Women who use birth control are sluts

[Narrock]

Alright. I'll attempt to explain this one last time.

The business function of Planned Parenthood has no impact whatsoever on whether or not the term or business name "Planned Parenthood" is an oxymoron. You can debate that the name is inappropriate or misleading, but that does not change the fact that "oxymoron" is an incorrect word to use in this situation.

You're wrong. Wrong wrong wrong. You'll look much less wrong if you just admit it to yourself and drop it now.

You are wrong, wrong, wrong. I just showed you the Webster's definition of the word, "Oxymoron" and even Corky the retard can see how easily the words together, "Planned Parenthood" fit into that Oxymoron mold.

[Narrock]

I think Mindia starts posting his one word responses and lame non-sequitor icons when the bullshit he's spewing gets too much even for him.

And damn. That's saying something.

You are the bullshit here. You are a pig. God have mercy on you.

Jesus is so happy to claim you right now.

If I were you (and thank God I'm not), I'd be more concerned with how Jesus feels about me right now. I'm just very, very thankful that I'm not walking in your shoes.

[Narrock]

if you're not ready to be a parent, don't have sex.

Now I have this question then.

Ephesians 5:22-24

Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the savior of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

Does the women have the choice not to have sex if she is not ready to be a parent if her husband demands it of her?

I thought women got married because they want to start a family with the man they love, in most cases. If a woman does not want a child, or feels she is not ready to be a parent, she should use toys. If she happens to get pregnant she should have the child. If a wife tells her husband "NO!" then he should either A. respect her decision, or B. ask for a divorce. He cannot force himself on her if she says no.

Ok, lets put it another way. You have a 12 year old girl who is druged and raped. She becomes prenant. Do you also beleive she should be forced into having that child. She is not ready to be a parent and in no way was a willing participant. There is nothing in the world she could have done. She had 0 controle over what happened.

Is is really beter to ruin her life and probably bring a child into the world who will ahve a horrible childhood then to abort the prenancy?

I already made that abundantly clear Gidan. You should actually read my posts and not skim through them. In cases of child rape, and if there's a danger to the host female (I don't dare use the term "mother" because it's a slap in the face to real mothers) for whatever reason, then I think abortions should be allowed.

I'm talking about the happy-go-lucky-if-it-feels-good-do-it-selfish-disgusting-pig-of-a-human who would get an abortion based purely out of a perceived "inconvenience."

[Narrock]

All I'm saying is that you should take responsibility if something goes "wrong" in accordance to you.

If something goes "wrong" with my birth control, I will take responsibility. I will be responsible for driving myself to the nearest abortion clinic and paying to have the parasite sucked out of me with a vacuum hose.

Also, it appears that you are the person who needs to learn the definitions of the words "irony" and "oxymoron".

Oxymoron is a word or phrase that is comprised of two antonyms. "Deafening silence." "Friendly fire." "Christian science."

Planned Parenthood does not fall in that category, therefore it is not an oxymoron. Moron. (Hee! See what I did there? I slay me.)

Irony is an incongruity between what might be expected and what actually occurs. You calling Johnny illiterate when you are in fact the one who is incorrect in the meaning of the word oxymoron is an ironic situation.

oh, and by the way Einstein...

Websters defines "Oxymoron" as: "A combination of contradictory words."

That is the precise definition of "Planned Parenthood" you idiot.

Owned.

webster also defines antonym as "a word of opposite meaning"

ergo, webster's definition of oxymoron could also be stated as "a combination of antonyms"

and what did vivalicious define an oxymoron as? "a word or phrase that is comprised of two antonyms"

boy it must be frustrating when someone else points out that you are only arguing against yourself huh



it's like when bugs bunny and daffy duck are arguing at gunpoint whether it's duck season or rabbit season, you all know the skit i'm sure

Oh boy. Here comes peanut gallery participant number 4...

Go ahead and dance around the subject. I don't care. You are good at it.

[Lyion]

I personally dont care, but I can see where it might irk a person who has kids going there.

Maybe only one third of the fall semester freshmen would be kids.

Maybe I'm just a geezer, but an 18 or 19 year old is a kid. If a parent is paying for said child to go to college spending thousands of dollars, and still claiming them as a dependent then they are still a 'yute' as Joe Pesci would call it, and little different than a 17 year old.

While I have no personal problem with the morning after pill, either, it is not simply birth control, but also leans towards the side of early abortion.

[vonkaar]

I will no longer point my finger and say, "This is how it is" and "This is definitely why your religion is wrong." I will try to use more tact, respect, and sensitivity. On the other side of the coin, I urge many of you to open the Bible and start reading, and get into discussions, and really delve into Scripture like you never have before. Let's discuss things on a rational level.

That didn't last long =/

[Spacewoman Spiff]

Nope! What, you thought it would?

Also, I don't give a rats abortion what Jesus thinks of me Mindia, because I put him in the same category as the Easter Bunny and that pleasant fat man who supposedly brings us Christmas presents. Jesus is a fairytale character in an amusing, though dry at times, work of fiction.

You, however, really believe. And you treat people like this. I've read of your messiah, and I don't think he'd appreciate how you behave around his other creations in his name. Also, CTFO. I really don't understand why you can't admit that in this case of proper word usage, you're wrong.

[The Kizzy]

I don't understand why anyopne argues with him when he gets like this. It does no good. It's the same as when Finawin starts telling me that I am a murderer even though I have said a million times I would never get an abortion.

[Martrae]

There is nothing oxymoronic about planning to be a parent. An oxymoron would be planned accident.

You may have some misinformation about the services they provide and/or disagree with their business practices but that has nothing to do with the name and the images (like any good business name) it evokes.

They advocate becoming a parent at the best possible time for you, not just whenever you happen to become knocked up.

Many years ago I went to Planned Parenthood. While there I got a pelvic exam (my first, go me) and recieved a prescription for the pill. I also purchased condoms in a wonderful rainbow of colors. Not once did anyone mention abortion to me and abortions were not performed there.

[vonkaar]

The biggest oxymoron I ever knew was:

Escort GT

for true

[The Kizzy]

jumbo shrimp

military intelligence

[vonkaar]

Pregnant Palm Beach County girl, 13, at center of abortion conflict

Teen's state guardian asks court to intervene

By Tal Abbady, John Coté and David Fleshler
Staff WriterS
Posted April 29 2005

Pregnant and living in a shelter, a 13-year-old Palm Beach County girl is snared in a court fight of national scope after the state's social services agency blocked her attempt to have an abortion.

The legal and political wrangling surrounding the girl intensified Thursday as legislators and advocates weighed in on the case in light of state and federal efforts to pass a parental notification law that would apply to pregnant teens.

State law allows minors to have abortions without notifying their guardians. Experts say the law extends to wards of the state, raising the question of why this girl's decision has ended up before a judge.

Identified in court records simply as L.G., the girl's plans to end her 131/2-week pregnancy were thwarted when her guardian, the state Department of Children & Families, filed an emergency motion in Juvenile Court to prevent the abortion. The American Civil Liberties Union, represented by attorney James K. Green, filed an emergency appeal Wednesday arguing that neither the court nor DCF should be involved in L.G.'s decision.

The 4th District Court of Appeal on Thursday granted the ACLU's request to expedite the appeals process, which means the state agency has only five days to file a written response.

L.G. lives in a licensed shelter home and learned she was pregnant during a medical exam about two weeks ago, according to court documents.

"Almost immediately after learning that she was pregnant, L.G. informed the DCF caseworker that she wished to terminate the pregnancy," the ACLU brief states. She planned to have her abortion Tuesday "with transportation and assistance" from the caseworker, but that morning DCF filed the motion to prevent her from terminating the pregnancy. A DCF official said the caseworker involved was not a DCF employee but was brought in by Children's Home Society, which does contract work for DCF.

After a hearing Tuesday,Circuit Judge Ronald V. Alvarez temporarily barred the teen from having an abortion and ordered a psychological evaluation to determine her mental condition and whether she would be harmed by terminating the pregnancy or carrying the fetus to term.

Marilyn Munoz, spokeswoman for the Department of Children & Families, said the agency had no choice but to stop the abortion. She pointed to a Florida statute: "In no case shall the department consent to sterilization, abortion, or termination of life support."

"As a state agency, we have higher standards when it comes to accountability," Munoz said. "We have to follow the law ... We can't consent to it no matter what."

But legal experts and advocates say the actions of the judge and DCF flout state law that allows girls under 18 to have abortions without notifying a parent or guardian and without having to undergo psychological counseling.

"That statute is not relevant at all. No one is asking DCF to consent to an abortion. L.G. has the right to consent to her own abortion ..." said Carolyn Salisbury, associate director of the University of Miami Children and Youth Law Clinic. Salisbury, a lawyer, has represented children in foster care for a decade. Some of her clients, underage girls in foster care like L.G., have undergone abortions.

"The governor in our state lost the battle in the case of Terri Schiavo," she added, referring to the brain-damaged woman at the heart of a political right-to-die debate. "Now he's picking a new battle in which he also has no legal standing."

Bush offered only a brief remark on L.G.'s case Thursday.

"The governor feels it's a sad and tragic case and will be settled in the court," Bush spokesman Russell Schweiss said.

Stephanie Grutman, executive director of the Florida Association of Planned Parenthood Affiliates, said that L.G. will enter her second trimester in a few days, making an abortion slightly more risky and sharply reducing the number of providers in Florida willing to perform the procedure.

"This teen did exactly what she was supposed to do when faced with an unexpected pregnancy," Grutman said. "She went to a trusted adult ... and a healthcare center, got the information she needed and made a responsible decision for her life ... Now we have bureaucrats playing politics with a young woman's life. We're in a situation where every moment counts."

Among abortion opponents in the Legislature, there appeared to be little appetite for intervening in the case.

Rep. John Stargel, R-Lakeland, an outspoken abortion foe, said DCF officials were right to intervene.

"The courts are the only arena to decide if a 13-year-old is mature enough to make that decision," he said.

Rep. Dennis Baxley, R-Ocala, another abortion opponent, said the case showed the importance of the parental-notification law pending before the Legislature. Florida voters last year amended the constitution to require doctors to tell parents of an underage girl's plans for an abortion. Both chambers are working on bills to implement the amendment.

But Sen. Nan Rich, D-Weston, a frequent critic of DCF, said it was "outrageous and unacceptable" for the state to force a 13-year-old girl to continue an unwanted pregnancy.

"Here you have an agency of government imposing their bias, their point of view on a foster child, and to me there's something drastically wrong with that," she said.

"The bottom line is we have a right to privacy in our state constitution. Just like Schiavo, the state is trying to make personal decisions in people's lives."

Rich said the fundamental question remains about how a 13-year-old girl became pregnant in the state's care, a concern also raised by Rep. Shelley Vana, D-Lantana.

"Why do we have a young girl in the custody of DCF who is pregnant?" Vana said. "Maybe that's the question we should be asking."

She should have this baby to TEACH IT A LESSON! YEAH!!

For TRUE, ACLU!!

[Gidan]

The problem we are running into here is that many people use the word incorectly every singe day. The perfect example of that is

Military Intelligence.

This is used as an oxymoron daily. As was posted early the definition of an oxymoron as "A combination of contradictory words". It has nothing to do with anything other then those 2 seperate words.

The mord Military and the word Intelligence are not contradictory.
and
The word Planned and the word Parenthood are not contradictory.

Planned - A scheme, program, or method worked out beforehand for the accomplishment of an objective

Parenthood - One who begets, gives birth to, or nurtures and raises a child.

How are those 2 words contradictory Mindia?

[The Kizzy]

The military intelligence oxymoron comment came from "The Renaissaince Man" when Danny Devito was trying to teach a class of Army idiots (literally idiots, they werent smart enough to pass through boot camp) the meaning of Oxymoron, silly.

[brinstar]

I will no longer point my finger and say, "This is how it is" and "This is definitely why your religion is wrong." I will try to use more tact, respect, and sensitivity. On the other side of the coin, I urge many of you to open the Bible and start reading, and get into discussions, and really delve into Scripture like you never have before. Let's discuss things on a rational level.

That didn't last long =/

where's the poll where's the poll

the masses want a lynchin'

[Harrison]

I don't understand why anyopne argues with him when he gets like this. It does no good. It's the same as when Finawin starts telling me that I am a murderer even though I have said a million times I would never get an abortion.

Never called you a murderer, I said you support murder.

[Gidan]

Hurray for Florida government going against its own laws. I just love when the law doesn't pertain to the law makers when they decide its an inconvenience.

[Narrock]

I will no longer point my finger and say, "This is how it is" and "This is definitely why your religion is wrong." I will try to use more tact, respect, and sensitivity. On the other side of the coin, I urge many of you to open the Bible and start reading, and get into discussions, and really delve into Scripture like you never have before. Let's discuss things on a rational level.

That didn't last long =/

Rational discussions are not possible here. Too many Ostrichs here.

[Narrock]

The biggest oxymoron I ever knew was:

Escort GT

for true

you actually bought one of those?

[Lyion]

A better article and kudos to this judge for blasting DCF

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/localnews/ ... _0429.html

riday, April 29, 2005

WEST PALM BEACH — A judge said Thursday he was outraged that the Florida Department of Children and Families did not do more to prevent a 13-year-old foster child from getting pregnant.

Before rushing into court to stop her from having an abortion, Palm Beach County Juvenile Court Judge Ronald Alvarez said, the state should have done more to get her off the streets. He discovered during a Thursday hearing that the girl has run away from state homes at least five times and was gone for a month when she became pregnant early this year.

The Department of Children and Families failed to even notify the court that she was gone so police could try to find her, Alvarez said.

"To say I am angry is an understatement," he said.

Alvarez held the hearing in Palm Beach County Juvenile Court to determine whether the girl, identified in court records as L.G., might be physically or emotionally harmed by an abortion.

But Alvarez said he will wait to rule on whether she can go ahead with the abortion until the 4th District Court of Appeal decides whether he has any authority in the case. The American Civil Liberties Union and the Legal Aid Society of Palm Beach County believe that any court or state involvement violates L.G.'s constitutional right to choose.

The appeals court said Thursday it will move quickly on the case. The state has five days to submit its brief, and the ACLU and Legal Aid will have three days to respond. The girl is in her second trimester of pregnancy, her lawyers said, and an abortion will become more risky as time passes.

The ACLU believes this is another case of Florida leaders meddling in private lives and trampling the law to push a pro-life ideology. Critics of the state's intervention compared the case to Gov. Jeb Bush's attempts to block Terri Schiavo's husband from removing her feeding tube and to his attempt in 2003 to appoint a guardian for the fetus of a severely disabled woman raped in state care.

But House Speaker Allan Bense, R-Panama City, said the state has a responsibility to act as a good parent to L.G. and evaluate her before she makes an important decision.

"Frankly, I would err on the side of caution," Bense said. "The government is already involved because of the nature of the girl's case. And if I were the parent, I would want to make sure that the child received a proper evaluation."

Despite his strong feelings against abortion, Bush stayed mostly silent on the case Thursday.

"This is a matter that's being decided by the courts, and DCF is acting in the best interest of the child," his spokesman, Jacob DiPietre, said.

[The Kizzy]

I don't understand why anyopne argues with him when he gets like this. It does no good. It's the same as when Finawin starts telling me that I am a murderer even though I have said a million times I would never get an abortion.

Never called you a murderer, I said you support murder.

Explain to me again how I support murder?

[Harrison]

[Gidan]

The problem is, by the time the courts are done, the new discussion will be that its to late to have the abortion and it will go back to court. In the end, the gov't will win because abortion will not even be an option because of how long this has all taken.

The problem with having the gov't as a parent is that it cares less about the child and more about its political agenda. If they were truely concerned only about the child, they woudl see that she has a far greater chance of death carrying the child to term then she does in having the abortion. They are not concerned with her health, they want to make a political statement and have presedence for other court cases.

[Darcler]

Ok, if you've ever GONE to Planned Parenthood (and not to pro-life.com you dork) you will KNOW that they offer birth control, condoms, pelvic exams ect. They NEVER EVER push abortion. The reason they are there is to offer assistance in planning for the right time to start a family.
Dr. Jones, your doctor, my doctor, they will send a referal to another doctor if you ask for an abortion. That is exactlly what Planned Parenthood does also. They send you to another branch of their offices. Are all doctors evil and from the devil now?

Doctors who perform unnecessary abortions, because it's inconvenient for the woman, should have their licenses revoked for going against the will of God.

Not everyone believes in God.

[Gidan]

Where does god say abortion is against his will, and if he says it where does he talk about the inconvenience of the women and pregnancy?