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[mofish]

Look who Manning and McNabb have around them.

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Aaron Brooks is a top QB in the league, he is one of the most underrated also.

Hell yes.

[Tikker]

I think he's a pretty ok QB, but i wouldn't put him in the top 10

[Lyion]

Look who Manning and McNabb have around them.

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Aaron Brooks is a top QB in the league, he is one of the most underrated also.

Yes, because Staley and Horn suck..Give me a fuckin break.

[Susvain]

Can you say a four-peat?

No one can stop Patriots, thats a fact! As long as Pats have the best QB in the league, and one of the best to ever play the game of Football, they will go far in the playoffs ever year

[mofish]

Look who Manning and McNabb have around them.

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Aaron Brooks is a top QB in the league, he is one of the most underrated also.

Yes, because Staley and Horn suck..Give me a fuckin break.

Its McCallister, wrong Deuce (Duce). Brooks = underrated. Ill bring this post back up after a couple games into the season

[Lyion]

K, every Saints game I watched he choked late, Mo, and they were in a position to win. He has the goods but he hasn't impressed me.

Too many fuckin' Du(e)ce's.

[Tadpole]

Look who Manning and McNabb have around them, and then tell me that Brooks has better around him.

You can't.

[mofish]

K, every Saints game I watched he choked late, Mo, and they were in a position to win. He has the goods but he hasn't impressed me.

Too many fuckin' Du(e)ce's.

yeah Im not sending him to the HoF. He has a selection of boneheaded plays to look back on and laugh at. But he definitely isnt the real problem with our team. Its the dreadful defense, its just been horrible. It looked a lot better last quarter of the season, with Mike McKenzie at DB for us, really helped out. Won last 4 games, missed the payoffs by one field goal (jets field goal).

About the chokes, he has 12 (or more not sure) 4th quarter comeback drives to his credit. So he can be brilliant at times also. Thats the frustrating thing about him. Some plays he looks like Joe Montana, and its hard to accept he cant be like that every play.

I was looking for a specific clip of Aaron Brooks, an amazing scramble pass to beat the 9ers a few years ago, couldnt find it. I did find one of the best plays in NFL history though. If you didnt see this play, watch it now :

http://www.cdol.com/saints/miracle.html

Notice who throws the block on the last person with a chance at Pathon Can you believe we missed the extra point after that?

[numatu]

Look who Manning and McNabb have around them, and then tell me that Brooks has better around him.

Can you name who Brady had around him for his first SB? Even the 2nd?

The LETHAL combination of Antowain Smith, Mark Edwards, Jermaine Wiggins, David Patten and Troy Brown? Yeah, the same guys that went 5-11 the year prior.... until Brady showed up in the starting lineup.

That old Marino defense just doesn't work anymore.

[Beelz]

to start off this comment has nothing to do with Tom Brady, the man is good, very good, but I still hate his guts.

any medicore quarterback can win a lot of games and even a superbowl with a highly potent defense... case in point: Trent Dilfer. Anyone remember the Ravens Superbowl bid? The guy wasn't that good.. hell when your team can go to the superbowl and win it with an average offensive scoring of maybe 10 points a game(if their lucky), you have to have luck, and an awesome D..... Basically if you want to be recognized as one of the top quarterbacks, you have to have the stats and the wins... not just one or the other. Aaron Brooks may have the stats in the past years, but not the wins.

As far as Aaron Brooks... I would say he is a step above mediocre. He would be in my top 15 quarterback listing for the upcoming season, but no where near the top 5.

and if you think I'm pulling in any direction I'm a vikings fan from when Jerry Burns was the head coach and we just got rid of Kramer at QB... my god have we gone through QB's in the past 15 years... anyway there are way too many freaking factors to put into consideration with any one position....

Here's food for thought: I loved Emmitt Smith since he first came out because at that time I had his rookie card (still have around 10) and it was my best card so I always pulled for him. Would Emmitt have left his mark in the RB category if he didn't have 330+ lb giants opening holes for him back when the avg weight was probably 290 for linemen? Or a QB & WR's that kept the defense deep and always guessing? or a good defense that kept the offense on the field, giving him more rushing attempts? or a great offensive playbook that created those gaping holes?

too much info to consider.

[Lyion]

Any medicore quarterback can win a lot of games and even a superbowl with a highly potent defense... case in point: Trent Dilfer. Anyone remember the Ravens Superbowl bid?

Couldn't disagree more. Dilfer is a good QB and proved it when he started in Seattle. More importantely he is a TEAM guy whose focus was never on stats, but in following team doctrine. Case in point about the Ravens, look what happened when they 'upgraded' to Grbac.

As far as Aaron Brooks... I would say he is a step above mediocre. He would be in my top 15 quarterback listing for the upcoming season, but no where near the top 5.

I'd agree with that. But Top 15 puts him firmly in the journeyman category, nowhere near above average.

I loved Emmitt Smith since he first came out because at that time I had his rookie card (still have around 10) and it was my best card so I always pulled for him. Would Emmitt have left his mark in the RB category if he didn't have 330+ lb giants opening holes for him back when the avg weight was probably 290 for linemen? Or a QB & WR's that kept the defense deep and always guessing?

While I agree somewhat with your 'team' point, you are not giving credit where credit is due. The games Emmit missed back in his heyday the Cowboys were a shell of their selves and were beaten by very mediocre teams. So if your point were true they would've been able to plug in any mediocre RB and have him kick ass. That certainly was not the case.

[mofish]

Dilfer is good but Brooks is mediocre? Dilfer sucked =)

And top 15 out of 32 is above average. Not that fantasy football means much, but he is a top 5 fantasy QB usually.

[Lyion]

Dilfer is good but Brooks is mediocre? Dilfer sucked =)

And top 15 out of 32 is above average. Not that fantasy football means much, but he is a top 5 fantasy QB usually.

Dilfer has a ring. I doubt Brooks willt ever have one, unless he signs as a backup to the Patriots or Colts.

The Saints have a decent D and plenty of very good players on O. We'll see if Brooks can step up this year. Even in a notoriously weak conference.

[Arlos]

Yes, yes, the arguments on whether or not the QB of a team that what, only just recently for the first time ever in 30+ years won a playoff game (I assume they did recently, I vaguely remember that) is or is not "average" is all well and good.

But, please, can we have more discussion on the true depths of the suckitude that will be displayed by the 49ers this season? I predict 3-13, with Alex Smith showing flashes of competance, but undone by the fact that Kevan Barlow is not a franchise RB, and the fact that there's no one who can even pass, at night, in a fog, at a distance, for being even a COMPETENT Wide Receiver, leaving him no one to actually, you know, throw the ball to.

Whether or not they get the 1st overall pick again, I dunno, but with no Bill Walsh caliber savior anywhere on the horizon, and with an owner who isn't even capable of finding his own ass if he used both hands, I feel that I am in for several more years of Utter Suckness from what were once the class of the NFL.

Perhaps I shall arrange a local group to burn York in effigy before every home game in the parking lot of Commercialstick.

-Arlos

[Phlegm]

3 wins for the niners? you are being generous Arlos.

Perhaps I shall arrange a local group to burn York in effigy before every home game in the parking lot of Commercialstick.

I wouldnt even do that since it cost 25+ bucks to park there at Monster Park at Candlestick Point.

[mofish]

Dilfer is good but Brooks is mediocre? Dilfer sucked =)

And top 15 out of 32 is above average. Not that fantasy football means much, but he is a top 5 fantasy QB usually.

Dilfer has a ring. I doubt Brooks willt ever have one, unless he signs as a backup to the Patriots or Colts.

The Saints have a decent D and plenty of very good players on O. We'll see if Brooks can step up this year. Even in a notoriously weak conference.

A notoriously weak conference? Check who the NFC representation in the superbowl has been the past few years.

And no, lets not talk about the niners. Unless we are ridiculing them for sucking, and being cheaters.

[Lyion]

The Saints last made the playoffs in 2000, Arlos. Brooks started five games that year, so I don't think you can attribute the season to him.

Since then they have been:

# 2001 7-9
# 2002 9-7
# 2003 8-8
# 2004 8-8

This besides being in a very mediocre divison and conference, losing to a lot of other mediocre teams.

San Francisco may go winless next season, Arlos. I can't think of a single team in their division they can beat at home. Arizona with Warner will not give them any victories.

The NFC is weak, Mo. Period. The NFC South is the weakest of the weak. The Frickin RAMS made the playoffs and they werent even in the same league as some of the worst AFC teams. The team that WON your division, Atlanta, was spanked by the Chiefs 56-10.

[Arlos]

Mo, I won't argue in the least about the 49ers condensing such a massive amount of suck that they threaten to turn into a black hole of suckitude, but how exactly are they cheaters?

Lyion: 3 wins is probably generous. Call it my feelings that Alex Smith may actually flirt with adequacy. Still, no team in a very very long time has gone winless, there's always SOME poor schmuck team out there who's lost half their starting O or D to injury the previous week, and is running 4th stringers as starters, and those are the wins you have to try for, dammit! heh.

-Arlos

[mofish]

http://www.49erhaters.com/cheat.html

lol, what a website.

[Lyion]

Both the 9er wins last season came against, Az, right, Arlos?

Az has upgraded on both sides of the ball and has a good QB in Warner. It wouldn't surprise me if they went 0-16, Arlos. I don't see Zona losing to them this year.

Looking at their schedule.. Nope, don't see a team they should beat unless Nolan works wonders with their D players.

St Louis and Tampa are their best bets for wins in the first half, and I don't see those teams losing to a first year coach with a bunch of journeyman players.

[vonkaar]

Boys are going all the way
to the lottery

[Beelz]

Niners will win at least one game, two will be pushing it, and that one win will come against the Cards. You can never count out divisional foes... shit I still remember when the Vikes were having a good season a few years back and they ran into 0-god knows how many losses, Lions, and they choked, giving the Lions their first win of the season.

P.S. earlier post about Emmitt Smith, w/o him, they hurt because they didn't even have a medicore RB to back him up.

[Arlos]

Again, no, they probably don't stand a chance against a real team, or one at full strength. But if they run into a team that is missing like 9 people off the defense, and is running some 3rd and 4th stringers, say, then that becomes a lot more winnable game. Not saying it's LIKELY, mind you, but hey...

Well, at least we'll have another top draft pick. I could almost wish that the 9ers had taken someone other than Smith this past draft, on the assumption they'd have the top pick again, so they could get Leinert. rofl. At least this year, if they have the top pick, they might get a lot better offers to trade it.

-Arlos

[Xaiveir]

Niners will go 5-11 this year. Call me optimistic, but they wont be as bad as they were last year.

[Zantog]

Loyal Packer Backer..


Should be a interesting year...

Lions QB is back
Bears reportidly had a Great Draft
Vikqueens got rid of Moss and open up potential for other WR...

And the Pack have Favre .... and a solid offence. But what bout the deffence?

Looking forward to a compeditive season.