Ugh

[Narrock]

Sometimes I'm downright embarrassed to be a Californian. We are so backwards and immoral with our politics it's absolutely sickening. Why can't we have level-headed politicians like they do in N. Carolina? If you live in Cali, for the love of God, please sign the petition as soon as you have the opportunity... there's got to be 600,000 moral people in California somewhere.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u ... california

[Tadpole]

Vi can't velief you let zem fagots get married.

[KILL]

heres an idea - move to north carolina, join the rest of your klan buddies and live happily ever after

[Yamori]

Oh wow, another gay marriage thread.

[Zanchief]

You're boring, Mindia.

[dammuzis]

as much as i think gay marriage should be a right the voters voice has been heard and it was loud and clear landslide agaisnt gay marriage..

[Captain Insano]

as much of a crock the institution of marriage is ALREADY i don't care if gays or donkeys, or a dyslexic penguin and a duck-footed rhinocerus get married.

Stupid debate and stupid to stop them.

[Darcler]

Go Cali

[Narrock]

as much as i think gay marriage should be a right the voters voice has been heard and it was loud and clear landslide agaisnt gay marriage..

It did get voted against by the people, but here again we have another example of activist politicians thumbing their noses at the people and just doing whatever they hell they want.

[Narrock]

:balloons: Go Cali

[Tae-Bo]

"This disturbing display of arrogance against marriage and the voters means average Californians must take matters into their own hands"

i don't want people that are just "average" to make decisions for me, thx

[brinstar]

heres an idea - move to north carolina, join the rest of your klan buddies and live happily ever after

[Arlos]

committees of state lawmakers rejected a constitutional amendment that would ... strip away a long list of rights granted to domestic partners in recent years.

Oh the horrors! They would vote down something that would completely remove all domestic partner benefits! You realize that that's a completely seperate issue from marriage, right? Or are you against domestic partner laws, too?

BTW, I fully expect to see legalized gay marriage in CA soon, which will be a good thing for the state, even if the only result is to get bigots like Mindia to move out.

-Arlos

[Mop]

Mindia what are your thoughts on the recent study stating that gay mens brain functions are different than strait mens?

[Jimmy Durante]

The article Mop is referring to:

WASHINGTON - The sexual area of a gay man's brain works a lot like that of a woman when exposed to a particular stimulus, researchers say.

In an experiment, men and heterosexual women sniffed a chemical from the male hormone testosterone. The homosexual men's brains responded differently from those of heterosexual males, and in a similar way to the women's brains.

"It is one more piece of evidence ... that is showing that sexual orientation is not all learned," said Sandra Witelson, an expert on brain anatomy and sexual orientation at the Michael G. DeGroote School of Medicine at McMaster University in Ontario, Canada.

Witelson, who was not part of the research team, said the findings clearly show a biological involvement in sexual orientation.

The study, published in Tuesday's issue of Proceedings of the
National Academy of Sciences, was done by researchers at the Karolinska Institute in Stockholm, Sweden.

They exposed heterosexual men and women and homosexual men to chemicals derived from male and female sex hormones. These chemicals are thought to be pheromones — molecules known to trigger responses such as defense and sex in many animals.

Whether humans respond to pheromones has been debated, although in 2000 American researchers reported finding a gene that they believe directs a human pheromone receptor in the nose.

The brains of different groups responded similarly to ordinary odors such as lavender, but differed in their response to the chemicals thought to be pheromones, lead researcher Ivanka Savic said.

The Swedish researchers divided 36 subjects into three groups — heterosexual men, heterosexual women and homosexual men. They studied the brain response to sniffing the chemicals, using PET scans. All the subjects were healthy, unmedicated, right-handed and
HIV-negative.

When they sniffed scents like cedar or lavender, all of the subjects' brains reacted only in the olfactory region that handles smells.

But when confronted by a chemical from testosterone, the male hormone, portions of the brains active in sexual activity were activated in straight women and in gay men, but not in straight men, the researchers found.

The response in gay men and straight women was concentrated in the hypothalamus with a maximum in the preoptic area that is active in hormonal and sensory responses necessary for sexual behavior, the researchers said.

When the female hormone estrogen was used, there was only a response in the olfactory portion of the brains of straight women. Homosexual men had their primary response also in the olfactory area, with a very small reaction in the hypothalamus, while heterosexual men responded strongly in the reproductive region of the brain.

Savic said the group is also doing a study involving homosexual women, but those results are not yet complete.

In a separate study looking at response to body odors, researchers in Philadelphia found sharp differences between gay and straight men and women.

"Our findings support the contention that gender preference has a biological component that is reflected in both the production of different body odors and in the perception of and response to body odors," said neuroscientist Charles Wysocki, who led the study.

It's hard to see how a simple choice to be gay or lesbian would influence the production of body odor, he said.

Wysocki's team at the Monell Chemical Senses Center studied the response of 82 heterosexual and homosexual men and heterosexual and homosexual women to the odors of underarm sweat collected from 24 donors of varied gender and sexual orientation.

They found that gay men differed from heterosexual men and women and from lesbian women, both in terms of which body odors gay men preferred and how their own body odors were regarded by the other groups.

Gay men preferred odors from gay men, while odors from gay men were the least preferred by heterosexual men and women and by lesbian women in the study. Their findings, released Monday, are to be published in the journal Psychological Science in September.

The Swedish research was funded by the Swedish Medical Research Council, the Karolinska Institute and the Magnus Bergvall Foundation. Wysocki's research was supported by the Monell Center.

[Gypsiyee]

stupid asshole pushing his beliefs on people in the picture should at least learn how to spell accept so his poster doesn't make him look like a moron

I'm sure he does that on his own enough.

[Tacks]

Oh look, someone's being judgemental again.

[Trielelvan]

:balloons: Go Cali

Um, yes.

"The fact is plain and simple," he said. "There is a group of people who, for whatever reason, do not like gays and cannot tolerate the idea of two women sleeping together or two men sleeping together. To put that into the constitution... is simply unconscionable."

Mindia, I could give 2 shits as to what your bible quotes on homosexuality, but the fact is plain and simple, you don't have the right to decide what should and shouldn't be a couple. These are grown adults in mutually concensual relationships we're talking about. Your argument for why this should have gone through is the SAME as what was said over 40 years ago when people were trying to stop blacks and whites from marrying and having children, and it's utterly ridiculous.

But some very good advice was given - here, I'll reiterate:

heres an idea - move to north carolina, join the rest of your klan buddies and live happily ever after

[Tikker]

I don't understand why people would giving a flying fuck who got married

[Eziekial]

Why must it be called "marriage" again? Why can't the fags settle for "civil unions"?

[mappatazee]

Look at your awesome supporters:
<img src="http://us.news3.yimg.com/img.news.yahoo.com/util/anysize/408,http%3A%2F%2Fus.news2.yimg.com%2Fus.yimg.com%2Fp%2Fap%2F20050511%2Fcapt.nckt10205110903.gay_marriage_nckt102.jpg?v=1">

MORANS

[Narrock]

committees of state lawmakers rejected a constitutional amendment that would ... strip away a long list of rights granted to domestic partners in recent years.

Oh the horrors! They would vote down something that would completely remove all domestic partner benefits! You realize that that's a completely seperate issue from marriage, right? Or are you against domestic partner laws, too?

BTW, I fully expect to see legalized gay marriage in CA soon, which will be a good thing for the state, even if the only result is to get bigots like Mindia to move out.

-Arlos

Arlos, I really need to speak openly about you. You are a moron. I don't care what you claim your IQ to be, or how many IT classes you've taken. You have displayed over and over again your lack of ability to comprehend what people say, what they mean, and what direction they are going. It's pretty basic stuff. You really aren't that intelligent. I have stated numerous times that I am all for domestic partnership benefits for homosexual couples, but that I do not support gay marriage. How many more times will I have to utter those words before they sink into your amoeba-sized "brain?" You can label me a bigot, or whatever snyde comment makes you feel better about calling people who don't belong to the same school of thought as you. I think you're a closeted homosexual, and you only have one emotion to display when confronting opposing viewpoints to your own, and to your lifestyle... rage. You need to grow up already. I'm guessing you're in your mid-to-late twenties, and you still don't understand life. You need to open up a can of reality and take a big swig. There's lots of folks in America that don't agree to homosexual marriage. I'm a California Native. Born and raised here. Why don't YOU and your ilk get the hell out. Go move to Oregon or some other assbackwards state.

[veeneedefeesh]

I don't understand why people would giving a flying fuck who got married

Because it draws attention away from the horrible condition our economy is in, the war in the middle east that is greatly profiting the oil companies and their EX VICE PRESIDENT WHO NOW IS VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED FUCKING STATES, and the fact that we elected a man TWICE to the highest office in our country that cant even say the word nuclear (I think that if you can't pronounce it you shouldnt have any control over it) , and the fact that your personal rights have been almost completely eradicated under the patriot act, and the horribly wasteful institution that is homeland security and a host of other things that are being done right under your nose while you are worried about whether one buttfucker should be allowed to marry another buttfucker.

Gay marrige is not an issue, it is a diversion!

[Jei]

refer to mappatazee's post above

thread over

[Narrock]

:balloons: Go Cali

Um, yes.

"The fact is plain and simple," he said. "There is a group of people who, for whatever reason, do not like gays and cannot tolerate the idea of two women sleeping together or two men sleeping together. To put that into the constitution... is simply unconscionable."

Mindia, I could give 2 shits as to what your bible quotes on homosexuality, but the fact is plain and simple, you don't have the right to decide what should and shouldn't be a couple. These are grown adults in mutually concensual relationships we're talking about. Your argument for why this should have gone through is the SAME as what was said over 40 years ago when people were trying to stop blacks and whites from marrying and having children, and it's utterly ridiculous.

But some very good advice was given - here, I'll reiterate:

heres an idea - move to north carolina, join the rest of your klan buddies and live happily ever after

California is MY state. I will continue to fight the good fight until my last day on earth. People like you are only minor road bumps to progress. Be rest assured... this decision will be overturned by the people. Just give it some time.