FSM advocates call for equal time in science classrooms

[mappatazee]

FUNDAMENTAL AXIOM of ID-LOGIC (or "FAIL"):

OBSERVATION: An object looks like a certain thing.
CONCLUSION: Therefore, that object is the thing that it looks like.


Of course, when FAIL is applied to the most important question in the world (the existence of God) you get the FIRST COROLLARY of ID-LOGIC:

OBSERVATION: An object looks like it was made by an intelligent designer.
CONCLUSION: Therefore, that object was made by an intelligent designer.

[Gidan]

I actually dont hate the ID ideas, however its just not science. It is still faith any way you look at it. It is not today nor will it every be science.

ID from the start has been trying to prove somthing, something which it cant actually prove btw. These people research, and as amazing as it sounds every single thing they find is proof of their "theory". Well I dont think that really suprises anyone. Its just proof that ID isn't and can never be a science.

The major problem I have with people who do not believe in evolution is simple. Most of the ones I know will tell me there is no evidence to support it. I will show them somthing and they will write it off becasue its only 1 thing and doesn't prove anything. I will show them somehting else, same responce. No matter how much I show them, they write it off becasue its only one thing. What drives me nuts is tehy dont see how evidence is like bricks in a house. Each individual brick does nothing for the house, but when you put them all together you form a home. These people refuse to allow the bricks to be put togethere, they refuse to look at all the evidence becasue they have already written it off as useless since it itself didn't prove evolution. Yes at the same time, they have blind faith in creation because the bible says it happened.

These people take a mountain of evidence on one side, and ignore it becasue the one little book they have in their hands says something different. If we treated everything in life in the same regard that they do evolution, we would have some major issues. It reminds me of the flat earth people, they ignore every bit of evidence because the little book they carry says differently.

Now evolution is most definatly a science. The advantage to that is that it can be disproven. If that were to happen, it would be abandoned as a theory and scientists would move on. However that has not happened and new evidence is beign disconved on a regular basis that supports Evolution.

If people want to argue teaching evolution in science classes then they need to do it scientificly. They need to show that evolution didn't happen, however they can not do that. Throwing out words like "Creation" and "ID" are not valid arguments to stop the teaching of evolution. Evolution is the only of the 3 that should every be in a school class room.

[Arlos]

Agreed. If churches wish to teach ID in sunday school, that's perfectly OK, as it's a RELIGIOUS doctrine, NOT a scientific one. Religion has no place in public schools, period. ID, however much you tart it up, is NOT a scientific doctrine, it is a religious faith doctrine, and as such has NO place in schools. Period.

-Arlos

[Tikker]

Agreed. If churches wish to teach ID in sunday school, that's perfectly OK, as it's a RELIGIOUS doctrine, NOT a scientific one. Religion has no place in public schools, period. ID, however much you tart it up, is NOT a scientific doctrine, it is a religious faith doctrine, and as such has NO place in schools. Period.

-Arlos

Unless of course it's a faith based school


I'm not sure what it's like in the states, but in canada we have 2 school systems

The public school system, and the seperate school system


they're both teach the same general stuff, except the Seperate system is catholic based, and teaches extra biblical/religious courses

you pay your school taxes to one or the other, and send your child the appropriate school

[Arlos]

Not like that here. There's one public school system. If you don't want to send your kid there, you send them to a private school, which you pay for out of your own pocket.

-Arlos

[Lyion]

That's cool, Tikker. I wish our school system was more like yours. It can't be worse than our partisan DNC suck ass teachers union and no choice piss poor schools.

[Arlos]

There are actually quite a good number of decent public schools. Yes, there are some or even many bad ones, but there are also a number of very good ones. They also continue to improve, just look at the aggregate test scores that get released every year.

I'm very glad our system is not like theirs. I would not want my tax dollars going to any sort of religious-based education, nor would I want any funding diverted away from non-religious education public schools to religious sponsered ones. If you want to have your kid educated at a religious school? Send them to a private one. Not to mention, having such a publicly-funded religious-based school system would COMPLETELY violate the separation of church and state portion of the Bill of Rights.

-Arlos

[Narrock]

There are actually quite a good number of decent public schools. Yes, there are some or even many bad ones, but there are also a number of very good ones. They also continue to improve, just look at the aggregate test scores that get released every year.

I'm very glad our system is not like theirs. I would not want my tax dollars going to any sort of religious-based education, nor would I want any funding diverted away from non-religious education public schools to religious sponsered ones. If you want to have your kid educated at a religious school? Send them to a private one. Not to mention, having such a publicly-funded religious-based school system would COMPLETELY violate the separation of church and state portion of the Bill of Rights.

-Arlos

How about if you don't want your child learning about God you send them to a private Godless school? Since there are more Christians than atheists in America that makes much more sense.

[Arlos]

Oh, so you advocate just ignoring the Constitution?

-Arlos

[Narrock]

Oh, so you advocate just ignoring the Constitution?

-Arlos

Nice spin attempt. Answer the question. Doesn't it make more sense due to the fact that there are more Christians than atheists in America, to make the children of atheist parents go to a private Godless school?

[Tossica]

Oh, so you advocate just ignoring the Constitution?

-Arlos

Nice spin attempt. Answer the question. Doesn't it make more sense due to the fact that there are more Christians than atheists in America, to make the children of atheist parents go to a private Godless school?

No. There could be as many gods as there are people since each person is free to worship whom/whatever they want. Religion is a very private thing and has no place in public schools.

[mappatazee]

It's kind of self-defeating trying to argue teaching of religious doctrines in public schools. It just goes to prove that religion is a human invention that has to be taught. But somehow Godless-ness comes naturally with a basic highschool level education?

[Narrock]

Oh, so you advocate just ignoring the Constitution?

-Arlos

Nice spin attempt. Answer the question. Doesn't it make more sense due to the fact that there are more Christians than atheists in America, to make the children of atheist parents go to a private Godless school?

No. There could be as many gods as there are people since each person is free to worship whom/whatever they want. Religion is a very private thing and has no place in public schools.

Although I disagree, I respect this opinion.

[Narrock]

It's kind of self-defeating trying to argue teaching of religious doctrines in public schools. It just goes to prove that religion is a human invention that has to be taught. But somehow Godless-ness comes naturally with a basic highschool level education?

What proof do you have that religion is a human invention? That's pretty bold.

[brinstar]

what proof do you have that it's not?

[Harrison]

Not to mention, having such a publicly-funded religious-based school system would COMPLETELY violate the separation of church and state portion of the Bill of Rights.

You people rape the meaning of that daily.

[Gidan]

Not to mention, having such a publicly-funded religious-based school system would COMPLETELY violate the separation of church and state portion of the Bill of Rights.

You people rape the meaning of that daily.

Why dont you enlighten everyone on what the seperation of church and state is.

[veeneedefeesh]

You do of course realize that early America was mostly populated by people escaping religious persecution, many were escaping England where the "Church of England" and the gov't were one and the same? This was good reason for them to put the "seperation of church and state" into the Bill of Rights. They wanted "freedom of religion" where they could practice thier religious beliefs wiothout interferance from the gov't or anyone else dictating to them how they should worship.

Regardless of how fanatical, puritanical, or downright idiotic a religion may be, we here in America are free to worship in the way we choose whether that is Christian, Budhist, Muslim, or the belief in the all powerful Narb who sneezed out the universe one day when he had a cold, we are free to believe and worship how we choose...AS LONG AS WE DON'T TRY TO FORCE IT DOWN ANYONE'S THROAT!

If the Gov't were to fund a Christian based school system we would be no better than the gov'ts our ancestors were fleeing when they came here in the first place.

[Lyion]

Oh, so you advocate just ignoring the Constitution?

-Arlos

Nice spin attempt. Answer the question. Doesn't it make more sense due to the fact that there are more Christians than atheists in America, to make the children of atheist parents go to a private Godless school?

No. There could be as many gods as there are people since each person is free to worship whom/whatever they want. Religion is a very private thing and has no place in public schools.

It'd be nice to have private schools and people would have the option of sending their child to a Catholic, Protestant, or non religious school via vouchers.

I would be for completely abolishing public schools as they are a failed experiment and privatize it completely.

[Donnel]

We plan to homeschool anyway, but I support private school vouchers.

As Arlos said, he wouldn't want his tax dollars going to support a religious organization, and at the same time I'd rather my tax dollars not go to something that teaches Evolution, promiscuity, and social irresponsibility but in America, "dems da breaks."

[Zanchief]

I hate the way we have religious school boards in Canada. It's just a way to duck all the kids away from all the dangerous foreigners thus filling the public schools with all the bad seeds(yes I called foreigners bad seeds, and by and large its true in public schools).

And yes Donnel, schools teach irresponsibility and promiscuity...sigh

As for evolution being taught in school, it's the best scientific explanation. When it's taught, it's taught as such. When your kids come home from school you are very much able to sit your child down and erase all the logic he is being taught and fill his head with lies. Just as you guys are all, for the most part, a product of the public school system and have rejected the notion of evolution, I'm sure your children will be as ignorant as you are.

You want to learn about gum drops and magic elves and shit, stupid up your kids on your own time.

I went to a catholic school for 5 years FYI. It didn't stick.

[Donnel]

One prominent evolutionary psychologist, Harvard’s Steven Pinker, has written frankly about rivalry in academia, and the use of cutting rhetoric in the defense of established ideas: “Their champions are not always averse to helping the ideas along with tactics of verbal dominance, among them intimidation (‘Clearly…’), threat (‘It would be unscientific to…’), authority (‘As Popper showed…’), insult (‘This work lacks the necessary rigor for…’), and belittling (‘Few people today seriously believe that…’).”

you are very much able to sit your child down and erase all the logic he is being taught and fill his head with lies.

[Donnel]

Sure Johnny, go have sex with as many girls as you want, just be sure you wear these condoms we are passing out for free!

Oh and Jenny if you get pregnant, head on over to this abortion clinic and get that little "problem" taken care of, don't worry, you don't need your parents to know, and it's even paid for by the taxpayers! Even Christian taxpayers! Isn't that a hoot!

[Narrock]

Sure Johnny, go have sex with as many girls as you want, just be sure you wear these condoms we are passing out for free!

Oh and Jenny if you get pregnant, head on over to this abortion clinic and get that little "problem" taken care of, don't worry, you don't need your parents to know, and it's even paid for by the taxpayers! Even Christian taxpayers! Isn't that a hoot!

lol good post Donnel

[Narrock]

IMO, all public schools should utilize Dr. Laura philosophies. You don't teach children how to put on a condom, and that homosexuality is a viable option and all that crap. NO NO NO NO NO NO. HELL NO. You teach them the importance of abstinence, and the dangers of having sex like unwanted pregnancies and sexually-transmitted diseases THAT CAN KILL YOU, and that sex is reserved for an adult man and woman who are MARRIED. That is teaching responsibility and ethics. I wish my public schools would have taught us that when I was a kid.