You just proved my point Yamori, yet you don't even see it. THE SOUTH wanted this and the SOUTH wanted that... blah blah blah. The SOUTH was not equal to what the country as a whole wanted. Copout? LOL, no. Your boat just sunk to the bottom of Davy Jones' locker.
I could argue that most people in the north didn't give a shit about what happened to the black man, and that it was a small minority (and a few politicians when new states were created) making an uproar about slavery until the very END of the civil war where they made freeing the slaves an issue to boost morale. But whatever.
Ok, how about this.
During REVOLUTIONARY times, the majority was for slavery and the refusal of political rights to women and blacks.
You , Arlos, Gidan, Rust, and the rest of your ilk all subscribe to the same puerile points of view, thus giving yourselves a strong support network... /snooze So, lauding yourselves as victorious in any thread is completely laughable.
Haha, my "ilk." Good one. I disagree with them on plenty of issues. I'm sure we disagree like hell ass when it comes to economics.
You just proved my point Yamori, yet you don't even see it. THE SOUTH wanted this and the SOUTH wanted that... blah blah blah. The SOUTH was not equal to what the country as a whole wanted. Copout? LOL, no. Your boat just sunk to the bottom of Davy Jones' locker.
I could argue that most people in the north didn't give a shit about what happened to the black man, and that it was a small minority (and a few politicians when new states were created) making an uproar about slavery until the very END of the civil war where they made freeing the slaves an issue to boost morale. But whatever.
Ok, how about this.
During REVOLUTIONARY times, the majority was for slavery and the refusal of political rights to women and blacks.
You , Arlos, Gidan, Rust, and the rest of your ilk all subscribe to the same puerile points of view, thus giving yourselves a strong support network... /snooze So, lauding yourselves as victorious in any thread is completely laughable.
Haha, my "ilk." Good one. I disagree with them on plenty of issues. I'm sure we disagree like hell ass when it comes to economics.
I doubt I'm in any "ilk" on this board.
Nice backpedal attempt, but... no. You align yourself more with left-leaning philosphies than right. You cannot win this argument.
“The more I study science the more I believe in God.” -- Albert Einstein
Of course the war protestors were against it. The type of idiots who waved the "No War for Oil" signs last year are the same type of idiots we saw in the late 60's to early 70's waving the "Baby Killers" signs at the US GI's returning home from Vietnam.
“The more I study science the more I believe in God.” -- Albert Einstein
Nice backpedal attempt, but... no. You align yourself more with left-leaning philosphies than right. You cannot win this argument.
I'm just about as liberal as the founding fathers were... I'm a constitutionalist who is conservative on economics and liberal on some social issues (excluding gun control, and affirmative action or hatecrimes).
Nice backpedal attempt, but... no. You align yourself more with left-leaning philosphies than right. You cannot win this argument.
I'm just about as liberal as the founding fathers were... I'm a constitutionalist who is conservative on economics and liberal on some social issues (excluding gun control, and affirmative action or hatecrimes).
If I had to pick, I lean more right than left.
Well, I am glad to hear that then.
“The more I study science the more I believe in God.” -- Albert Einstein
Mindia wrote:Of course the war protestors were against it. The type of idiots who waved the "No War for Oil" signs last year are the same type of idiots we saw in the late 60's to early 70's waving the "Baby Killers" signs at the US GI's returning home from Vietnam.
I was not yet born at the time, but my understanding of it from talking with friends and relatives that were was that the people "baby killer" signs were the extremist minority. Many people did not support the war, and didn't like the fact that we were involved, but they didn't blame our troops. I don't think you can group every Vietnam war protester in the Jane Fonda camp.
Raymond S. Kraft wrote:The history of the world is the history of civilizational clashes, cultural clashes. All wars are about ideas, ideas about what society and civilization should be like, and the most determined always win.
Those who are willing to be the most ruthless always win. The pacifists always lose, because the anti-pacifists kill them.
Mindia wrote:Of course the war protestors were against it. The type of idiots who waved the "No War for Oil" signs last year are the same type of idiots we saw in the late 60's to early 70's waving the "Baby Killers" signs at the US GI's returning home from Vietnam.
I was not yet born at the time, but my understanding of it from talking with friends and relatives that were was that the people "baby killer" signs were the extremist minority. Many people did not support the war, and didn't like the fact that we were involved, but they didn't blame our troops. I don't think you can group every Vietnam war protester in the Jane Fonda camp.
I wasn't lumping them all in with the Jane Fonda crowd, but just take a look at the mindset of protestors... that kind of just speaks for itself.
“The more I study science the more I believe in God.” -- Albert Einstein
hey so I heard this thread was about Terry Schiavo
guess that wasn't true though
"I think you may be confusing government running amok with government doing stuff you don't like. See, you're in the minority now. It's supposed to taste like a shit taco." - Jon Stewart
Mindia wrote:Of course the war protestors were against it. The type of idiots who waved the "No War for Oil" signs last year are the same type of idiots we saw in the late 60's to early 70's waving the "Baby Killers" signs at the US GI's returning home from Vietnam.
I was not yet born at the time, but my understanding of it from talking with friends and relatives that were was that the people "baby killer" signs were the extremist minority. Many people did not support the war, and didn't like the fact that we were involved, but they didn't blame our troops. I don't think you can group every Vietnam war protester in the Jane Fonda camp.
I wasn't lumping them all in with the Jane Fonda crowd, but just take a look at the mindset of protestors... that kind of just speaks for itself.
Does that go for all protesters? I have seen far more religious protesters then anything else. Most of the Christian or Catholic.
For to win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the acme of skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the acme of skill.
Mindia wrote:Of course the war protestors were against it. The type of idiots who waved the "No War for Oil" signs last year are the same type of idiots we saw in the late 60's to early 70's waving the "Baby Killers" signs at the US GI's returning home from Vietnam.
I was not yet born at the time, but my understanding of it from talking with friends and relatives that were was that the people "baby killer" signs were the extremist minority. Many people did not support the war, and didn't like the fact that we were involved, but they didn't blame our troops. I don't think you can group every Vietnam war protester in the Jane Fonda camp.
I wasn't lumping them all in with the Jane Fonda crowd, but just take a look at the mindset of protestors... that kind of just speaks for itself.
Does that go for all protesters? I have seen far more religious protesters then anything else. Most of the Christian or Catholic.
What does Mindia think of Fred Phelps, I wonder?
--R.
Rust Martialis -- Spiritwatcher of War/Valorguard/The Nameless
"There are angels on our curtains; they keep the outside out. And there are lions on our curtains; they lick their wounds, they lick their doubt." -- 'Curtains', Peter Gabriel
Gypsiyee wrote:hey so I heard this thread was about Terry Schiavo
guess that wasn't true though
Indeed...I must have taken a wrong turn somewhere....
No this thread is now about the fact that this thread is no longer about Terry Shiavo.
Raymond S. Kraft wrote:The history of the world is the history of civilizational clashes, cultural clashes. All wars are about ideas, ideas about what society and civilization should be like, and the most determined always win.
Those who are willing to be the most ruthless always win. The pacifists always lose, because the anti-pacifists kill them.
Mindia wrote:Of course the war protestors were against it. The type of idiots who waved the "No War for Oil" signs last year are the same type of idiots we saw in the late 60's to early 70's waving the "Baby Killers" signs at the US GI's returning home from Vietnam.
I was not yet born at the time, but my understanding of it from talking with friends and relatives that were was that the people "baby killer" signs were the extremist minority. Many people did not support the war, and didn't like the fact that we were involved, but they didn't blame our troops. I don't think you can group every Vietnam war protester in the Jane Fonda camp.
I wasn't lumping them all in with the Jane Fonda crowd, but just take a look at the mindset of protestors... that kind of just speaks for itself.
Does that go for all protesters? I have seen far more religious protesters then anything else. Most of the Christian or Catholic.
I think I may have seen a few religious protestors but they don't really stand out in my mind.
“The more I study science the more I believe in God.” -- Albert Einstein
Mindia wrote:Of course the war protestors were against it. The type of idiots who waved the "No War for Oil" signs last year are the same type of idiots we saw in the late 60's to early 70's waving the "Baby Killers" signs at the US GI's returning home from Vietnam.
I was not yet born at the time, but my understanding of it from talking with friends and relatives that were was that the people "baby killer" signs were the extremist minority. Many people did not support the war, and didn't like the fact that we were involved, but they didn't blame our troops. I don't think you can group every Vietnam war protester in the Jane Fonda camp.
I wasn't lumping them all in with the Jane Fonda crowd, but just take a look at the mindset of protestors... that kind of just speaks for itself.
Does that go for all protesters? I have seen far more religious protesters then anything else. Most of the Christian or Catholic.
What does Mindia think of Fred Phelps, I wonder?
--R.
I think Fred Phelps is a fanatic.
“The more I study science the more I believe in God.” -- Albert Einstein
Mindia wrote:Of course the war protestors were against it. The type of idiots who waved the "No War for Oil" signs last year are the same type of idiots we saw in the late 60's to early 70's waving the "Baby Killers" signs at the US GI's returning home from Vietnam.
I was not yet born at the time, but my understanding of it from talking with friends and relatives that were was that the people "baby killer" signs were the extremist minority. Many people did not support the war, and didn't like the fact that we were involved, but they didn't blame our troops. I don't think you can group every Vietnam war protester in the Jane Fonda camp.
I wasn't lumping them all in with the Jane Fonda crowd, but just take a look at the mindset of protestors... that kind of just speaks for itself.
Does that go for all protesters? I have seen far more religious protesters then anything else. Most of the Christian or Catholic.
I think I may have seen a few religious protestors but they don't really stand out in my mind.
I remember every single morning passing a group of chrisitan protesters at every single planned parenthood in the area of NY I lived. They stood out there from 7am to 7pm 7 days a week. Always screaming and yelling, taking pictures of the girls going in every girl regadless of why she was there and telling them they are going to post the pictures all over the internet as the murderes they were.
The ones at the Planned Parenthood closest to me would een come as a group on Sunday morning. THey would goto church at 6am, then straight from church in 1 big van they would go straight to the Planned Parenthood.
My graduation was protested by christians because the speaker was pro choice and didn't hate gays.
My GF graduation at the time was protested by christians.
I can go on and on, 99% of the protesters I have seen were religious almost all chrisitan.
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For to win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the acme of skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the acme of skill.
