More evolutionary lies.

[Markarado]

You love to point out what you see as 'bad God' in the Bible. These were done for the purpose of the greater good. There are plenty of positive things done by God in the bible also.

[Narrock]

You love to point out what you see as 'bad God' in the Bible. These were done for the purpose of the greater good. There are plenty of positive things done by God in the bible also.

[Tikker]

what?

that didn't make any sense

if you PROVE god exists (ie, you show up at my door, turn my drinking water to wine, show me the future and the past blah blah blah) why in the world would I reject that?


that'd be like if you showed up in my car, and handed me a sports almanac from the future, and tuned into a football game and showed it predicted the right scores

I'd have to belive you were from the future (and get rich quick omg. although I'd like to think I'd buy a better trophy wife than Leah saggy eye what's her name)

If you are a true athiest, you would reject the fact that it was god because to you god does not exist. If god does not exist then this can not possible be god at yoru from door, there must be some other explanation for it.

If you do accept that it is god, then your not an extreme Athiest. When presented with facts you are willing to weight them against your personal beliefs and if the facts show you to be wrong, you are willing to change your beliefs. Extremes tend not to be willing to change their beliefs regadless of the facts that are presented to them simply becasue they honestly believe that they are right therefor your facts must be wrong.

A true Athiest believes 100% that there is no God, even when presented with evidence, they would conclude that the evidence must be wrong because they truely beleive god doesn't exist.

If you can say that you would change your view on the existance of God when new information became available to you, then a small part of you must think that it could be possible that their could be a god.

you're not making much sense to me

I am willing to believe anything that you can prove to me.

It doesn't matter what my current belief system is, if you can show me concrete evidence to the contrary, I'm more than willing to follow the truth
To not believe something that you've personally seen proof of, doesn't make a lot of sense

I ask you this. If you are so confident in your assertion that there could not be a god, no way no how. How is it possible for you to accept any proof that there is a god? If you truely believed god doesn't exist, you would have to come to the conclusion that the exidence of God is wrong.

Why would I refuse to accept evidence contrary to what I believe?
That doesn't make a lot of sense

If I believe that the world is resting on atlas's shoulders, but you launch me into space so that I can see for myself that that's not really how it works, how retarded would I be to refuse to admit my previous belief was wrong, and that yes, the earth is a ball of dirt hurling thru space?

[Tossica]

But Tikker, if you wish really, really hard and have enough faith the world WILL be resting on Atlas's shoulders.

[alezrik]

I guess greater good depends on what side of the ark you were on, just like Hitler's greater good for society depended on what side of the jewish faith you were on. But of course the alien Yahweh couldnt have alterier motives for anything, afterall he created man in his own image.

[Gidan]

what?

that didn't make any sense

if you PROVE god exists (ie, you show up at my door, turn my drinking water to wine, show me the future and the past blah blah blah) why in the world would I reject that?


that'd be like if you showed up in my car, and handed me a sports almanac from the future, and tuned into a football game and showed it predicted the right scores

I'd have to belive you were from the future (and get rich quick omg. although I'd like to think I'd buy a better trophy wife than Leah saggy eye what's her name)

If you are a true athiest, you would reject the fact that it was god because to you god does not exist. If god does not exist then this can not possible be god at yoru from door, there must be some other explanation for it.

If you do accept that it is god, then your not an extreme Athiest. When presented with facts you are willing to weight them against your personal beliefs and if the facts show you to be wrong, you are willing to change your beliefs. Extremes tend not to be willing to change their beliefs regadless of the facts that are presented to them simply becasue they honestly believe that they are right therefor your facts must be wrong.

A true Athiest believes 100% that there is no God, even when presented with evidence, they would conclude that the evidence must be wrong because they truely beleive god doesn't exist.

If you can say that you would change your view on the existance of God when new information became available to you, then a small part of you must think that it could be possible that their could be a god.

you're not making much sense to me

I am willing to believe anything that you can prove to me.

It doesn't matter what my current belief system is, if you can show me concrete evidence to the contrary, I'm more than willing to follow the truth
To not believe something that you've personally seen proof of, doesn't make a lot of sense

I ask you this. If you are so confident in your assertion that there could not be a god, no way no how. How is it possible for you to accept any proof that there is a god? If you truely believed god doesn't exist, you would have to come to the conclusion that the exidence of God is wrong.

Why would I refuse to accept evidence contrary to what I believe?
That doesn't make a lot of sense

If I believe that the world is resting on atlas's shoulders, but you launch me into space so that I can see for myself that that's not really how it works, how retarded would I be to refuse to admit my previous belief was wrong, and that yes, the earth is a ball of dirt hurling thru space?

This is because you are willing to weigh evidence against your beliefs. If you see something that doesn't match your beliefs, you are willing to change your beliefs.

You need to look at this through different eyes.

Lets say you are a person who believes there is not a possible way god can exist. It just cant happen. Somone shows you hard proof that god does in fact exist. When you look at that proof you more then likly will say its faulty because god doesn't exist and any evidence that prooves he does exist must therefore be false. Remember you are starting this off at the point where no matter what, god does not exist. Nothing somone could show you would be able to convice you that god does exist becaseu you know god doesn't exist. To you this is a fact, not something up for debate. If you know for a fact that god doesn't exist, then anything shwo proves that he does exist must be false.

Remember, extremest are not rational. Take a good look at the flat earth society. They are the perfect example, no matter how much proof you give them, they refuse to believe the earch is not flat. Extreme Athieism is exactly the same, no matter how much proof you presented them with, they would not believe that god does really exist.

[Agrajag]

Actually, a true Atheist is that way because he/she believes in cold, hard facts. If you were to give me solid proof of the existence of God, I would have no other recourse but to believe it. I would repent and beg His forgiveness.

The only proof I would be willing to believe, though, would be to meet the man himself and see him prove he was Him. But, we all know that won't happen.

Now that I have answered your question how about answering mine?

[Themosticles]

Now that I have answered your question how about answering mine?

Fair enough...

For me, as someone who's in the middle, it wouldn't be all too difficult a transition if tomorrow you came to my front door with "solid 100% proof" that God doesn't exist.

It would eliminate some questions and wonders I have and at the same time affirm others. I lost most of my faith long ago and have yet to "find" it again. (either b/c I haven't really been looking or I'm not satisfied with the answers) If it were proven either way I wouldn't have much trouble adjusting b/c I haven't totally abandoned either side.

Weak sauce answer, I know, but it only applies to me.

[Gidan]

if i have faith, it's big enough to accept all the knowlege and facts you throw at me, and make it part of it.

So, if it was proven, without a doubt, that God didn't exist where would your faith be then?

I dont have faith so its not much of an issue to me. If it was proven wihtout a doubt that god doesn't exist. Nothing would change in my world except I would be interested to see the reactions of my family.

[Gidan]

Actually, a true Atheist is that way because he/she believes in cold, hard facts. If you were to give me solid proof of the existence of God, I would have no other recourse but to believe it. I would repent and beg His forgiveness.

The only proof I would be willing to believe, though, would be to meet the man himself and see him prove he was Him. But, we all know that won't happen.

Now that I have answered your question how about answering mine?

If a true Atheist believes the way they do based on cold, hard facts. What are the cold hard facts that tell you god doesn't exist?

[Agrajag]

if i have faith, it's big enough to accept all the knowlege and facts you throw at me, and make it part of it.

So, if it was proven, without a doubt, that God didn't exist where would your faith be then?

I dont have faith so its not much of an issue to me. If it was proven wihtout a doubt that god doesn't exist. Nothing would change in my world except I would be interested to see the reactions of my family.

That is exactly why I asked my original question. I wanted to get honest reactions. But people took it as I was fishing for ammo. I was just trying to make an otherwise boring thread alittle more interesting with *gasp* honest answers.

[Gidan]

It was an interesting question. Unfortunatly the only people really answering it are people who really dont beleive in God or in the middle somewhere. I would be interested in seeing the answers of people who are all the way on the faith side.

[Ganzo]

if i have faith, it's big enough to accept all the knowlege and facts you throw at me, and make it part of it.

So, if it was proven, without a doubt, that God didn't exist where would your faith be then?

Defenition of faith is that it does not require prove, nor can be disproven.
You do not have faith so you are aplying believe in God to your concept of worldview, where everything can be proven or disproven, thus you cannot understand that you can't ask questions like this when they conected with faith. As i pointed out earlier this question is inline with "If God is almighty, can he create a rock so heavy that he cannot lift it." Questions like this are not there to be considered or answered, but to "shut up" people of faith.

[Tikker]

i guess that's what I've always wondered ganzo


how/why do you start believing in something that you can't prove/see evidence of?

and moreso, how do end up believing so strongly that you're willing to ignore evidence to he contrary?

[Agrajag]

It's learned. Actually, it is instilled in you by your parents or whoever raises you.

[Ganzo]

and moreso, how do end up believing so strongly that you're willing to ignore evidence to he contrary?

what evidence? You not going to try and tell me you can show me evidence that God does not exist are you?

As to why i believe, it's because everything in my life tells me there is God. It's more of a feeling than knowlege.

[Agrajag]

I believe he is trying to ask how you could ignore evidence if there was some to the contrary.

I personally think that people who use the

Defenition of faith is that it does not require prove, nor can be disproven.

as an excuse to not answer a question are weak.

Faith [fayth] (noun) : Belief in, devotion to, or trust in somebody or something, especially without logical proof.

Nowhere in any of the places that I looked did it say "nor can be disproven." I also thought it was funny that most definitions that I did find all said "without LOGICAL proof."

[Ganzo]

I personally think that people who use the

Defenition of faith is that it does not require prove, nor can be disproven.

as an excuse to not answer a question are weak.

I personaly think you're not very bright, but it has nothing to do with the topic ether.

as far as how i could ignore evidence, "if there was some"; all i can say is If grandma had balls she would be grandpa

[Tikker]

and moreso, how do end up believing so strongly that you're willing to ignore evidence to he contrary?

what evidence? You not going to try and tell me you can show me evidence that God does not exist are you?

As to why i believe, it's because everything in my life tells me there is God. It's more of a feeling than knowlege.

No, i'm not trying to tell you anything, one way or the other


I'm asking you to tell me WHY you believe

[Ganzo]

and moreso, how do end up believing so strongly that you're willing to ignore evidence to he contrary?

what evidence? You not going to try and tell me you can show me evidence that God does not exist are you?

As to why i believe, it's because everything in my life tells me there is God. It's more of a feeling than knowlege.

No, i'm not trying to tell you anything, one way or the other


I'm asking you to tell me WHY you believe

As to why i believe, it's because everything in my life tells me there is God. It's more of a feeling than knowlege.

[Themosticles]

Nm, Ganzo beat me too it

[Tikker]

and moreso, how do end up believing so strongly that you're willing to ignore evidence to he contrary?

what evidence? You not going to try and tell me you can show me evidence that God does not exist are you?

As to why i believe, it's because everything in my life tells me there is God. It's more of a feeling than knowlege.

No, i'm not trying to tell you anything, one way or the other


I'm asking you to tell me WHY you believe

As to why i believe, it's because everything in my life tells me there is God. It's more of a feeling than knowlege.

so the answer is "just cause" ?
I know it's hard to pinpoint, but humour me and try to expound upon "i believe because I believe"

I'm actually having a hard time trying to define what I'm asking =\

Why do you believe in the Jewish version of God as opposed to the Muslim,catholic, hindu, etc version?

[Ganzo]

I'm actually having a hard time trying to define what I'm asking =\

I garante it's much harder for me to define why i believe.

As to why Jewish, cause that's one that feels right.

[Narrock]

Now Tikker's going to come back with the inevitable, "but what about the Muslims? Don't you think their God feels right to them?" so predictable...

[Yamori]

Hrm, so you believe because of your feelings.

I don't trust my feelings. Thats why I prefer logic.