One state finaly does something right

Harrison · Post by **Harrison** » Tue May 03, 2005 1:12 pm

BUT MARIJUANA KILLS PEOPLE AND RAPED MY MOTHER

Zanchief · Post by **Zanchief** » Tue May 03, 2005 1:22 pm

Mindia wrote:
Zanchief wrote:
Mindia wrote:I'd vote for Jeb in '08 if he ran.

SHOCKING!

I'm glad voter fraud and a complete circumvention of democracy isn't an issue for you.

It's nice to see you still believe in a fairytale concocted by the leftists.

Speaking of fairy tales, how's that Religion thing going for you?

Harrison · Post by **Harrison** » Tue May 03, 2005 1:29 pm

"Then zanchief cast his line, the mindia fish saw the bait hit the water immediately..."

Spacewoman Spiff · Post by **Spacewoman Spiff** » Tue May 03, 2005 1:30 pm

Zanchief wrote:
Mindia wrote:
Zanchief wrote:
Mindia wrote:I'd vote for Jeb in '08 if he ran.

SHOCKING!

I'm glad voter fraud and a complete circumvention of democracy isn't an issue for you.

It's nice to see you still believe in a fairytale concocted by the leftists.

Speaking of fairy tales, how's that Religion thing going for you?

:ohsnap:

Donnel · Post by **Donnel** » Tue May 03, 2005 1:56 pm

Zanchief wrote:
Mindia wrote:
Zanchief wrote:
Mindia wrote:I'd vote for Jeb in '08 if he ran.

SHOCKING!

I'm glad voter fraud and a complete circumvention of democracy isn't an issue for you.

It's nice to see you still believe in a fairytale concocted by the leftists.

Speaking of fairy tales, how's that Religion thing going for you?

Sorry zan, but that was rather :troll:

ish

Zanchief · Post by **Zanchief** » Tue May 03, 2005 3:50 pm

Donnel wrote:
Zanchief wrote:
Mindia wrote:
Zanchief wrote:
Mindia wrote:I'd vote for Jeb in '08 if he ran.

SHOCKING!

I'm glad voter fraud and a complete circumvention of democracy isn't an issue for you.

It's nice to see you still believe in a fairytale concocted by the leftists.

Speaking of fairy tales, how's that Religion thing going for you?

Sorry zan, but that was rather ish

ROAR

brinstar · Post by **brinstar** » Tue May 03, 2005 5:22 pm

Lyion wrote:The only problem I have is the 19 or 20 with the 15 or 16 year old romeo and juliet cases. As long as they stick to the true pedophiles, then I think this is a great idea. The Romeo and Juliet cases shouldn't even be crimes, IMO.

from what i've seen come through the system here in nebraska, these kinds of cases get pretty light sentences

in fact i remember one case where the guy was 19 and the girl was 15 and both sets of parents were fully aware and fully approving of their relationship

she got pregnant and they picked him up for statutory despite protests from all the parents

i think he ended up getting time served (something like 120 days in county lockup) which is pretty tame for a felony

the only bummer is that he has to be on the sex offender registry and he is now a felon ;\

Post by **Gidan** » Tue May 03, 2005 5:53 pm

Now the poor guy will never be able to rent an apartemnt should he need to and will have a really hard time getting a decent job. Hope he had no asperations of becomming a teacher.

If both sets of parents are ok with it, the gov't needs to step back. Some times it just goes over the top. Its just like when somone reports a somone to child protectve services becasue they saw the parent yelling at the child. And then they take the kid away to investiget the home.

brinstar · Post by **brinstar** » Tue May 03, 2005 6:00 pm

yeah i felt pretty bad for the guy

Treehorn · Post by **Treehorn** » Tue May 03, 2005 6:50 pm

Only slightly off-topic, I watched The Woodsman last night. Pretty interesting movie. Anyone else see this?

<3 Kevin Bacon

Darcler · Post by **Darcler** » Tue May 03, 2005 10:48 pm

I know a guy who is on the registry. He cant get a good job, he can pretty much only get jobs through hooks ups, he will always be on the registry, though in a little less than a year he no longer has to put it on his applications, though he still has to register with the city if he moves. He cant leave the city, cant pass through school zones, cant see a movie until it is a month old, cant go through drive throughs unless someone else is in the car with him. Its totally retarded.

I feel for anyone who was busted with bogus charges that has to go through this.

dammuzis · Post by **dammuzis** » Tue May 03, 2005 11:16 pm

i would solve all the problems of the world with two laws

one.. if you steal something you pay back the owner seven times the value of whatever what was stolen. if you can pay it all your worldly possesions are removed and you and your family are made slaves of the people you stole from for 7 years (hi worldcom)

two.. of you rape murder etc you are put to death.. period

of course things like drugs prostitution and other concensual things are NOT crimes and therefore suffer no punishment

Diekan · Post by **Diekan** » Tue May 03, 2005 11:35 pm

I agree with the death for all violent crimes and child molestation. Just fucken axe em. Save the tax payers some money... reduce prison crowding... you get the idea.

Post by **Gidan** » Wed May 04, 2005 8:53 am

The only problem with that is to think about all the people who sat in prison for 30 years of a life sentance, or sat on death row wrongly convicted and were later released. If you just imediately put them to death, you have just murdered innocent people. Who pays for this? no one, its a "Oops my bad, sorry". What does the family of the vic receive? nothing, because it was an honest mistake.

There are way to many loopholes in the laws to just start putting every major criminal to death. Some obviously guilty people go free becaues the lawyers were able to so discredit the cops on the investigation that all evidence is thrown out and the jurry is told there is no evidence at all. On the flip side of that, we have cops out there so desprite to convict somone they plant evidence because they are sure who did it and are going to get them convicted, when all they are doing it going on a hunch or some times out of pure hatred of the person.

In the current state of our court system, we would put to many innocent people to death and far to many of the guilty would still walk. We need to fix it before just killing the convicted.

xaoshaen · Post by **xaoshaen** » Wed May 04, 2005 9:34 am

Gidan wrote:The only problem with that is to think about all the people who sat in prison for 30 years of a life sentance, or sat on death row wrongly convicted and were later released. If you just imediately put them to death, you have just murdered innocent people. Who pays for this? no one, its a "Oops my bad, sorry". What does the family of the vic receive? nothing, because it was an honest mistake.

There are way to many loopholes in the laws to just start putting every major criminal to death. Some obviously guilty people go free becaues the lawyers were able to so discredit the cops on the investigation that all evidence is thrown out and the jurry is told there is no evidence at all. On the flip side of that, we have cops out there so desprite to convict somone they plant evidence because they are sure who did it and are going to get them convicted, when all they are doing it going on a hunch or some times out of pure hatred of the person.

In the current state of our court system, we would put to many innocent people to death and far to many of the guilty would still walk. We need to fix it before just killing the convicted.

Of course, this ignores the recidivism rates amongst violent criminals in the current judicial system. You'd kill some innocent people with a widespread application of the death penalty, but you're killing and raping innocent people as it is.

The problem with the death penalty is not that some people will be wrongly convicted and die, but that as it stands, it doesn't serve as an effective deterrent. To be effective it needs to be applied consistently and thoroughly, that is, it becomes resident in the public conciousness that if you're convicted of a member of the capital set of crimes, you will be put to death in an expedient manner. You will not live 20 years on death row. You will not be able to buy your way out of the sentence. You will not stall the system with endless appeals. You will not pass go and collect $200.

Of course other aspects of the justice system would need to be overhauled to ensure that the law applies equitably to each accused criminal. Conviction rates need to roughly resemble apprehension rates over the long term, or you can safely assume that the system isn't behaving correctly.