Mindia's the only one who fails to grasp that concept. So, instead he resorts to calling me a poopy-pants, or some similar juvenile insult, and in all other ways acts like a 5 year old having a temper tantrum.

-Arlos

Read the article I posted. Reading comprehension is your friend. Oh and isn't self-posting of the "owned" emoticon a bannable offense?

I don't care about your propaganda, lies, and deceit. Go away.

[Arlos]

I read the article you posted. It had absolutely nothing whatsoever to say about either the Codex Sinaiticus or the Codex Vaticanus. It even makes 2 patently false claims, refuted by the 2 Codexes themselves:

1:

They were known by the Jews in Old Testament times and the Christians of the New Testament times and were never considered scripture. They weren't lost nor were they removed. They were never in the Bible in the first place.

Now, are you attempting to claim that neither the Codex Sinaiticus nor the Codex Vaticanus are actual Bibles? I think you'd have trouble finding ANYONE who would support that assertion. Therefore, this claim above is false, as it is manifestly obvious that these books WERE in the Bible in the 300s AD, since we have bibles that have them! Clear contradiction, yes?

and 2:

In 1546, largely due in response to the Reformation, the Roman Catholic church authorized several more books as scripture known as the apocrypha.

Now, are you attempting to claim that these 2 Codexes were not actually written until after 1546? Again, I think you'd have trouble finding ANYONE who would support that assertion. These books were ALREADY in the bible prior to 1546, and thus their inclusion is utterly unrelated to the Reformation, as they predate it by oh, what, 1200 years?

So, I ask you once again:

1) Where have I lied. Show me where. Specifically. Where have I uttered a single untruth whatsoever.
2) What propaganda? Show me where. Specifically. All I have done is state verifiable, incontrovertable facts you could check yourself, and make a simple, logical deductive argument based on those facts.
3) What deceit? How do you differentiate this from lying? Again, show me where, specifically.

As for self-posting owned, not necessarily. Even leaving out my commentary in here, you've been owned by Lyion, by Martrae, among many others. Not to mention, you ignored Ganzo's request to answer the questions I asked you. As I've shown above, that snippet of an article you posted doesn't do so. Try again. Or wait, don't, none of us gives a damn what you have to say any more, you had your chance.

-Arlos

[Narrock]

I read the article you posted. It had absolutely nothing whatsoever to say about either the Codex Sinaiticus or the Codex Vaticanus. It even makes 2 patently false claims, refuted by the 2 Codexes themselves:

1:

They were known by the Jews in Old Testament times and the Christians of the New Testament times and were never considered scripture. They weren't lost nor were they removed. They were never in the Bible in the first place.

Now, are you attempting to claim that neither the Codex Sinaiticus nor the Codex Vaticanus are actual Bibles? I think you'd have trouble finding ANYONE who would support that assertion. Therefore, this claim above is false, as it is manifestly obvious that these books WERE in the Bible in the 300s AD, since we have bibles that have them! Clear contradiction, yes?

and 2:

In 1546, largely due in response to the Reformation, the Roman Catholic church authorized several more books as scripture known as the apocrypha.

Now, are you attempting to claim that these 2 Codexes were not actually written until after 1546? Again, I think you'd have trouble finding ANYONE who would support that assertion. These books were ALREADY in the bible prior to 1546, and thus their inclusion is utterly unrelated to the Reformation, as they predate it by oh, what, 1200 years?

So, I ask you once again:

1) Where have I lied. Show me where. Specifically. Where have I uttered a single untruth whatsoever.
2) What propaganda? Show me where. Specifically. All I have done is state verifiable, incontrovertable facts you could check yourself, and make a simple, logical deductive argument based on those facts.
3) What deceit? How do you differentiate this from lying? Again, show me where, specifically.

As for self-posting owned, not necessarily. Even leaving out my commentary in here, you've been owned by Lyion, by Martrae, among many others. Not to mention, you ignored Ganzo's request to answer the questions I asked you. As I've shown above, that snippet of an article you posted doesn't do so. Try again. Or wait, don't, none of us gives a damn what you have to say any more, you had your chance.

-Arlos

Holy Moly! Are you really that dense? I said I'm not interested in your propaganda, lies, and deceit. Go away.

You don't understand the desecrations of your former sect because you are blind and brainwashed. You are hopeless.

[Zanchief]

I said I'm not interested in your propaganda, lies, and deceit. Go away.

[Arlos]

Mindia, you've yet to show where I've committed a single lie. I asked you where, specifically. Nothing. I asked you to show deceit. Again nothing. I asked you for which was propaganda. Still nothing.

I'm not Catholic. I have no interest in ever BEING catholic again. I left the Church for my own reasons, which are no business of yours. Though, I must say, Christianity being a breeding ground for narrow-minded, judgemental, retarded assholes such as yourself was a big factor in my leaving. I mean, hell, has anyone ever had a Buddhist come up to them and tell you you're going to eternal punishment for not following the way of Buddha? Yet such assholeish types abound in Christianity, I mean, just look at our own pet brainless zealot here, Mindia.

Face it, Mindia, everyone sees through you. We all know you don't actually know a damn thing about Christianity for yourself. All you're capabale of is parroting what your charismatic cult leader has told you. So, any time anyone asks you anything outside that narrow band, you never actually answer the question. You do one of those things I mentioned in that post: 1) Ignore it completely, 2) Personally insult the person making the argument, 3) Post a stupid icon, or something similar, 4) post a vaguely, but not actually, relevant article that you claim vindicates you, but actually does nothing of the sort, or 5) Claim you know everything but we're unworth of your wisdom, so you won't share it. Not once, not *EVER* have you actually responded to an argument like a normal person, and given real counter-arguments, or counter-examples and facts. Not once, in your entire history on this board.

This place was so much nicer while Mindia was banned. Please, Vonk, do us a favor, do it again and make it permanent this time.

-Arlos

[Narrock]

The article I posted is all you need to know. Those books were not part of the original Bible. As soon as you understand that, the better off you will be, and smarter you will be.

[brinstar]

This place was so much nicer while Mindia was banned. Please, Vonk, do us a favor, do it again and make it permanent this time.

it's true

[Arlos]

So, you're claiming that the Codex Sinaiticus is not a bible? You're claiming that the Codex Vaticanus is not a bible? You're claiming that these 2 bibles, transcribed from earlier texts in the time of Constantine the Great, and DO contain those books, are not actually bibles at all? That's the claim you're making? Just to let you know, 150+ years of biblical scholors disagree with you...

You still have yet to post a SINGLE instance of me lying, being deceitful, etc. Not one. Nice try, though.

-Arlos

[Narrock]

So, you're claiming that the Codex Sinaiticus is not a bible? You're claiming that the Codex Vaticanus is not a bible? You're claiming that these 2 bibles, transcribed from earlier texts in the time of Constantine the Great, and DO contain those books, are not actually bibles at all? That's the claim you're making? Just to let you know, 150+ years of biblical scholors disagree with you...

You still have yet to post a SINGLE instance of me lying, being deceitful, etc. Not one. Nice try, though.

-Arlos

/yawn

All I know is that the original Bible did not contain the books of the Apocrypha. Bottom line.

[Diabolik]

All I know is that what you said is basically true and it debunks the ad hominem crap I've been spewing in this message board for months and months and months, and if I backed down in the face of facts, I wouldn't be Mindia anymore. Bottom line.

Fixed. And you're welcome.

[Narrock]

All I know is that what you said is basically true and it debunks the ad hominem crap I've been spewing in this message board for months and months and months, and if I backed down in the face of facts, I wouldn't be Mindia anymore. Bottom line.

Fixed. And you're welcome.

Are you crackhead-Bob? Seriously, get off the drugs man... they are turning your brain to mush.

[Diabolik]

I haven't used drugs since... over there! /point

Be that as it may, you're still wrong and your backpedaling is highly entertaining.

[Narrock]

I haven't used drugs since... over there! /point

Be that as it may, you're still wrong and your backpedaling is highly entertaining.

LOL I have nothing to backpedal about, fool.

You just can't accept the fact that you and your catholic flock are brainwashed beyond repair. It is highly amusing. Sad, but amusing.

[Xaiveir]

I haven't used drugs since... over there! /point

Be that as it may, you're still wrong and your backpedaling is highly entertaining.

LOL I have nothing to backpedal about, fool.

You just can't accept the fact that you and your catholic flock are brainwashed beyond repair. It is highly amusing. Sad, but amusing.

Many do say the same thing about the Christian faith.

[Narrock]

I haven't used drugs since... over there! /point

Be that as it may, you're still wrong and your backpedaling is highly entertaining.

LOL I have nothing to backpedal about, fool.

You just can't accept the fact that you and your catholic flock are brainwashed beyond repair. It is highly amusing. Sad, but amusing.

Many do say the same thing about the Christian faith.

That's fine by me. They can say what they want.

[Gypsiyee]

You just can't accept the fact that you and your catholic flock are brainwashed beyond repair. It is highly amusing. Sad, but amusing.

Just want to make sure I'm getting all the facts straight - anyone who is catholic or liberal is brainwashed or is all about propaganda - nothing anyone from either group says is truth. Republicans and those from your religion, however, know what they're talking about and everything you say was said directly by Jesus Himself and curse anyone who believes otherwise.

That's about right?

[Arlos]

Mindia seems to keep forgetting that I'm not Catholic. Hell, he keeps forgetting that I'm not even Christian nor even Monotheistic any more. So, accusing me of being Catholic is pretty highly amusing.

Now:

All I know is that the original Bible did not contain the books of the Apocrypha.

And you know this how? Ecstatic visions in your bathroom? Did the Holy Spirit descend down from on high, or maybe one of the Archangels and tell you in person? Did you, like the Mormons, discover 27 golden plates with the word of god enscribed on them, telling you so? Or are you depending on the word of your ecstatic cult leader? Do you have *ANY* proof *ANYWHERE* of this assertion?

Fact: Those 2 codexes are the oldest complete bibles existant, anywhere in the world.
Fact: Those 2 codexes have at least most of the Apocryphal books in them. (With Machabees being a possible exception, as I freely noted, if you want to quibble the books of Machabees solely, that you'd have a leg to stand on)

So, you saying you have an even older bible in your basement that doesn't have them? Did you dig it up on an archaeological expedition to Qumran?

Again, if you post a REAL argument, with real logical construction and real evidentiary support, I will happily listen to it, and may even be swayed by it, if I can't poke holes in it or find sufficient counter-evidence. Now, given that we all know your modus operandi by now, I am 100% sure you'd never do this in a million years, but hope springeth eternal.

Oh, and I'm still waiting for an apology for your ad hominem attack calling me a liar. You've yet to point out one single instance where I have lied, even remotely. Not that I expect one, but isn't making amends the christian thing to do when you've falsely accused someone? Not to mention, doesn't that make YOU a purjerer when you have made a completely false and supurious accusation? I'd say you just violated the 9th commandment, and bore false witness against me, yes?

-Arlos

[Diabolik]

I'm not Catholic, you sad little man. Remember we talked about that? Remember you were acting like a dipshit to me for weeks until you finally read where I said I wasn't? Remember when you apologized because of that, and everyone laughed at you? It was my sig for a while, remember? Nah.. can't expect you to keep track of all the times you've been wrong.

I've figured out what I can't stand about you... it's not the Bible-humping, because I know a lot of Bible humpers and some are even worse than you about it, but all the ones I know personally at least open-minded and interested in learning new things. It's not the religious thing... most of the people I know are in fact religious and it doesn't bother me at all even though I'm an atheist. Everyone has their own ideas about what life is all about. I've seen religion change people for the better more often than for the worse.

It's your false piety that bothers me. You think you're a Christian but you don't act like it. You're worse than a Satanist (I should know... I know two of them); at least they are up front about their sinning.

You're not even a good Republican. You get all pissy about the right to choose and gay rights, but when someone takes away your union wages, it's on like Donkey Kong.

[Diabolik]

Mindia seems to keep forgetting that I'm not Catholic

It will be WEEKS before this post sinks in, Arlos. In the meantime, in Mindia's little world, you might as well be Father Flannagan.

[Xaiveir]

To me mindia is like a Chihuahua. Small, feeble but will yap yap yap yap yap yap yap at you about nothing at all. When you back it into a corner it shuts up long enough for you to turn your back, and then yap yap yap yap yap again.

[Langston]

I can't believe you guys are still arguing this... There is an immutable fact:

Mindia is retarded.

There really is no other explanation for his totally inability to comprehend or debate.

[Menelvir]

Has any regular here ever discarded or modified their view as a result of a "debate" here?

I wouldn't necessarily disbelieve anyone who responded 'yes', but I'm thinking the odds
are pretty slim. Not that such discourse isn't worthwhile purely for entertainment
value.

[Tuggan]

there have been a few debates and conversations on the NT over the years that have actually helped me see the other side of some things. as far as absolutley swaying my opinion, nope.