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Postby Jimmy Durante » Tue May 24, 2005 8:00 am

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ALTA FLORESTA, Brazil (Reuters) - In the heart of what is known in Brazil's Amazon as the "arc of deforestation" it is clear that the fight to save the jungle is being lost.

During a tour by plane of the area, this reporter could see vast tracts of cleared land with grazing cattle or cultivated fields that have been gouged out of the forest.

The land is irresistible for farmers seeking to expand and benefit from Brazil's agricultural boom.

The arc is the front line in the battle over the Amazon.

In 2004 the government decided to make a stand in this half-moon shaped area stretching along the southern and eastern edges of the Amazon. A year later, environmentalists and government officials have little to show for the effort.

The government said on Wednesday that deforestation jumped to its second highest level on record in 2003-2004, to 10,088 square miles -- an area nearly the size of Belgium and slightly bigger than the U.S. state of New Hampshire.

Just under 20 percent of the world's largest tropical forest, which is home to an estimated 30 percent of the world's animal and plant species, has now been destroyed.

Even if last year was below the deforestation record of 11,216 square miles reached in 1994-1995, the deforestation levels during the past three years have never been so consistently high, all above 20,000 square km.

The Green Party quit President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva's center-left ruling coalition on Thursday in anger at the figures.

"The terrible data reflects not just a failure of implementation of the government's plan but also the contradiction the government has in containing deforestation or promoting agriculture for exports," Greenpeace Amazon coordinator Paulo Adaria said.

On the ground in Alta Floresta, a hot spot for deforestation in the southern Amazon, the government's environmental agency Ibama has just three full-time employees to monitor an area of 21,621 square miles.

"Since January (the end of the rainy season) the chainsaws have started roaring and we don't have the necessary agility," said Mauro Baldini, an Ibama environmental analyst in Alta Floresta.

"AFTER THE FISH HAVE DIED"

"We are arriving after the fish have died and the trees have been felled," he said.

An estimated 350 logging companies operate in the region.

A preliminary report by Greenpeace found that just three of 19 Ibama posts earmarked to get extra funding have received anything from the government's plan to fight deforestation since it was launched in March 2004. Baldini's post is one of the three.

Environmentalists say deforestation is driven by illegal loggers first moving in, followed by land speculators or farmers. In the Alta Floresta region their arrival is spurred by the planned paving of a road linking Cuiaba in Mato Grosso state to Santarem, hundreds of miles further north through virgin forest.

Environmentalists say the pattern is familiar -- when loggers and farmers know roads are coming they race to cut down forest to get land which they will make a profit on.

The building of a highway from capital Brasilia in the center of Brazil to Belem on the mouth of the Amazon River several decades ago led to mass destruction of the eastern Amazon.

The pattern can be seen perfectly in the town of Novo Progresso, just north of Alta Floresta in the state of Para, where an estimated 80 percent of land registrations are illegal, according to the Greenpeace report. Logging represents 17 percent of the poor state of Para's economic output.

"Who comes here dreams of becoming rich quickly," said Baldini. "In their dreams there is no forest, which can be cut down to create the fields of their dreams, with cattle and soy."

High world prices for Brazil's leading farm goods, such as soy which fetched around $10 billion in exports last year, are making farming very attractive in Brazil.

The powerful farm sectors' soaring profits are making the government's job of controlling deforestation that much harder, not least because many government officials see the sector as key to Brazil's soaring export boom.

Environmentalists fear this may represent an insurmountable challenge for the government. The fact that the government did not discuss the deforestation figures with environmentalists, as they do every year, before releasing them this time could have been an ominous sign.

"It looks like they no longer believe in the possibility of calling on society to react to this and they are trying to diminish the importance of the deforestation," said Roberto Smeraldi, director of
Friends of the Earth in Brazil.

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Postby Gidan » Tue May 24, 2005 11:07 am

Really sucks that people couldn't care less about the enviornment. All they see is $$, they couldn't care less becasue it will probably never effect them in their lifetime. They dont think to the future generations.

Makes me sick to think of all the people who would rip apart a necessary part of the enviornment knowingly and not care because it pays well.
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Postby Lyion » Tue May 24, 2005 11:15 am

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Postby Diekan » Tue May 24, 2005 12:55 pm

You can thank your Republican friends.
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Postby Yamori » Tue May 24, 2005 1:02 pm

I may be incorrect, but in my meager understanding of how the environment works, I thought the vast majority (as in, 90+%) of oxygen created comes from the sea and not rainforests.

Just to play the devil's advocate, what is the worst thing that can happen if we lose rainforests?
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Postby Gidan » Tue May 24, 2005 1:18 pm

There is more to rainforests then the production of oxygen. They play a large role in the global enviornment, not to mention that about 30% of the species on this planet live in them.
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Postby Lyion » Tue May 24, 2005 1:41 pm

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Postby Gidan » Tue May 24, 2005 2:03 pm

Tropical rainforests are the oldest and certainly the most complex ecosystems on our planet. They influence wind, rainfall, humidity and temperature patterns, and are a crucial link in the ecological chain of life—recycling water, oxygen, and carbon dioxide, and reducing soil erosion, flooding, and air contamination on a global scale.

Tropical rainforests play other important roles in our daily lives. Estimated to house almost half of the world’s plant, animal, and insect life, the forests are the Earth’s primary gene pool from which foods, medicine, and other products for the industrialized world are derived including coffee, tea, sugar, pepper, spices, bananas, rubber, and oils. Tropical rainforest plants already provide one-quarter of today’s pharmaceuticals and, according to The National Cancer Institute, a full 70% of the plants useful in the treatment of cancer are to be found only in our disappearing rainforest.
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Postby Diekan » Tue May 24, 2005 2:42 pm

Gidan wrote:
Tropical rainforests are the oldest and certainly the most complex ecosystems on our planet. They influence wind, rainfall, humidity and temperature patterns, and are a crucial link in the ecological chain of life—recycling water, oxygen, and carbon dioxide, and reducing soil erosion, flooding, and air contamination on a global scale.

Tropical rainforests play other important roles in our daily lives. Estimated to house almost half of the world’s plant, animal, and insect life, the forests are the Earth’s primary gene pool from which foods, medicine, and other products for the industrialized world are derived including coffee, tea, sugar, pepper, spices, bananas, rubber, and oils. Tropical rainforest plants already provide one-quarter of today’s pharmaceuticals and, according to The National Cancer Institute, a full 70% of the plants useful in the treatment of cancer are to be found only in our disappearing rainforest.


You think the GOP gives a fuck about that?
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Postby Gidan » Tue May 24, 2005 2:55 pm

nope and neither do the other political groups. That is what makes me sick. They couldn't care less becasue it not them that will be hurt, it will line their pockets with money. The only thing they care about is themselves, they couldn't care less about anyone else.
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Postby Diekan » Tue May 24, 2005 3:04 pm

all the while ranting about how "Christain" they are.... very LOL.
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Postby Lyion » Tue May 24, 2005 3:24 pm

Yes, the DNC are good and benevolent and the GOP are evil and bad. :ugh:

The DNC would never pander to a religious or ethnic group underhandedly, by say, meeting in a Black Church.
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Postby Gidan » Tue May 24, 2005 3:51 pm

The DNC is just as bad. Overall, poloticians in general are all the same. Money+power > all.
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Postby Martrae » Tue May 24, 2005 3:52 pm

But you couldn't say that...you had to jump on the Republican-bashing hate brigade.
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Postby Diekan » Tue May 24, 2005 3:54 pm

Because he knows the real deal. Republicans don't give a flying fuck about anyone but themselves and their wallets.
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Postby Gidan » Tue May 24, 2005 3:55 pm

I edited my post to beter reflect what I was thinking at the time.
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Postby Lyion » Tue May 24, 2005 4:02 pm

Diekan wrote:Because he knows the real deal. Republicans don't give a flying fuck about anyone but themselves and their wallets.


And here I thought the GOP cared about everyone in that highest tax bracket.

I'm sure the solution for Ecco success is to tax everyone at 90% who makes more than 10 bucks an hour and have the Government control, regulate, and censor everything like the DNC wants to do, right Diek?
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Postby mofish » Tue May 24, 2005 4:20 pm

lyion wrote:the Government control, regulate, and censor everything like the DNC wants to do, right Diek?


I think youre confusing the DNC with the RNC

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Postby Lyion » Tue May 24, 2005 4:34 pm

Two words, Mofish: Tipper Gore.
Two more words: Walter Mondale.

Unfortunately given their recent copying of the DNCs 'promise everything' platform of the past the line between the GOP and DNC is indeed blurring.

The problem is the silly partisan bullshit that gets spewed by those who think their party is 'good' and the other party is 'evil'. I see it everytime I read a Mindia or Arlos post.
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Postby Captain Insano » Tue May 24, 2005 5:20 pm

As a cyborg I am not encumbered with the need for air or water. BURN ALL THE RAINFORESTS I SAY!



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Postby Captain Insano » Tue May 24, 2005 5:22 pm

If people really want to save the planet stop fucking breeding. Period. Everyone can have ONE kid. Thats it. I don't see any of the lazy, government cheese, hippie protesters supporting that little notion probably because they all have like 8 awful little brats.
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Postby Diekan » Tue May 24, 2005 5:25 pm

ralfmacchio wrote:If people really want to save the planet stop fucking breeding. Period. Everyone can have ONE kid. Thats it.


I concurn. It's fine to have one or two, but when you start going on to having 4 and 5... yeah... maybe it's time to slow a bit.
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Postby Narrock » Tue May 24, 2005 6:30 pm

Diekan wrote:Because he knows the real deal. Republicans don't give a flying fuck about anyone but themselves and their wallets.


That was a stupid comment.
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Postby Gidan » Tue May 24, 2005 7:26 pm

Mindia wrote:
Diekan wrote:Because he knows the real deal. Republicans don't give a flying fuck about anyone but themselves and their wallets.


That was a stupid comment.


If he meant it as the people who are making policy, then he is right. They dont care about anythign else, nor do democrates or independants.
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Postby Narrock » Tue May 24, 2005 7:43 pm

He said Republicans. I'm a republican. I care about the environment, children with diseases and viruses, wildlife, etc. I have a big heart. I give to charities. So, I resent that statement. My whole family is like that, and we're all republicans.
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