Scary.. What you don't know about people

Post by **Lyion** » Mon Jun 27, 2005 11:37 am

Nobody had a clue this dude was the BTK guy..

Monday, June 27, 2005; Posted: 12:40 p.m. EDT (16:40 GMT)

WICHITA, Kansas (CNN) -- BTK killings suspect Dennis Rader pleaded guilty on Monday to 10 counts of first-degree murder, and matter-of-factly described how he committed the crimes that terrorized the Wichita, Kansas, area for decades.

Rader, 60, entered the plea on what was supposed to be the first day of his jury trial.

After the plea, Sedgwick County District Judge Greg Waller read each charge and asked Rader if he understood them.

At Waller's direction, Rader went down the list of charges, explaining in a calm, dispassionate voice how he carried out each of the killings.

Rader said he broke into the home of Joseph and Julie Otero and tied them up along with two of their children. He said he told them that he was wanted in California and put a pillow under Joseph Otero's head to make him more comfortable.

"I realized that, you know, I was already -- I didn't have a mask on or anything -- they already could I.D. me," Rader said. "I made a decision to go ahead and put 'em down, I guess, or strangle them."

Rader described how he killed each member of the Otero family, but said they did not die right away.

"I had never strangled anyone before, so I really didn't know how much pressure you had to put on a person or how long it would take," he said.

"BTK" was the killer's self-named reference to his preference to "bind, torture and kill" his victims in the string of murders from 1974 to 1991.

Rader explained how, in most of his cases, he chose and then stalked several people at a time -- referring to them as "projects" or "potential hits."

"If one didn't work out, I just moved to another one," Rader said.

Rader told the court he selected his victims as he played out fantasies. Asked what kinds of fantasies he was having, Rader said, "sexual fantasies."

Rader said he chose Shirley Vian, 26, at random and forced his way into her apartment with a .357 Magnum handgun on March 17, 1977. Her children "got real upset," so Rader had her lock them in a bathroom before covering her head with a bag and strangling her.

Rader told the judge he went through phases, stalking potential victims, then preparing a "hit kit," equipment he used in the killings, as well as "hit clothes" that he wore and later got rid of.

In more than one case, Rader said he took Polaroid photos of his victims. After killing Marine Hedge in April 1985, Rader said, he stripped his victim, tied her up, took her to another location, then took photos depicting "different forms of bondage" before hiding her body in a ditch.

After hearing descriptions of each of the 10 killings, Waller found Rader guilty of all charges. Rader also waived his right to a jury trial on the sentencing.

Under Kansas law, Raider can be sentenced to life in prison for each charge, but could become eligible for parole.

The last BTK killing occurred in 1991 after Kansas stiffened its murder statutes, which means Rader could be sentenced to a minimum 40 years in prison without a chance of parole on that count.

Waller set August 17 as the sentencing date.

Rader, who had been the president of his Lutheran church council, taunted authorities and the media with letters and packages he sent them over several years, some with before-and-after photos of the victims.

"BTK" was the killer's self-named reference to his preference to "bind, torture and kill" his victims in the string of murders from 1974 to 1991.

Christ Lutheran Church pastor Michael Clark said Rader, also a former Boy Scout leader, had been involved in church leadership for 30 years and was elected church council president just before his arrest.

Rader was arrested in what authorities said was a routine traffic stop. He worked for the Wichita suburb of Park City as a compliance supervisor in charge of animal control, nuisances, inoperable vehicles and general code compliance.

Authorities initially linked him to eight deaths, but added two more after this arrest.

Phlegm · Post by **Phlegm** » Mon Jun 27, 2005 11:56 am

church council president, boy scout leader, mass murder.... what doesnt fit?

Post by **Tossica** » Mon Jun 27, 2005 12:10 pm

Yeah. No suprises here. A murderous "christian"? *shock*

Narrock · Post by **Narrock** » Mon Jun 27, 2005 12:56 pm

It IS a shock actually :ugh:

veeneedefeesh · Post by **veeneedefeesh** » Mon Jun 27, 2005 1:02 pm

So did Father O'Maley ever own up to molesting you?

Tikker · Post by **Tikker** » Mon Jun 27, 2005 1:03 pm

why would it be a shock?

being religious and a whackjob aren't mutually exclusive

Tuggan · Post by **Tuggan** » Mon Jun 27, 2005 1:05 pm

of course not, just seems jesus seems to be an important part of many of the whackjobs lives.

Post by **Ganzo** » Mon Jun 27, 2005 1:31 pm

yes what's at fault here is his religion :ugh:

Narrock · Post by **Narrock** » Mon Jun 27, 2005 2:20 pm

I find it amusing that some of you feel that a handful of bad religious zealots represent how most normal Christians behave. That's very ignorant.

Tuggan · Post by **Tuggan** » Mon Jun 27, 2005 2:31 pm

Ganzo wrote:yes what's at fault here is his religion

not blamin religion, just seems kinda funny to me how so many of these totally fucking pyschotic murderin types in this country have strong ties to christianity.

Post by **Ganzo** » Mon Jun 27, 2005 3:14 pm

Tuggan wrote:
Ganzo wrote:yes what's at fault here is his religion

not blamin religion, just seems kinda funny to me how so many of these totally fucking pyschotic murderin types in this country have strong ties to christianity.

by same token you could state that most of them white but this don't make all of white people murdering psychotics. generalization statements are fun, no

Tuggan · Post by **Tuggan** » Mon Jun 27, 2005 3:24 pm

generalization statements?

saying many of the whackos find love in jesus is a generalization? think that would be more of a generalized statement towards mass murdering creeps, not so much christians.

Post by **Ganzo** » Mon Jun 27, 2005 4:00 pm

Are you missing or avoiding what i said?

You stated that majority of mass murderers are Jesus Humpers. I said that they also white, beer lovers, football fans, etc...

But question stands, how does any of it connected to them being mass murderers

Harrison · Post by **Harrison** » Mon Jun 27, 2005 4:12 pm

They all breathe oxygen too!

FUCKING OXYGEN BREATHING MURDERERS!

Post by **Lyion** » Mon Jun 27, 2005 4:15 pm

Ya know, religion has nothing to do with this subject. Some of you have severe issues and really should get counselling about your fixations.

This was an 'average' joe. Nobody suspected him, and he turned into a brutal nasty psychopathic murderer. That was the whole point of the post.

Narrock · Post by **Narrock** » Mon Jun 27, 2005 5:08 pm

This thread is turning very Ccc

Narrock · Post by **Narrock** » Mon Jun 27, 2005 5:09 pm

LOL leave Tuggan alone. The poor guy doesn't "get" quite a few things...

Ciladan · Post by **Ciladan** » Mon Jun 27, 2005 5:43 pm

guys I'm gonna go out killing people because I'm a Christian and we're all psychos lol

Narrock · Post by **Narrock** » Mon Jun 27, 2005 5:44 pm

Ciladan wrote:guys I'm gonna go out killing people because I'm a Christian and we're all psychos lol

Yamori · Post by **Yamori** » Mon Jun 27, 2005 6:01 pm

There is a direct correlation between the Love of Jesus and a Thirst for Blood. ;D

Phlegm · Post by **Phlegm** » Mon Jun 27, 2005 7:33 pm

Phlegm wrote:church council president, boy scout leader, mass murder.... what doesnt fit?

So from all the posts so far, the answer to my question is boy scout leader.