So I took my son to a pet store....

[Jeddas]

I hate dogs. I hate dog owners that think they are children or deserve human rights. You know that reminds me of a story. I literally blew the front of a dogs head off with a 22 rifle once.

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Fuck dog owners.

horrible human being.

[ClakarEQ]

Donnel, i guess you can be my jailmate wuwu

EDIT

I think I missed your point.

In jail for smokeing?
OR
In jail for saying kids 3-5 years old get high?

[Ouchyfish]

I hate dogs. I hate dog owners that think they are children or deserve human rights. You know that reminds me of a story. I literally blew the front of a dogs head off with a 22 rifle once.

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Fuck dog owners.

horrible human being.

You lose 3 grand a day in livestock and see how you feel when the fuckers get after your shit, bucko.

[ClakarEQ]

Shoot the OWNER, not the dogs LOL, the owner is just going to get more dogs!

[Donnel]

Clakar you Ninja'd I was responding to Ouchy.

[The Kizzy]

Might want to get a puppy when the boy is young, so they can grow up together. That is what I have heard anyway.

[Maeya]

Since you brought up pot, I guess I'll have to post LOL

Actually Pot is a gateway drug only because you believe the propaganda of the US. Booze / Nicotine is the gateway drug, just the US wants you to think different, sort of out of the box thinking don't you know. I've said this before and have been corrected but I still stand by it; Anyone that smokes pot didn't start smoking pot "first", they drank, snorted glue, got dizzy, etc etc before they smoked pot.

Am I wrong if I say that a person would be more willing to do crack, acid, heroine, and other more serious drugs if they had been smoking pot first? As opposed to just jumping right into the hard stuff having never done drugs in their life?

I'm not saying that Tuggan is a bad person for smoking pot. Nor am I saying that because he does, he's going to lead a life on the streets committing crime to pay for addiction. The point that I was trying to make, was that he can't condemn one action for leading to other crimes, when his own recreation could as well.

Tuggan, while human induced animal fighting I agree is bad, no matter how you look at it, I don't know that it breeds "more crime" BTW I'm from Detroit as well. I'd sooner say the people that promote / accept animal fights breed the crime, not the fight itself so much.

Well said.

And Adivina, I understand that the *types* of people more likely to go to one of these dog fighting rings are the unsavory sort *anyway*, therefore more likely to do other crimes... however, that'd be like being surprised that people are smoking pot at a Phish concert.

Activities of an illegal variety tend to draw criminals to them. They don't necessarily breed MORE crime. The people attending these events were gonna do the crimes ANYWAY, now they just happen to be doing it in a centralized location.


Bleh, anyway, no matter how you look at it, it's a crappy situation.

[Tuggan]

but also consider when you have a massive group of mostly criminal types, that area is at a higher risk of more crimes being comitted than usual. thus a higher crime rate directly related to animal fights.

this is the reason the police raid animal fight rings as often as possible. theyre not going in to the save the animals, theyre going in as a raid scenario to bust the people involved. they ALWAYS have direct links to other forms or crime, like drugs, prostitution, gangs, loan sharking, etc.. the fighting animals are almost always euthanized.

[The Kizzy]

I accidently smoked pot for the first time in 10 years Friday night, and I was pissed about it. And before you all start saying "HOW DO YOU ACCIDENTLY SMOKE POT" here is the blog

We went to an office party on Friday night, and our computer guy was passing this thing around, I asked him what it was, and he said it was a hand rolled cigar. I quit smoking a couple of months ago, so when he offered me some, it smelled sweet, but at first I said no thanks. But then the other people smoking it were like, ohh, this does taste sweet, and I was curious, so I tried some. It was like a walnut cherry thing. I asked him why he rolled his own cigars, and he said it was so he could inhale them. Knowing nothing about cigars, I asked if I could try it again, because I didn't know I should have inhaled it. So he gave it to me, and I inhaled, and immediatly started coughing, and everyone started laughing at me. Kim started giggling and was like "Oh, its pot, you dumb ass" and Jon was saying NO ITS NOT. SO i hit it again, because it didn't taste like pot, and I thought she was lying. Well my boss comes outside and smacks it away from me, and asked if I knew what it was, and I said, "Yeah, Jon said it was a hand rolled cigar" Now my boss has been a friend of mine for 6 years and he knows about my brother and how I feel about drugs, and I know he wouldn't lie to me, and he said "It is weed" I almost immediatly started crying. I asked Jon why he would lie to me and he said he thought i knew, but he rolls his J's in cigar paper that way if he gets pulled over, the cops can't tell as easily. Later I ate a WHOLE bag of peanut M&Ms, and then Sunday at our office dinner Jon was trying to pass me a straw paper and telling me to smoke it. Everyone but me and the boss was laughing. I did get pretty stoned off it though.

[The Kizzy]

oh, and I forgot to add, and I am not a bad person.

[ClakarEQ]

Am I wrong if I say that a person would be more willing to do crack, acid, heroine, and other more serious drugs if they had been smoking pot first? As opposed to just jumping right into the hard stuff having never done drugs in their life?

IMHO yes, I think you would be wrong. I think as soon as someone wants to experience something other then "normal" (being drunk, etc), they are more likely to try any other drug (E, Pot, etc).

Now I will agree to say this:
Pot is illiegal, and if someone is willing to cross "that" line, they are more willing to use other illigal substances, that part of your statement I can agree with.

My point is an attempt to "un-brainwash" folks to realize the war on drugs is and will continue to be one of the biggest money pits our nation has ever known, until the brain cleansing in complete we will continue to waste billions on it.

But back on track, I'd rather not turn this into a drug debate, I've posted what I think, opinions, that is all, I'm happy to just disagree.


If you get a puppy make sure it isn't the runt or at least isn't ultra submissive. If a dog is too submissive they just piss a lot and can often be difficult to train. You can determine the level of submissiveness by a couple tests:

1) grab a pup from the scruff of the neck, properly supporting the dog, force it on its back while you hold it in the air, (one hand under back to support, one hand on scruff of neck). The level of stuggleing the dog does to remove itself from that situation is a tell-tale sign.

2) for larger dogs / pups, force the dog to role on it's back and you get on all fours over the dog, lower your body so you are amlost laying on top of the dog, same deal, the level of stuggling the dog does will give you a real good idea of how submissive the dog is.

Now you can't do those tests if you have been the owner of said animal for a long time, because they already know you are alpha.

Another interesting test, if you have kids, have them perform #2, you might supprise yourself in that your dog may think they have a higher "rank" then your own kids (e.g. they fight noticable harder when it is your kids vs you).

[Spacewoman Spiff]

Fuck the dogs. If they don't want to fight, they should leave.

[Arlos]

There have been studies showing how Marijuana is a 'gateway drug', leading the user to other, more hardcore drugs later in life. And, as often happens, hardcore drug use often lead to crime as addicts are forced to steal and commit prostitution to pay for their increasing habbit.

Actually, all of the studies that show such a link are those conducted by biased organizations with a pre-disposition towards wishing there to be such a link. Every study I've ever seen that was actually performed by an independent group found no such link whatsoever. It's the equivalent of saying that beer is a gateway drug to wine, or that Mike's Hard Lemonaide is a gateway drug to Tequila. Yes, some people that do one do the other, but there's no causal link between them. Stating that smoking pot leads to violent crime is EXTREMELY dubious, as no such link has ever even been remotely proved. (and how much violent crime can be attributed directly to alcohol? Lots and lots.)

As for being willing to violate some laws and not others, in most cases I've seen of that, the dividing line is on whether or not the illegal action being taken causes harm to someone or something else. Yes, someone who drinks/smokes/etc knows they are harming themselves, but wtf, its their own life, you want to die young, feel free. Speeding does increase the risk of injury to others, but you can certainly argue that there's a huge difference between going 80 on a mostly open freeway with significant other traffic going roughly the same speed (which is speeding yes) and trying to go 80 on a residential street or on a crowded freeway where you have to be constantly lane-diving and cutting people off.

Animal fighting rings by their very definition are causing serious harm to what are ultimately defenseless creatures, that are certainly capable of feeling pain, etc. Doesn't matter if its chickens or dogs, it's still disgusting, and the police should've been called regardless.

As to the original topic, Tikker, you should suggest that to Tigole as a new weapon in WOW: Attack Parrot on Chain. Could be extremely hilarious...

-Arlos

[Vincenti]

Stating that smoking pot leads to violent crime is EXTREMELY dubious, as no such link has ever even been remotely proved.

Smoking pot.. ..leads to violent crime.. .. The only violent crime I can think of that a stoner would commit would be ripping a turkey leg to shreads, or wait, maybe stealing twinkies at the local bag'n'gag

[Spazz]

I cant recall who on the nt but someons brother smoked the evil pot and commited some serious crimes. PROOF that pot causes serious crime right there

[The Kizzy]

that was mine, prison 20 years murder

[Spazz]

Well i think family members share genetic traits and i can tell your a wack job ... prolly wasnt the pot.

[Tuggan]

hah, see what you get for bringing up pot kahart? all the stoners are out and about now.

[The Kizzy]

I AM NOT A STONER.

You are probably right Spazz. Watch your back, I can see you.

DON'T ROLL YOUR EYES AT ME, I see you.


That's right, look over your shoulder.


Get your hand out of your pants Spazz, that's sick.

I don't want to see this shit.

I'll wait til you go to sleep.

[Tuggan]

was he on anything else? like drinking with it or something? ive smoked with some seriously criminal violent type people, yet they become quite mellow and relaxed while high. honestly never seen someone turn violent while just smoking.

[Gaazy]

i wouldnt call those cocks defenseless, they are mean!

[The Kizzy]

was he on anything else? like drinking with it or something? ive smoked with some seriously criminal violent type people, yet they become quite mellow and relaxed while high. honestly never seen someone turn violent while just smoking.

Not sure, I didn't hear abou tit until after he was in, and my parents shelter me. From what I know, he was high, him and his buddy went to pick up some cash for drugs, his buddy pulls out a sawed off and shoots the guy taking the cash and the drugs, and my brother hid the weapon. It happened in Austin in a church parking lot. The guy who pulled the trigger got 40, my brother got 20, they are trying to get his sentence reduced now, its been 5 years.

[ClakarEQ]

If he was ONLY high on pot and then murdered someone, I don't mean to be disrespectful to Kizzy, but he had other issues or perhaps some sort of alergic reaction.

The type of event you describe is something I'd see someone do strung out after snorting a good 8ball (that'd be good bit of coccain for the non-drug types). Now I've seen some real ass-holes on coke.

[Maeya]

Arlos, may I have a link to some of those studies, please? I'd like to read up on it, because I remember writing papers on it in college/highschool and last I heard, pot was still "the gateway" drug. Maybe I just hang out in the wrong circles.


And I don't think the implication was that if you smoke pot, you will become violent. The implication was that if you smoke pot, you are more likely to try and become addicted to more dangerous drugs, which have been linked to many of the crimes on the street.

It's not so much a=b, b=c, so therefore a=c as it is 'a' may lead to 'b', which may in turn is more likely to lead to 'c'.

Using the speeding example. If you speed daily, you would be more likely to get into an accident, and speeding accidents cause many deaths a year. But it doesn't mean you will automatically drop dead if you speed.

Am I making sense?

Anyway, I'd like to see those studies, please, Arlos, if you have the links to them.

Thank you, sir =)

But I agree, I don't want to turn this into a war on drugs post. I was simply trying to use Tuggan's drug use to illustrate a point. I'm done, now, though =) Hopefully.

[Langston]

Yes ... all pot smokers are nothing but humble, benign, caring individuals that are persecuted for their hobby.

How silly of us.

You're a bunch of fucking idiots.