Have you heard god? Have you touched god? Have you smelled god? Have you felt god? Have you seen god? Have you 6th-sense-ESP-telepathied god?
Ill save you the time and answer for you : no
Have you heard a black hole? Have you touched a black hole? Have you smelled a black hole? Have you felt a black hole? Have you seen a black hole? Have you 6th-sense-ESP-telepathied a black hole?
Ill save you the time and answer for you : no
Yet you believe in them. You have faith that they exist based on "evidence" that may or may not prove one day to be true.
Do virii exist?
Does the internet exist?
Does electricity exist?
-Adam
That was a retarded attempt...
Yes, I've gotten many
Yes, we're all using it right now
Yes, I've felt it unfortunately and seen it
How do you like this spoiler, motherfucker? -Lyion
Markarado wrote:Tikker I can't tell you why I believe. All I can tell you is that I know that God exists. You're wrong and I'm right. Simply stated.
And this is an unarguable claim.
The usual phrasing in english would be you have 'faith' that God exists, I think. 'Know' usually indicates some sort of evidence, as in 'knowledge is justified true belief', a common definition. Given your statement above, I don't think 'know' is the proper term.
But there's no arguing about faith. Faith transcends fact and evidence.
--R.
Rust Martialis -- Spiritwatcher of War/Valorguard/The Nameless
"There are angels on our curtains; they keep the outside out. And there are lions on our curtains; they lick their wounds, they lick their doubt." -- 'Curtains', Peter Gabriel
What science discusses is HOW we got from, say, primitive cyanobacteria to humans, dogs, mushrooms, fish, etc.
No, evolution does. Evolution is a theory that not all scientists believe in. The key word is believe, as a belief is all it is.
Right, evolution is the accepted scientific explanation of the life we see around us. Some fringe cranks don't accept that explanation, but that's about as relevant to science as the cranks who think the Earth is flat, or 10000 years old, or that relativity theory is untrue, that they've invented a perpetual motion machine, or that HIV doesn't cause AIDS. Heck, name a scientific theory that DOESN'T have some nutbars writing letters to the paper claiming they've disproven it.
If you have faith that evolution is false, so be it. If you want to make scientific claims based on evidence that evolution is false, go for it, but be prepared to be laughed at, and don't whine about religious persecution when you get your ass handed to you on a plate.
--R.
Rust Martialis -- Spiritwatcher of War/Valorguard/The Nameless
"There are angels on our curtains; they keep the outside out. And there are lions on our curtains; they lick their wounds, they lick their doubt." -- 'Curtains', Peter Gabriel
alezrik wrote:Doesn't it concern you that you have promised your eternal soul to a powerful omipetent being that without rhyme or reason, but based just on a feeling of faith, you believe is a god of ultimate love.
In the bible it seems he never wanted mankind to know the difference between good and evil from the tree of knowledge. I would think that a god of goodness and love would want his creation to hold the ideal of telling the difference between good and evil as something of ultimate importance for them to know.
If there is no god, then we don't have an "eternal soul" to worry about. So no, I'm not the least bit concerned.
Have you heard god? Have you touched god? Have you smelled god? Have you felt god? Have you seen god? Have you 6th-sense-ESP-telepathied god?
Ill save you the time and answer for you : no
Have you heard a black hole? Have you touched a black hole? Have you smelled a black hole? Have you felt a black hole? Have you seen a black hole? Have you 6th-sense-ESP-telepathied a black hole?
Ill save you the time and answer for you : no
Yet you believe in them. You have faith that they exist based on "evidence" that may or may not prove one day to be true.
Do virii exist?
Does the internet exist?
Does electricity exist?
-Adam
That was a retarded attempt...
Yes, I've gotten many
Yes, we're all using it right now
Yes, I've felt it unfortunately and seen it
Prove that they exist without using science.
The Internet is not tangible, we interpert it as a singular thing, when in fact it is comprised of many tangible seperate occurances that we see through monitors. Just like black holes.
You don't see electricity itself, you see what it causes when it arcs. Similarly, you can feel it. Similar to a blackhole.
on-existance of one does not mean the other does not exist as well.
ie you can have eternals souls without there being a god and vica vera there can be god without external souls as well.
Aavar wrote:God and eternal souls are not mutally inclusive,
on-existance of one does not mean the other does not exist as well. ie you can have eternals souls without there being a god and vica vera there can be god without external souls as well.
Elaborate please. Where does soul come from and where does it go after death in this Godless universe theory
I would tend to believe there is no such thing as a "soul." That's just my belief, though. No proof that there is, no proof there is not. I'm going with the "not a soul."
Aavar wrote:God and eternal souls are not mutally inclusive,
on-existance of one does not mean the other does not exist as well. ie you can have eternals souls without there being a god and vica vera there can be god without external souls as well.
Elaborate please. Where does soul come from and where does it go after death in this Godless universe theory
Same place the Universe came from.
--R.
Rust Martialis -- Spiritwatcher of War/Valorguard/The Nameless
"There are angels on our curtains; they keep the outside out. And there are lions on our curtains; they lick their wounds, they lick their doubt." -- 'Curtains', Peter Gabriel
How can you even say that with certainty without feeling like the retard you are?
Probably the general lack of evidence for the existence of souls.
But then you knew that, being wise far beyond your limited years and basic lack of education, right? Right?
--R.
Rust Martialis -- Spiritwatcher of War/Valorguard/The Nameless
"There are angels on our curtains; they keep the outside out. And there are lions on our curtains; they lick their wounds, they lick their doubt." -- 'Curtains', Peter Gabriel
15 years later and I'm basically a more hardcore leftist than anyone on here besides perhaps Brin, and reading these posts makes my fucking soul hurt. (lol there is indeed no such thing)
[quote="Harrison"]15 years later and I'm basically a more hardcore leftist than anyone on here besides perhaps Brin, and reading these posts makes my fucking soul hurt. (lol there is indeed no such thing)[/quote]
Welcome to the team! I knew you'd come around eventually.
