Race and intelligence

Zanchief · Post by **Zanchief** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 11:33 am

Both of you could be right. All I'm saying is that genetically, you can't prove that black people are stupid. It would be like saying you could prove that genetically poor people are stupid, because the poor gene is connected to the stupid gene.

I do agree, in part, that poor people don't do a very good job trying to STOP being poor, but the government doesn't do a very good job to stop it either.

Spacewoman Spiff · Post by **Spacewoman Spiff** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 11:38 am

My biggest problem with the arguing in this thread is that people like Zanchief are saying that "white people being smarter than black people = black people are fucking stupid." That ridiculous.

You can say that Beethoven was a better musician than Mozart. Does that make Mozart a shitty musician? No. It just makes Beethoven better than him.

Same principle.

Zanchief · Post by **Zanchief** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 12:06 pm

Sigh

Are people this fucking clueless?

READ THE THREAD FOR FUCK SAKES.

Zanchief wrote:
Langston wrote:It's a fact that black people are genetically predisposed to have a lower tested IQ than white people.

This statement is false.

Langston wrote:It's a fact that black people are predisposed to have a lower tested IQ than white people.

This statement is true.

We understand each now?

Langston · Post by **Langston** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 12:20 pm

You never answered my question, Zanchief.

If the questions are racially/culturally biased, then why are they testing lower?

Don't give me an "I don't know - BUT IT DOESN"T PROVE THEY duMB!" answer, either.

kaharthemad · Post by **kaharthemad** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 12:51 pm

Zanchief wrote:

but the government doesn't do a very good job to stop it either.

Why should they? You wanna do a good job stopping poor people from being poor? here is how...stop welfare and free handouts. Suddenly people realize that "Holy Shit@@@@@! I have to fucking work and achieve more so then the person next to me to feed my family." And no, Toss lets not get into the arguement about this again. I am not talking about total cutoff, I am talking about a Government assistance program where if you hold a job, fine, if you need a little help here and there because the frnech fry job aint cutting it, then you get a little money in the form of Food Stamps Only. These stamps can be used for nessecities such as food, diapers, tampons, whatever the hell you need. First time you buy Beer with it...POP it goes away FOREVER.

Dont you think people faced with having to work will push thier children ahead to try and excell so they dont have to live like this? You take the money out of the system and you put in it's place a system where they cant cash the welfare check and buy a fucking XBOX and your gonna see a vast change in mentality in all lower income families. The increase in pushing your children ahead so they dont end up in the bottom of the shit bucket is gonna increase those test scores...till then they are gonna wonder whther it is genetic or situational.

10sun · Post by **10sun** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 1:21 pm

KaiineTN wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence

Interesting article, any thoughts?

My thoughts are this:

Looking at the graph without being presented with any numbers, that is not a diagram of IQs.

Average IQ should be 100. According to that graph it is closer to 92. That is wrong.

Perhaps it is just from misleading data being presented.

10sun · Post by **10sun** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 1:23 pm

There have been studies made determining there is a direct correlation between quality of nutrition and IQ before btw.

Do you think everybody can afford balanced diets on low incomes?

Chances are no.

Ouchyfish · Post by **Ouchyfish** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 1:28 pm

Bullshit. Have you ever seen how much welfare, food stamps, WIC etc these fuckers chew up every month?

If they werent so motherfucking busy buying groceries with their food stamps to trade for drug and beer money they wouldn't be hungry.

10sun · Post by **10sun** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 1:39 pm

So are you saying they are buying groceries or are you saying they are trading them for drugs & alcohol?

Make up your mind.

-Adam

Ouchyfish · Post by **Ouchyfish** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 1:47 pm

They have to buy them then trade them. 100 bucks of food for 50 dollars cash etc. No physical stamps out here anymore. (Credit card type shit-they take orders) I thought the word "trade" made it plain enough.

10sun · Post by **10sun** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 3:25 pm

and how does that effect the point I brought up about nutrition having an impact on the development of intelligence?

Langston · Post by **Langston** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 3:29 pm

Listen... it's all very fucking simple...

It has nothing to do with food.

It has nothing to do with the ghetto.

It has everything to do with one generation of stupid black people inter-marrying and creating a new generation of stupid black people, ad nauseam.

I'm sorry if you can't come to grips with the fact that blacks, on average, aren't as bright as white folks. If you're really that uncomfortable with yourself and your abilities, go eat some lead paint and you'll be right down there with them in no time.

I've come to a place of peace with myself that, as a white person, I'm, on average, less intelligent than a random Asian. Blacks can do the same thing... but they don't have to worry about who's smarter than them... they can assume that EVERYONE is.

10sun · Post by **10sun** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 3:31 pm

Langston wrote:Listen... it's all very fucking simple...

It has nothing to do with food.

It has nothing to do with the ghetto.

It has everything to do with one generation of stupid black people inter-marrying and creating a new generation of stupid black people, ad nauseam.

I'm sorry if you can't come to grips with the fact that blacks, on average, aren't as bright as white folks. If you're really that uncomfortable with yourself and your abilities, go eat some lead paint and you'll be right down there with them in no time.

I've come to a place of peace with myself that, as a white person, I'm, on average, less intelligent than a random Asian. Blacks can do the same thing... but they don't have to worry about who's smarter than them... they can assume that EVERYONE is.

Quite simply, you are wrong.

Ouchyfish · Post by **Ouchyfish** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 3:38 pm

10sun wrote:and how does that effect the point I brought up about nutrition having an impact on the development of intelligence?

The point I was disputing was not about nutrition and intelligence. Your point about nutrition and low income is what I was responding to.

10sun wrote:Do you think everybody can afford balanced diets on low incomes?

OuchyFish wrote:Bullshit. Have you ever seen how much welfare, food stamps, WIC etc these fuckers chew up every month?

If they werent so motherfucking busy buying groceries with their food stamps to trade for drug and beer money they wouldn't be hungry.

10sun · Post by **10sun** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 3:45 pm

Do children make those choices?

Ouchyfish · Post by **Ouchyfish** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 3:48 pm

Point taken.

Langston · Post by **Langston** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 4:05 pm

10sun wrote:Quite simply, you are wrong.

You're entitled to your opinion... but you'd be wrong.

Post by **Lueyen** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 4:44 pm

Langston wrote:I've come to a place of peace with myself that, as a white person, I'm, on average, less intelligent than a random Asian.

That is only true if your test score was below the average of the Asian test scores. You can not apply any of this to an individual unless you know what their test score actually is because all ethnic backgrounds overlap. Go figure... the average person is average.

In all reality 10sun gave you a compliment in saying you were wrong, because for you to be wrong about this you would have to have a higher IQ then the average Asian test score, which would place you at above average intelligence for your ethnic back ground, and above average overall.

Ouchyfish · Post by **Ouchyfish** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 5:28 pm

I'm longer than the average asian..

Langston · Post by **Langston** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 7:00 pm

Lueyen wrote:
Langston wrote:I've come to a place of peace with myself that, as a white person, I'm, on average, less intelligent than a random Asian.

That is only true if your test score was below the average of the Asian test scores. You can not apply any of this to an individual unless you know what their test score actually is because all ethnic backgrounds overlap. Go figure... the average person is average.

In all reality 10sun gave you a compliment in saying you were wrong, because for you to be wrong about this you would have to have a higher IQ then the average Asian test score, which would place you at above average intelligence for your ethnic back ground, and above average overall.

Good point.

If you look it like that, then you're right Adam - I am wrong that the average Asian is smarter than me. Thanks for the vote of confidence.

Jeddas · Post by **Jeddas** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 7:43 pm

In my experience, intellectually, blacks in the 18-25 age group are on par with whites, who are also very very stupid.

If you see a difference, I blame culture.

If your trying to blame breeding, then note that dumb blacks were not crossed with dumb blacks. Uneducated blacks were crossed with uneducated blacks. Thats it.

Post by **Gidan** » Sun Sep 25, 2005 1:01 am

While so many are sure they are right on this issue, maybe we should go back and look at the facts.

The only fact actually is that there is some statistical data that shows that "blacks" score lower on IQ tests in part due to genetics. It in no way says that "blacks" are less intelligent (whatever your definition of that word may actually be). The only thing the data shows is that genetics may play some part in the reason why "blacks" score lower on IQ tests the other races. The studies are very specific when they say that genetics only plays a part in the results.

My person opinion on IQ tests is that they are really not that accurate. I have taken 3 and scored within a 10 point span on all 3 tests, however people whom also took them had scores that ranged over 40 points on different occasions. If these tests are truly a way to measure your "intelligence" shouldn't you roughly score the same every time you take it? I also find it a little odd that the 3 test I took were completely different; there was nothing really similar about them. Possibly the fact that I scored so closely on all 3 show that they really can be accurate but then again I just look at people who have such a wide range of scores and cant help but question them.

As far as genetic effect on intelligence by race, I would say it is very possible and probably likely that genetics does play a part in the intelligence of a race. I do however think your environment has a far greater effect on your intelligence then your race and genetics do.

Gargamellow · Post by **Gargamellow** » Sun Sep 25, 2005 11:01 am

Ugz...if you are dumb enough to rely on statistics for your opinions in this world, then I am sincerely disappointed. I had thought you were more intelligent.

My bad, nigguh.

Langston · Post by **Langston** » Sun Sep 25, 2005 12:56 pm

Garg - you were comparing sea turtles to people... and using that as a basis for your argument.

If that is how YOU think, then you're exactly as stupid as I thought to begin with.

And don't refer to me as a "nigger", "nigga", or "nigguh". Those are terms for a class of people (both black AND white, as you surely represent), that does not, in any fashion, apply to me. If you and your trailer park friends wish to call each other that, be my guest... but I'm neither your friend nor do I live in a trailer park.

Captain Insano · Post by **Captain Insano** » Sun Sep 25, 2005 11:49 pm

You can't be smart and black... It lowers your "ghangstuh" score and ruins any chance at a career in hip hop.

Thats the official/scientific reason. I read it on the internet so it must be true! (jive ass turkeys!)

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