So I took my son to a pet store....

[Tuggan]

if you cant see the difference between raising a dog to fight then forcing said dog to fight to the death against another dog, and people doing research on a rat im afraid youre a fucking idiot.

[Maeya]

All the pot smoke is making everything a lovely shade of gray.

[Metranon]

if you cant see the difference between raising a dog to fight then forcing said dog to fight to the death against another dog, and people doing research on a rat im afraid youre a fucking idiot.

what proof can you offer to show the difference between the two, besides the fact that dogs are valued by humans and rats are not?

have you ever seen videos of what scientists do to chimpanzees in labs? it's a lot uglier than anything you'll see at a dog fight trust me, unless they slice off the top of the dog's skull while it's still conscious and prod/inject/remove sections of its brain.

[Tikker]

if you cant see the difference between raising a dog to fight then forcing said dog to fight to the death against another dog, and people doing research on a rat im afraid youre a fucking idiot.

the way I see it, in a dog fight, at least 1 dog gets to live, as opposed to the lab rats who all die


But I'm sure as an ex-pizza boy you have all kinds of life experience to share with us

[Spazz]

Creating a dangerous monster or ...... trying to benifit the human race.
Those 2 things are really comparable mate.

[Metranon]

first of all you're from Michigan, not australia, so you sound like a faggot saying "mate", especially when we aren't even friends

second youre naive as fuck if you think all Lab research that harms animals goes to "benefit the human race" How do you think pharmeceutical companies figured out that taking Viagra in certain conditions could lead to heart defects?

what about chicken farms? most people clearly feel that cock-fighting is wrong, yet most commercial poultry farms keep chickens in conditions that are hardly humane, crammed into a tiny pen with their wings tied and sometime their beaks clipped off with no anesthesia? Don't get me started on veal, where they raise baby lambs in a dark box and don't allow them to exercise so that their meat tastes better...

It's wrong to torture animals, except when they taste good afterward or it helps your husband get a hard-on for hours as a result!

[Tuggan]

the way I see it, in a dog fight, at least 1 dog gets to live, as opposed to the lab rats who all die


But I'm sure as an ex-pizza boy you have all kinds of life experience to share with us

the way i see it, is you dont know jack shit about what youre talking about. in most cases with both dogs being trained and bred to fight they fight to such an extreme, both end up dead by the end of the evening. one dies during the fight, the other dies from extensive wounds and exhaustion.

but yeah, theres no difference between lab tests and a pit fight. im the one that has no clue on what im talking about, everyone else is the expert.

[Spazz]

I dont know how it got so complicated. Abuse of animals is a bad thing if ya dont agree with me on it its your opinion but your wrong. Finding ways to help human beings is a goodthing sometimes the only way to find an answer to look at live anatomy. True its sometimes cruel but if it helps human beings than it wasnt suffering for nothing. If you think dogs or other living things killing each other or something eating becuase it has to stay alive is in any way comparable (other than being a cool dude and having an arguement on the internet) to animal testing It is you looking at the world in a totally fucked perspective. Its your opinion but again your wrong.

[Langston]

the way I see it, in a dog fight, at least 1 dog gets to live, as opposed to the lab rats who all die


But I'm sure as an ex-pizza boy you have all kinds of life experience to share with us

the way i see it, is you dont know jack shit about what youre talking about. in most cases with both dogs being trained and bred to fight they fight to such an extreme, both end up dead by the end of the evening. one dies during the fight, the other dies from extensive wounds and exhaustion.

but yeah, theres no difference between lab tests and a pit fight. im the one that has no clue on what im talking about, everyone else is the expert.

Yes because clamping a rat to a stainless steel plate and injecting caustic chemicals under it's dermis is very humane.

Yay!

[Tuggan]

yeah, and we wouldnt have a fraction of the medicines, medical technology, creams, ointments, shampoos, soaps, food products, etc.. if it werent for lab tests on animals. go ahead and keep arguing like a fucking moron.

[Tikker]

the way I see it, in a dog fight, at least 1 dog gets to live, as opposed to the lab rats who all die


But I'm sure as an ex-pizza boy you have all kinds of life experience to share with us

the way i see it, is you dont know jack shit about what youre talking about. in most cases with both dogs being trained and bred to fight they fight to such an extreme, both end up dead by the end of the evening. one dies during the fight, the other dies from extensive wounds and exhaustion.

but yeah, theres no difference between lab tests and a pit fight. im the one that has no clue on what im talking about, everyone else is the expert.

the problem with the way you see it is that your a clueless young shit, who doesn't know fuck all about anything yet


if you can't see the similarities in 2 different situations where mankind cruelly kills other animals fo the sole benefit of mankind(in a non nutritional kind of way) then you're stupider than I gave you credit for


ps

get the fuck out of my ninja budgie thread pizza boy

[Metranon]

If you think dogs or other living things killing each other or something eating becuase it has to stay alive is in any way comparable (other than being a cool dude and having an arguement on the internet) to animal testing It is you looking at the world in a totally fucked perspective.

your "perspective" on this issue is only constructed by your ignorance of the issues. If you did any research on how animal testing is really conducted on a widespread scale, or how your food is prepared, you would realize that what takes place there is every bit as unabashedly "cruel" to animals as betting on dog fights.

It's easy to say other people are wrong when you're talking out of your ass.

[Spazz]

As far as the animals raised for food being treated poorly i thought i covered that when i said animal abuse = uncool and im aware that a lot of research was rediculus but i thought we were argueing in real general terms. You guys really like to split hairs

[Spazz]

Are you telling me dog fighting is an ok thing to do because we eat meat and do animal research ?

[Tikker]

As far as the animals raised for food being treated poorly i thought i covered that when i said animal abuse = uncool and im aware that a lot of research was rediculus but i thought we were argueing in real general terms. You guys really like to split hairs

No one's saying animal abuse is cool

people are just stomping on hypocrites who think there's a difference between diff't kinds of animal cruelty

[Spazz]

DO you think things like maybe cancer need a cure or better treatments ? That really isnt the same as profit from creating monsters for profit.

[Langston]

I only sanction one kind of animal cruelty:

skinning cats and dropping their flayed bodies onto ant hills while they still live.

But that's not really that cruel if you think about it. It's just a fucking cat. Not like I'm doing it to a rat or a snake.

[Metranon]

I'm saying that any value judgement you make about dog fighting is purely arbitrary, as is any judgement about eating meat or animal research.

Animals don't have "interests" as humans do thus ethics don't apply to them. Until a dog can say "hey asshole don;t make me fight to the death against other dogs, OK?" it doesn't merit ethical consideration. Any moral responsbility you attach to dealing with it is just sentimentality.

Let me ask you another question. Do you think it's wrong for people in Asia to both eat dogs as livestock and keep them as pets?

[Tuggan]

the problem with the way you see it is that your a clueless young shit, who doesn't know fuck all about anything yet


if you can't see the similarities in 2 different situations where mankind cruelly kills other animals fo the sole benefit of mankind(in a non nutritional kind of way) then you're stupider than I gave you credit for


ps

get the fuck out of my ninja budgie thread pizza boy

Yes, one must sit behind his computer for 30 years playing video games to experience life. Dur.. Typical response when you dont have jack shit to say.


I see the similarities, theyre blatantly obvious. Im not the one that brought them into the thread like they had any relevence.

Human survival, and human entertainment are not comparable. We need to eat. We need the things we take for granted to live life the way we want to. In order to have those things, we need to kill animals in an efficient manner. We need to test medicines and products on something other than a human to see if those products are safe. Cruel? Sometimes, but its nothing like putting two animals against eachother to fight to the death to amuse yourself. If you cant see the differences between lab tests, and pit fighting... im not the clueless one.

[Maeya]

You don't need to eat meat to survive.

[brinstar]

hopefully some day we will figure out how to make things without testing them on animals ;\

[Metranon]

As far as the animals raised for food being treated poorly i thought i covered that when i said animal abuse = uncool and im aware that a lot of research was rediculus but i thought we were argueing in real general terms. You guys really like to split hairs

I would argue that animal abuse is wrong because the human doing the abusing is taking pleasure in causing another living organism pain for no good reason than his own enjoyment, which isn't a healthy activity from a psychological perspective.

In other words, cruelty to animals is bad because doign it makes you a bad person...not because theres anything inherently wrong with hurting animals.

[Tikker]

We need the things we take for granted to live life the way we want to.

stupidest statement of all time

If you can't see the hypocracy in saying it's ok to torture thousands of animals just so that your eye liner doesn't give you a bit of red eye, yet condemn dog fighting, you're a lost cause


seriously

live a lit
experience life

then come back and get back on your soapbox

I mean, at least reach the ripe old age of 25 (however many years that'll take you)

[Tuggan]

Im glad thats all youre capable of coming up with Maeya, thank you for your input.

You dont need tylenol, shampoo, soap or toothpaste either. Lets get rid of it all, and go back to the good ol days where we sat around fires and bathed once a year.

[Maeya]

So, lets sum this up...

You condemn one sort of illegal recreational activity, yet persue another sort.

You feel that dog fighting is wrong because the animals are hurt and killed, yet feel that hurting and killing animals for research and food is perfectly acceptable.

You say killing animals for food is acceptable because we need to survive, yet you do not need to eat meat to survive.



Ahh.. makes perfect sense.