Evolution, Dinosaur to bird transitionary fossil discovered~
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Gidan wrote:I have a serious question for the religious people out there.
Why is it that when a scientist goes out and puts forth a theory based upon scientific research for the start of life it is ridiculed as nonsence. However, when a scientist asks the same people to show evidence of creation, people thorow out The bible says it" as proof.
This is not an I am right and you are wrong thing. I am actrually very interested in peoples different views on this. I have married into a chrisitian family whom do not beleive in evolution, I can tell you I get some of the weirdest looks when I even go near the topic. As usualy I get the standard responce of the bible says this or the bible says that.
I for 1 and a beleiver in evolution, from what I have seen. The evidence points more towards evolution then it does to creation. There is even a large amount of information that can lead to both being true.
Haven't we been over this 10 gazillion times? Or at least 27 times? There is no "transitional" skeletal structure in the fossil record that would even remotely convince a reasonable person that man evolved from <insert species here>.
If that were the case we wouldn't have chimpanzees, gorillas, etc. in existence today. People always try to bring up the duck-billed platypus, "Lucy," Cro-Magnon man, Neanderthalensis, etc. etc. etc. which is no proof whatsoever of man having gone through a transition.
In addition to that, radio metric and carbon dating methods have proven to be extremely inaccurate. It's proven. Yet, people want to clinch their eyes tight and pretend that the proof isn't there and pass it off as opinion. But hey, if you want to believe in the made up word of "hominid" and lumping man in with "ancestral likes" that's your perogative to believe that. I will stick with Faith in God and creationism.
“The more I study science the more I believe in God.” -- Albert Einstein
KILL wrote:Once we have the entire chain of evolution complete, will you then be ready to abondon your false god and join the dark side?
Once Evolution is disproved, will you believe in God? Didn't think so.
The thing is Intelligent Design people have a belief based on faith. There is a reason we believe what we do. Scientists are supposed to be about science, but much about evolution has become just as much a faith based initiative as Islam or Christianity.
There is a small percentage of antagonistic Christians. Likewise, there is a small percentage of antagonistic scientists. There are some on both sides with an agenda, but at the end of the day its all about the pursuit of truth and knowledge.
I'd love to see the age demographic on those who are anti religion.. So easy when one is young, immortal and done little questioning about the meaning of life.
What saves a man is to take a step. Then another step.
– C. S. Lewis
– C. S. Lewis
Here is the deal. The only evidence creationists, and their new false-science buddies, the IDists, will accept would be Buddy Christ himself, descending on a stairway made of clouds, sitting you all down and telling you that evolution is the way life developed on Earth.
Since we all know that will never, ever, happen (wonder why?), we really have nothing to talk about.
By all means, keep beating your heads against a mount everest of evidence. Its your life you can be as ignorant as you like.
Since we all know that will never, ever, happen (wonder why?), we really have nothing to talk about.
By all means, keep beating your heads against a mount everest of evidence. Its your life you can be as ignorant as you like.
mofish wrote:Here is the deal. The only evidence creationists, and their new false-science buddies, the IDists, will accept would be Buddy Christ himself, descending on a stairway made of clouds, sitting you all down and telling you that evolution is the way life developed on Earth.
Since we all know that will never, ever, happen (wonder why?), we really have nothing to talk about.
By all means, keep beating your heads against a mount everest of evidence. Its your life you can be as ignorant as you like.
i KNOW YOU ARE BUT WHAT AM I?
“The more I study science the more I believe in God.” -- Albert Einstein
Harrison wrote:
Lyion wrote:Once Evolution is disproved, will you believe in God? Didn't think so.
Nope. Disproving evolution does not create evidence of what you call God.
Lyion wrote:The thing is Intelligent Design people have a belief based on faith.
Thing is Intelligent People have a beliefs based on logic.
Lyion wrote:I'd love to see the age demographic on those who are anti religion.. So easy when one is young, immortal and done little questioning about the meaning of life.
I'm 35. I have done my share of questioning the meaning of life, why we are here, yadda yadda.
However, it is not something I need an answer to for my life to be complete.
Logic to me indicates a creator. It may point to some completely 1 in 1000000000 random event for you, but common sense would disagree.
Science is fallible. Man is fallible. Faith is greater than both, and something those without cannot comprehend nor logically understand even though it is so simple and apparent to those of us with it.
If one doesn't need to search for greater things, than I pity that person. What an empy miserable life.
Science is fallible. Man is fallible. Faith is greater than both, and something those without cannot comprehend nor logically understand even though it is so simple and apparent to those of us with it.
If one doesn't need to search for greater things, than I pity that person. What an empy miserable life.
What saves a man is to take a step. Then another step.
– C. S. Lewis
– C. S. Lewis
I never said I didnt believe in a creator. There very well may be one. Or 100. Or 100000 of them. I really dont know. Fact is, neither do you.
If faith in your religion works for you, more power to ya. I only have a problem with it when people treat thier faith as fact and push it on others.
I pity people whos lives are so empty that they need religion to fill the void.
If faith in your religion works for you, more power to ya. I only have a problem with it when people treat thier faith as fact and push it on others.
I pity people whos lives are so empty that they need religion to fill the void.
KILL wrote:I never said I didnt believe in a creator. There very well may be one. Or 100. Or 100000 of them. I really dont know. Fact is, neither do you.
If faith in your religion works for you, more power to ya. I only have a problem with it when people treat thier faith as fact and push it on others.
I pity people whos lives are so empty that they need religion to fill the void.
That is the only intelligent thing I have ever seen you post.
You have earned my respect with that comment...even if only a bit.
How do you like this spoiler, motherfucker? -Lyion
Lyion wrote:KILL wrote:If faith in your religion works for you, more power to ya. I only have a problem with it when people treat thier faith as fact and push it on others.
That is a two way street. Lack of respect comes from both directions.
Yeah, if only those annoying evolutionists would stop beating on my door every other Sunday morning!
Tadpole wrote:My High School had a big argument over this shit on Intelligent Design (Dover, PA). I don't understand why they made a big deal about it.
Because they want to teach it in science class, except ID is simply stealth/rebranded Creationism trying to pretend it isn't really about 'God did it' because they changed 'God' to 'some unknown Intelligent Designer'.
--R.
Rust Martialis -- Spiritwatcher of War/Valorguard/The Nameless
"There are angels on our curtains; they keep the outside out.
And there are lions on our curtains; they lick their wounds, they lick their doubt." -- 'Curtains', Peter Gabriel
"There are angels on our curtains; they keep the outside out.
And there are lions on our curtains; they lick their wounds, they lick their doubt." -- 'Curtains', Peter Gabriel
Mindia wrote:Haven't we been over this 10 gazillion times? Or at least 27 times? There is no "transitional" skeletal structure in the fossil record that would even remotely convince a reasonable person that man evolved from <insert species here>.
If that were the case we wouldn't have chimpanzees, gorillas, etc. in existence today. People always try to bring up the duck-billed platypus, "Lucy," Cro-Magnon man, Neanderthalensis, etc. etc. etc. which is no proof whatsoever of man having gone through a transition.
The above paragraph has to rank as one of the greatest non-sequiturs of all time on NT. I *think* it's a wierd screwup of the 'if man descended from apes why are there still apes' argument.
Mindia holding himself up as a 'reasonable person' wins an additional award for 'most consistently distorted worldview'.
In addition to that, radio metric and carbon dating methods have proven to be extremely inaccurate. It's proven.
Actually, radiometric (one word, btw) and carbon dating are actually quite reliable. Scientists use them all the time, and while there are obviously limits on their use (some samples are not suitable for dating due to chemical alteration over time) they're widely used by gologists and archaeologists.
Yet, people want to clinch their eyes tight and pretend that the proof isn't there and pass it off as opinion. But hey, if you want to believe in the made up word of "hominid" and lumping man in with "ancestral likes" that's your perogative to believe that. I will stick with Faith in God and creationism.
The only person here clinching their eyes tight is Mindia. Nothing can possibly be true that contradicts his faith. Considering you can't even spell 'radiometric' correctly, I don't think people should be paying a whole lot of attention tio your unsupported claims about geology.
We need a
emoticon of someone with their fingers in their ears, eyes shut, going 'LA LA LA SCIENCE IS ALL FAKE' to put things in proper perspective.
I'm sure Mindia can be relied on to cut-and-paste the usual lies from AIG or the ICR about dating methods.
--R.
Rust Martialis -- Spiritwatcher of War/Valorguard/The Nameless
"There are angels on our curtains; they keep the outside out.
And there are lions on our curtains; they lick their wounds, they lick their doubt." -- 'Curtains', Peter Gabriel
"There are angels on our curtains; they keep the outside out.
And there are lions on our curtains; they lick their wounds, they lick their doubt." -- 'Curtains', Peter Gabriel
Mindia wrote:Lyion wrote:I'm sure plenty show up on your doorstep to discuss Creationism.
lol KILL just got...
I've had Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses knock on my door any number of times. So... yeah... Creationists do come around, from time to time. Apparently not in Lyion or Mindia's world though.
--R. 'Welcome to Earth, both of you'
Rust Martialis -- Spiritwatcher of War/Valorguard/The Nameless
"There are angels on our curtains; they keep the outside out.
And there are lions on our curtains; they lick their wounds, they lick their doubt." -- 'Curtains', Peter Gabriel
"There are angels on our curtains; they keep the outside out.
And there are lions on our curtains; they lick their wounds, they lick their doubt." -- 'Curtains', Peter Gabriel
Harrison wrote:I don't hold much faith in either religion or science.
Both have been wrong...and both continue to be "Wrong" at all times.
Do any of you have your own thoughts on life?
Right, if you want to say 'God did it', I got no problem with that. It's not scientific, but that's ok. People believe all sorts of things, they're entitled to.
Just don't be stupid enough to try to teach 'God did it' in science class. Or the modern derivative 'an unspecified Intelligent Designer (we swear we don't mean God!) did it'.
--R.
Rust Martialis -- Spiritwatcher of War/Valorguard/The Nameless
"There are angels on our curtains; they keep the outside out.
And there are lions on our curtains; they lick their wounds, they lick their doubt." -- 'Curtains', Peter Gabriel
"There are angels on our curtains; they keep the outside out.
And there are lions on our curtains; they lick their wounds, they lick their doubt." -- 'Curtains', Peter Gabriel