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[Narrock]

Ahh! Typical closed-minded Mindia. What else did we expect?

Ahh! typical stupid closed-minded Agrajag post... What else should we expect?

I actually didn't expect anything else out of Lyion other than to post garbage and drivel from an anti-Adventist site. It just proves his ignorance and lack of knowledge.

[Yamori]

WHO CARES

We're talking about my main man satan here!!

[Narrock]

WHO CARES

We're talking about my main man satan here!!

Why? I don't get the fascination...

[Lyion]

And yet you discuss or debate nothing. You merely go 'neener neener' I am right, you are wrong. Let's try again.

The Adventist church is founded on the beliefs of Ellen White. That is a fact. You saying your church doesn't follow it is like a mormon saying his church doesn't believe in Joseph Smith.

Do you NOT follow the tenants of the SDA religion?

Do you believe death is the sleep of people before the ressurection?

Based on your comments, its hard to believe you do not think the Pope is the Anti Christ.

The Saturday Sabbath belief has been broached before.

Do you not comprehend or believe in SDA's views on Ellen White

One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is prophecy. This gift is an identifying mark of the remnant church and was manifested in the ministry of Ellen G. White. As the Lord's messenger, her writings are a continuing and authoritative source of truth which provide for the church comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction.

Again, I'm confused. You say you aren't an Adventist, then you are. Which is it? Or are you a cafeteria Adventist?

[Witty]

nobody post until mindia answers the questions, er, besides me...

[Narrock]

And yet you discuss or debate nothing. You merely go 'neener neener' I am right, you are wrong. Let's try again.

The Adventist church is founded on the beliefs of Ellen White. That is a fact. You saying your church doesn't follow it is like a mormon saying his church doesn't believe in Joseph Smith.

Do you NOT follow the tenants of the SDA religion?

Do you believe death is the sleep of people before the ressurection?

Based on your comments, its hard to believe you do not think the Pope is the Anti Christ.

The Saturday Sabbath belief has been broached before.

Do you not comprehend or believe in SDA's views on Ellen White

One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is prophecy. This gift is an identifying mark of the remnant church and was manifested in the ministry of Ellen G. White. As the Lord's messenger, her writings are a continuing and authoritative source of truth which provide for the church comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction.

Again, I'm confused. You say you aren't an Adventist, then you are. Which is it? Or are you a cafeteria Adventist?

I already answered this months ago. Ellen G. White led a lot of people to Christ, but one does not need to believe in her as prophet to become a member of the Adventist church. There it is, in its simplest form.

I'll say it again now for about the 18th time. Lyion, you really are retarded, btw... (no offense intended, just an observation). I believe EGW was a great person, a great writer, and has helped a lot of lost people find Christ, and has helped a great number of people to understand the Bible better.

I do not think of her as a non-canonical prophet as many Adventists do, and IT IS NOT A REQUIREMENT OF THE SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH TO THINK OF, AND/OR BELIEVE IN, ELLEN G. WHITE AS A PROPHET IN ORDER TO BECOME A MEMBER OF THE SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH.

Next time you think you can corner me on this issue, just refer to the official SDA website instead of your dumbass propaganda websites created by catholic cultists.

Here is the opening statement of the fundamental beliefs of the SDA church from the official SDA church website:
Fundamental Beliefs

Seventh-day Adventists accept the Bible as their only creed and hold certain fundamental beliefs to be the teaching of the Holy Scriptures. These beliefs, as set forth here, constitute the church's understanding and expression of the teaching of Scripture. Revision of these statements may be expected at a General Conference session when the church is led by the Holy Spirit to a fuller understanding of Bible truth or finds better language in which to express the teachings of God's Holy Word.

Here is what they say about EGW:

17. The Gift of Prophecy:
One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is prophecy. This gift is an identifying mark of the remnant church and was manifested in the ministry of Ellen. G. White . As the Lord's messenger, her writings are a continuing and authoritative source of truth which provide for the church comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction. They also make clear that the Bible is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested. (Joel 2:28, 29; Acts 2:14-21; Heb. 1:1-3; Rev. 12:17; 19:10.)

What does this mean to you? It means you should STFU because you consistently do not know what you're talking about in regards to the SDA church, and with religion in general. Good day.

[Tacks]

shut up

I Ellen G. Whited all over your wife's face last night

[Insanityfair]

1) EwwwW

2) Who is this wife? If I recall he's not married, but engaged?

[Tacks]

mormons like him have a few wives

teehee i just made fun of his religion which he's not even a part of!

[Insanityfair]

Oh noez! I'm so sure he shall be offended!

[Lyion]

17. The Gift of Prophecy:
One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is prophecy. This gift is an identifying mark of the remnant church and was manifested in the ministry of Ellen. G. White . As the Lord's messenger, her writings are a continuing and authoritative source of truth which provide for the church comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction. They also make clear that the Bible is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested. (Joel 2:28, 29; Acts 2:14-21; Heb. 1:1-3; Rev. 12:17; 19:10.)

That is one of the Fundamental Beliefs of the SDA creed FROM the SDA website and from their writings. Not mine. Theirs.

Again, you seem to speak from a position of ignorance in regards to the church you claim to be a part of.

Maybe continuing and authoritive source of truth means something else in Mindialand where the snozzberries taste like snozzberries, but for everyone else who has a grasp on reality it means exactly what it says.

I guess you aren't really an SDA, then. Although you seem to be a 'cafeteria' variety, picking and choosing what of their doctrine to believe.

[Narrock]

17. The Gift of Prophecy:
One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is prophecy. This gift is an identifying mark of the remnant church and was manifested in the ministry of Ellen. G. White . As the Lord's messenger, her writings are a continuing and authoritative source of truth which provide for the church comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction. They also make clear that the Bible is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested. (Joel 2:28, 29; Acts 2:14-21; Heb. 1:1-3; Rev. 12:17; 19:10.)

That is one of the Fundamental Beliefs of the SDA creed FROM the SDA website and from their writings. Not mine. Theirs.

Again, you seem to speak from a position of ignorance in regards to the church you claim to be a part of.

Maybe continuing and authoritive source of truth means something else in Mindialand where the snozzberries taste like snozzberries, but for everyone else who has a grasp on reality it means exactly what it says.

I guess you aren't really an SDA, then. Although you seem to be a 'cafeteria' variety, picking and choosing what of their doctrine to believe.

Comprehension skills are your friend, Lyion. You might want to pick up a self-help book on that subject and brush up on it.

[Tacks]

I'm not going to counter-point your statements and instead just do my neener-neener thing again like always! (as was predicted at the top of the page by Lyion)

[Lyion]

Explain to me what I'm not comprehending about SDAs?

I am a simple man. Continuing and Authoritive source of truth seems pretty straight forward to me. Is there some hidden puzzle palace cryptographic meaning in that part of the fundamental beliefs of SDAs that really doesn't mean what it says?

Answer the question, Claire!

[Narrock]

Behold:

Seventh-day Adventists accept the Bible as their only creed and hold certain fundamental beliefs to be the teaching of the Holy Scriptures. These beliefs, as set forth here, constitute the church's understanding and expression of the teaching of Scripture. Revision of these statements may be expected at a General Conference session when the church is led by the Holy Spirit to a fuller understanding of Bible truth or finds better language in which to express the teachings of God's Holy Word.

That is the core of SDA fundamental beliefs and doctrine. I am an SDA member in good standing. I know several other SDA's who feel exactly the same way as I do about EGW. That doesn't make them any less of a SDA than somebody who believes EGW was a prophet and that everything she said was true. Our pastor mentions EGW like 3 or 4 times a year, and it is never in a "prophetical" context.

I'm done with you. You know nothing about the SDA church. Go kneel down in front of a porcelain statue of Mary and worship her. Or better yet, go kneel down in front of a crucifix of Jesus... but I'll let you and all Catholics in on a little secret... Jesus came down off the cross. There's no need to keep putting Him back up on it again. Never mind, you'll never understand.

[Yamori]

I've never understood why christians are big on the cross. Wearing it around their necks and stuff.

Thats like wearing tiny little electric chairs or nooses around your neck as a modern day equivalent. 0.o

[Tacks]

my ass is as holy (teehee get it?!) as anything else, bow down to me

[Lyion]

One more time, Captain Ahab.

Note, the SDA website. Note the FUNDAMENTAL CORE BELIEFS. On the SAME PAGE AS that BRIEF outline of yours IS the post I've made several times that you are not addressing.

It is a FUNDAMENTAL BELIEF and PART OF THE DOCTRINE of the SDA according to the SDA.
You, yourself posted it. Now you are trying to say something that is a CORE church belief is not a core church belief?

Anyways, obviously you are not an SDA, because you do not support #17 of their core 27 fundamental points of belief.

You keep skirting the question, but anyone following the link can see the WHOLE belief system, and not just the parts you want to show.

here's the link

http://www.adventist.org/beliefs/fundamental/index.html

17. The Gift of Prophecy:
One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is prophecy. This gift is an identifying mark of the remnant church and was manifested in the ministry of Ellen. G. White . As the Lord's messenger, her writings are a continuing and authoritative source of truth which provide for the church comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction. They also make clear that the Bible is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested. (Joel 2:28, 29; Acts 2:14-21; Heb. 1:1-3; Rev. 12:17; 19:10.)

Now, do the 27 FUNDAMENTAL BELIEFS for SDA mean these beliefs are voluntary? Again, their website doesn't say that and this is the core of THAT religion, just like the Sabbath deal and the millenium and the age of sin

You are not an SDA if you do not adhere to this, so stop misrepresenting yourself as such.

[Yamori]

B..but Mindia knows more about religion than any of us! How dare you question him.

[Narrock]

One more time, Captain Ahab.

Note, the SDA website. Note the FUNDAMENTAL CORE BELIEFS. On the SAME PAGE AS that BRIEF outline of yours IS the post I've made several times that you are not addressing.

It is a FUNDAMENTAL BELIEF and PART OF THE DOCTRINE of the SDA according to the SDA.
You, yourself posted it. Now you are trying to say something that is a CORE church belief is not a core church belief?

Anyways, obviously you are not an SDA, because you do not support #17 of their core 27 fundamental points of belief.

You keep skirting the question, but anyone following the link can see the WHOLE belief system, and not just the parts you want to show.

here's the link

http://www.adventist.org/beliefs/fundamental/index.html

17. The Gift of Prophecy:
One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is prophecy. This gift is an identifying mark of the remnant church and was manifested in the ministry of Ellen. G. White . As the Lord's messenger, her writings are a continuing and authoritative source of truth which provide for the church comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction. They also make clear that the Bible is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested. (Joel 2:28, 29; Acts 2:14-21; Heb. 1:1-3; Rev. 12:17; 19:10.)

Now, do the 27 FUNDAMENTAL BELIEFS for SDA mean these beliefs are voluntary? Again, their website doesn't say that and this is the core of THAT religion, just like the Sabbath deal and the millenium and the age of sin

You are not an SDA if you do not adhere to this, so stop misrepresenting yourself as such.

I already answered your question. And to offer even further elabortion to your annoyingness... I even asked my pastor the same question a couple years ago. He completely understood where I was coming from, and he agreed, that one does not have to believe in EGW as a prophet to become a member of the SDA church. That is from an ordained minister of the SDA church who has taught on 5 continents. But you know better, don't you?

[Mop]

Mindai you have to admit it could be confusing when it is stated as a core belief that you dont have to really believe in

[Lyion]

I do. I can read! And again I'm getting all my info from the SDA site. Is the SDA site wrong?

Better contact them to correct it, as they need to take #17 of 27 of their fundamentalist doctrine out immediately!

http://www.adventist.org/beliefs/fundamental/index.html

17. The Gift of Prophecy:
One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is prophecy. This gift is an identifying mark of the remnant church and was manifested in the ministry of Ellen. G. White . As the Lord's messenger, her writings are a continuing and authoritative source of truth which provide for the church comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction. They also make clear that the Bible is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested. (Joel 2:28, 29; Acts 2:14-21; Heb. 1:1-3; Rev. 12:17; 19:10.)

Let me simplify the question further. Are the FUNDAMENTAL BELIEFS on the SDA site negotiable. In other words, can you follow some, but not others. That is what you are doing, you know.

How many times do I have to bold and post SDA fundamental belief #17 before you admit its part of the SDA?

Feel free to take a poll of ten random people and ask them if a FUNDAMENTAL TENANT to a church is something that is optional. I'd say no, personally, but I can't claim to understand SDAism.

[Narrock]

Well Lyion,

You can think what you want. I'm growing tired of having to repeat myself. Scroll up and reread. Best advice I can give you.

[Tikker]

Or better yet, go kneel down in front of a crucifix of Jesus... but I'll let you and all Catholics in on a little secret... Jesus came down off the cross. There's no need to keep putting Him back up on it again. Never mind, you'll never understand.

so, like, aren't you the one with a cross as an avatar, and a pic of jesus on the cross as a sig?

[Tikker]

it's ok Lyion, Mindia has been skipping a LOT of the fundamental beliefs

21. Christian Behavior:
We are called to be a godly people who think, feel, and act in harmony with the principles of heaven. For the Spirit to recreate in us the character of our Lord we involve ourselves only in those things which will produce Christlike purity, health, and joy in our lives. This means that our amusement and entertainment should meet the highest standards of Christian taste and beauty. While recognizing cultural differences, our dress is to be simple, modest, and neat, befitting those whose true beauty does not consist of outward adornment but in the imperishable ornament of a gentle and quiet spirit. It also means that because our bodies are the temples of the Holy Spirit, we are to care for them intelligently. Along with adequate exercise and rest, we are to adopt the most healthful diet possible and abstain from the unclean foods identified in the Scriptures. Since alcoholic beverages, tobacco, and the irresponsible use of drugs and narcotics are harmful to our bodies, we are to abstain from them as well. Instead, we are to engage in whatever brings our thoughts and bodies into the discipline of Christ, who desires our wholesomeness, joy, and goodness. (Rom. 12:1, 2; 1 John 2:6; Eph. 5:1-21; Phil. 4:8; 2 Cor. 10:5; 6:14-7:1; 1 Peter 3:1-4; 1 Cor. 6:19, 20; 10:31; Lev. 11:1-47; 3 John 2.)