Lyion wrote:Your numbers are way off. Your guesses are way off.
Well, they're not
my numbers. They're the Navy's numbers. I can't attest to naval accuracy myself.
I've been stationed on Air Force bases, I've worked in Joint Ops environments and the ratio of deployments is easily 100 to 1 Navy to Air Force. As I said above its a tad different now due to us being at war, ya know.
I've seen Joint Ops and deployment centers without any naval presence at all. This would make the ratio of deployment an infinite value in favor of the Air Force. This doesn't make either the Air Force or the Navy a particularly dangerous career choice.
First, you realise Carrier Air Wings and Subs rotate crews, right? Also, you realise there are numerous other small ships and deployments to operational areas, right?
And there's still only about 25% of the navy away from their home ports. This isn't something to get defensive about: putting 25% of your manpower in the field is an impressive feat by modern military standards. You just set a ridiculous figure when you claimed 75% earlier. This isn't an era where a combat arms force can expect to field the majority of their personnel, the logistic and support demands are simply too intensive.
Your listing does not include boats, teams, or misc crews that deploy often and are the most challenging fields in the Navy. What about the Seabees? What about the corpsmen?
Didn't we already cover this? Yes, the Navy has specialties that see hazardous duty. So does the Air Force. The vast majority of enlistees in either service will never see hostile fire.
I've been at sea, and it's dangerous. I have two brothers in law in the Air Force, and I have lots of friends in all four branches. I have also been in the service through the mid 90s.
Again, casualty figures. It's no more dangerous than a variety of civilian jobs.
Right now we have the Iraq War going on so the Air Force people ACTUALLY are deployed. My brother in law who was also EOD in the Air Force and retired last year with 20 years spent 13 months deployed in that time. I spent 42 months deployed in the Persian Gulf, Med, and Bahrain in ~5 years in the Navy. However the hotspots in Iraq are rotated between the Army and Marines <Preferably the latter, as the former is sad>. The sea and all the Naval security and work is done by the Navy. What again does the Air Force do?
And how many times did you come under fire in five years? The idea of you going to great lengths to convince us of the hazardous lives Naval personnel lead while calling the Army "sad" is laughable.
The Average enlisted sailor will be in dangerous areas with the threat of violence. The averange Air Force guy will be washing trucks and after the Iraq war is over most likely deploy one time for 60 days to a 4 star hotel. Simple fact. Just because you don't remember the Cole, were not in a ship that was being fired on, do not see the internal reports of sailors dying OFTEN or never saw our ships operating near North Korea, China, Iran, or other hostile areas does not make the danger sailors face every day any less real. It just means you are vastly ignorant and pulling googled numbers out of your ass about a subject you are hugely in the dark about.
Right, because terrorist bombings only happen to deployed ships. We would
never see one of those shoreside. Frankly, you have no idea what, if any, my military service has been and are pulling conjectures as to what I know or don't know out of your ass. I didn't have to google any numbers for this: the Navy kindly provides them to the general public.
Ridiculous assertions about Air Force personnel washing trucks and deploying to four star hotels make accusations of ignorance the height of hypocracy.
I'm still going to direct you back to actual casualty reports whenever you refer to these vague dangers.
The Air Force is cake. It's why anyone in the military urges friends to join it. Its why its retention is so much higher. Its quality of life is high, danger is low, and chance of deployment is by far the lowest.
Danger is apparently quite low for the Navy as well. Again, I refer you to actual casualty figures.
As I've said, being on a COMBAT ship at sea is more dangerous than anything 99% of the Enlisted Air Force will ever do. And most people in the Navy perform that duty, despite your lack of comprehension of this.
Most people? How many of the 366,763 active duty Navy personnel have seen COMBAT?
Fact is, in every service but the Marines, you have more people devoted to supporting the theater of ops than to pulling triggers. Even the Marines have a relatively heavy infrastructure compared to military forces of years past, but they're positively lean compared to the other three combat arms.
