Bush wants to see end to farm subsidies

[10sun]

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArtic ... ADE-DC.XML

http://www.forbes.com/markets/feeds/afx ... 27157.html

Good job looking out for the farmers of our countries jackass.

Fuck it, I hope he gets shot by a farmer.

-Adam

[Eziekial]

All government subsides suck balls in the long run. It simply allows a group or organization to continue to practice the poor management of resources that got it into trouble to begin with. Same goes for aid to foreign countries like Africa. All free rice will do is line the pockets of the corrupt officals and give them more encentive to keep their country from digging itself out of the hole we try to fill with our dollars.

[10sun]

Do you know what this encompasses for farmers in the US who want to retain their farmland?

Currently they get a CUAV tax recoupment where they pay a greatly reduced amount of property taxes on land more than 10 acres provided it is used for commercial agricultural purposes.

If it weren't for these subsidies, they would be paying $750 a year per acre in my area in property taxes as opposed to the $75 a year per acre they are currently paying, thus making farming viable for those not part of a conglomerate.

-Adam

[Eziekial]

I'm well aware of the hardships that would be faced by farmers if all subsides were to end. The problem is not lack of subsides, it's the property tax levied on your area. What is such an extrodinary tax being used for? What sense does it make to have someone who is a non-farmer pay not only 100% of his property tax but 90% of your tax as well? How is that in any way/shape/form jusifiable and reasonable in a free society?

[Tossica]

I'm well aware of the hardships that would be faced by farmers if all subsides were to end. The problem is not lack of subsides, it's the property tax levied on your area. What is such an extrodinary tax being used for? What sense does it make to have someone who is a non-farmer pay not only 100% of his property tax but 90% of your tax as well? How is that in any way/shape/form jusifiable and reasonable in a free society?

Because people need to eat and someone needs to grow the food the people eat.

[Themosticles]

But if I'm reading the article right aren't they suggesting that by doing so they eliminate individual country's ability to subsidise farmers, which allows those same farmers to produce more, sell at a better price globaly, and thus make more money, in favor of a global conglomerate that allows more players in the market?

Not saying I agree with it, just asking.

[Martrae]

Doesn't make any difference...the farmers will just get their farms taken away by eminent domain anyway.

[brinstar]

sore point for freethinking nebraskans

The Chimp grabbed nebraska gov. mike johanns and made him the new Sec of Ag, then spun him around thrice, kicked him in the junk, and made him go back out and break all the bad news to farmers (like 80% of nebraska is farmland)

[Narrock]

Grow your own food. Problem solved. Homesteading owns.

[labbats]

In Iowa, pickup trucks are not charged taxes on their registration, however, my car cost me over $300 a year.

Farmers aren't those kind old gents in overalls. They all got bought out by conglomerates years ago. If someone is bored enough, I'm certain there's some kind of graph floating around the internet to substantiate this.

Lastly, the only working group that are bigger whiners than pilots are farmers.

[10sun]

You'd be suprised how many local farmers we still have around here, there are a large number of conglomerates in your defense, but they are all keeping people fed.

-Adam

[Wrath Child]

Do you know what this encompasses for farmers in the US who want to retain their farmland?

Currently they get a CUAV tax recoupment where they pay a greatly reduced amount of property taxes on land more than 10 acres provided it is used for commercial agricultural purposes.

If it weren't for these subsidies, they would be paying $750 a year per acre in my area in property taxes as opposed to the $75 a year per acre they are currently paying, thus making farming viable for those not part of a conglomerate.

-Adam

That may be true, but there's nothing stopping your city or county from keeping farm land taxes extremely low as long as it remains farmland.

[Beelz]

In Iowa, pickup trucks are not charged taxes on their registration, however, my car cost me over $300 a year.

Farmers aren't those kind old gents in overalls. They all got bought out by conglomerates years ago. If someone is bored enough, I'm certain there's some kind of graph floating around the internet to substantiate this.

Lastly, the only working group that are bigger whiners than pilots are farmers.

#1 just like you I'm from Iowa myself (also went to ICCC) and my pickup truck is charged taxes for registration like any vehicle, farmers will get to expense it on their tax return like everything else they do.

NOTE: I own an old car, old truck, older SUV. car is $18, truck is $35(truck is older than car), and well we all know SUV's are the most.

#2 My dad and uncle never got bought out by a conglomerate.

#3 Yes farmers do whine at times, who doesn't complain (although they do it alot). But the key thing you need to point out is, they are the biggest gossips around. Go to any small town and if there's coffee, there will be farmers gossiping

[labbats]

You sure about #1 beelz? I could have sworn that pickups didn't get charged.

[Lyion]

Just have John Cougar throw another Farm Aid concert. Maybe he could invite Bob Geldof and Bono.

According to calculations by the charity Oxfam, state aid allows U.S. farmers to export cotton and wheat at 35 to 47 percent of the cost of domestic production, and helps EU farmers export sugar and beef at a discount of 44 to 47 percent.

The Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development says the EU spends $133 billion a year on farm support and the United States around $47 billion.

Mandelson's spokeswoman Claude Veron-Reville, speaking in Brussels, said U.S. proposals on the matter would be welcome, but that a phase-out in five years was not possible.

"We have said that 2010 was not credible, but that 10 years would be too long," she said, reiterating the EU line that any deal on the abolition of farm export subsidies depended on agreement in other domains.

There was some confusion in Brussels about what exactly Bush was talking about, but U.S. officials confirmed he was referring to the phasing-out of farm aid in general, not merely subsidies for farm exports.

Supachai Panitchpakdi, head of the Geneva-based World Trade Organization, also urged the leaders meeting at the Gleneagles hotel in the Scottish countryside to make a renewed commitment to wrapping up the Doha Round negotiations.

Either we are for free trade or not. Some of you seem to not give a shit about anything but certain industries.

Anyways, Farmers should get the same benefits other businesses do. No more. No less.

[Beelz]

Anyways, Farmers should get the same benefits other businesses do. No more. No less.

Maybe it's that I'm from Iowa, but I don't personally see how the local Starbucks should receive the same benefits as Farmers. These benefits that farmers have received have helped keep jobs, and continuing to provide food for the world.

Importance: Food>>>>>Overpriced, Overrated Coffee.

[Darcler]

I have frappachinos as meals. They are good.

[labbats]

I'll have the grande ethonal espresso.

[Ironfang]

Farm subsidies are just one of the many HUGE tariffs that countries pay/impose to help out their own people.

The real issue with farm subsidies in the US and Europe is that they can produce say wheat, and ship it to Africa for less cost than some dirt poor farmer in Africa can produce it for to eat for his local community.

That is the real problem with farm subsidies.

[Phlegm]

The real issue with farm subsidies in the US and Europe is that they can produce say wheat, and ship it to Africa for less cost than some dirt poor farmer in Africa can produce it for to eat for his local community.

And the wheat would just sit in the warehouse of the local warlord and rot.