Fifty babies a year are alive after abortion

[Lyion]

This makes me a sad panda.....

Fifty babies a year are alive after abortion
Lois Rogers

A GOVERNMENT agency is launching an inquiry into doctors’ reports that up to 50 babies a year are born alive after botched National Health Service abortions.

The investigation, by the Confidential Enquiry into Maternal and Child Health (CEMACH), comes amid growing unease among clinicians over a legal ambiguity that could see them being charged with infanticide.

The Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists, which regulates methods of abortion, has also mounted its own investigation.

Its guidelines say that babies aborted after more than 21 weeks and six days of gestation should have their hearts stopped by an injection of potassium chloride before being delivered. In practice, few doctors are willing or able to perform the delicate procedure.

For the abortion of younger foetuses, labour is induced by drugs in the expectation that the infant will not survive the birth process. Guidelines say that doctors should ensure that the drugs they use prevent such babies being alive at birth.

In practice, according to Stuart Campbell, former professor of obstetrics and gynaecology at St George’s hospital, London, a number do survive.

“They can be born breathing and crying at 19 weeks’ gestation,” he said. “I am not anti-abortion, but as far as I am concerned this is sub-standard medicine.”

The number of terminations carried out in the 18th week of pregnancy or later has risen from 5,166 in 1994 to 7,432 last year. Prenatal diagnosis for conditions such as Down’s syndrome is increasing and foetuses with the condition are routinely aborted, even though many might be capable of leading fulfilling lives. In the past decade, doctors’ skill in saving the lives of premature babies has improved radically: at least 70%-80% of babies in their 23rd or 24th week of gestation now survive long-term.

Abortion on demand is allowed in Britain up to 24 weeks — more than halfway through a normal pregnancy and the highest legal limit for such terminations in Europe. France and Germany permit “social” abortions only up to the 10th and 12th weeks respectively.

Doctors are increasingly uneasy about aborting babies who could be born alive. “If viability is the basis on which they set the 24-week limit for abortion, then the simplest answer is to change the law and reduce the upper limit to 18 weeks,” said Campbell, who last year published a book showing images of foetuses’ facial expressions and “walking” movements taken with a form of 3-D ultrasound.

The Department of Health was alerted three months ago to the issue of babies surviving failed terminations. In August clinicians in Manchester published an analysis of 31 such babies born in northwest England between 1996 and 2001.

“If a baby is born alive following a failed abortion and then dies (because of lack of care), you could potentially be charged with murder,” said Shantala Vadeyar, a consultant obstetrician at South Manchester University Hospitals NHS Trust, who led the study.

A systematic investigation of data collected through the CEMACH indicated that there are at least 50 cases a year nationwide in which babies survive abortion attempts.

“First sight of our data suggests this is happening,” said Shona Golightly, the agency’s research director. She said official confirmation of the figures would be available next year.

It is not known how many babies who survive attempted abortions go on to live into adulthood.

Paul Clarke, a neonatal intensive care specialist in Norwich, has treated a boy born at 24 weeks after three failed abortion attempts. The mother decided to keep the child, who is now two years old but is suffering what doctors call “significant ongoing medical problems”.

“The survival of this child was not recorded in any official statistics,” Clarke said. “There is nothing at the moment to force abortion practitioners to account for their failures.”

The issue will be highlighted by Gianna Jessen, 28, who survived an attempt to abort her. She is to speak at a parliamentary meeting on December 6 organised by the Alive and Kicking campaign, which is lobbying for a reduction of the abortion limit to 18 weeks.

Jessen, a musician from Nashville, Tennessee, was left with cerebral palsy but is to run in the London marathon next April to raise funds for fellow sufferers.

“If abortion is about women’s rights, then what were my rights?” she asked.

“If people are going to talk about abortion, then it’s important for them to know that these are babies that can be born alive and survive.”

[Captain Insano]

so bash their heads in with hammers before you throw them in the garbage... or use a microwave. Who fucking cares. We have enough shitstick people breeding as it is. Look at Jirig. If anyone needed a good abortion it was that clownpole's mom.

[Tikker]

I didn't know you could do an abortion after the 12th week, I have to admit

[Zanchief]

4th trimester abortions?

[Lyion]

I didn't know you could do an abortion after the 12th week, I have to admit

Yup, you can have them in the third trimester here, longer even than Britain.

In France, you can't have them after the 1st trimester.

[Jirig]

so bash their heads in with hammers before you throw them in the garbage... or use a microwave. Who fucking cares. We have enough shitstick people breeding as it is. Look at Jirig. If anyone needed a good abortion it was that clownpole's mom.

Oh the pain. You're the most unoriginal dumbfuck poster I've ever had the distaste of reading, Ralf. Your mindless drivel is about as useful as an asshole on my elbow. You make Mindia seem not only intelligent, but I actually find myself craving his contributions simply because it would detract from the ungodly amount of stupidity you seem to bequeath to the poor souls of this forum on a daily basis.

You're inarticulate, mentally impaired, dim-witted, and incoherent.

I usually just skim over your posts because reading your simpleton bullshit in totality would seriously make me want to gouge my fucking eyes out. You are about as entertaining as watching grass grow in a windowbox.

Your posts are the world's greatest proof of reincarnation; no one could get that dumb in just one lifetime. Your "contributions" are an orgy of stultifying cacophonous verbal depravity; an exercise in literary impotence, and an offense to good taste.

You would be out of your depth in a parking lot puddle. Why is it that the people with the smallest minds always have the biggest mouths? Well, you're certainly thoughtless; I just wish that you were keyboard-less, too. I am reminded of something relevant that Benjamin Disraeli said: "He was distinguished for ignorance - for he had only one idea and that was wrong."

In conclusion, why don't you go away and play Russian roulette with all chambers fully-loaded?

[Captain Insano]

so bash their heads in with hammers before you throw them in the garbage... or use a microwave. Who fucking cares. We have enough shitstick people breeding as it is. Look at Jirig. If anyone needed a good abortion it was that clownpole's mom.

Oh the pain. You're the most unoriginal dumbfuck poster I've ever had the distaste of reading, Ralf. Your mindless drivel is about as useful as an asshole on my elbow. You make Mindia seem not only intelligent, but I actually find myself craving his contributions simply because it would detract from the ungodly amount of stupidity you seem to bequeath to the poor souls of this forum on a daily basis.

You're inarticulate, mentally impaired, dim-witted, and incoherent.

I usually just skim over your posts because reading your simpleton bullshit in totality would seriously make me want to gouge my fucking eyes out. You are about as entertaining as watching grass grow in a windowbox.

Your posts are the world's greatest proof of reincarnation; no one could get that dumb in just one lifetime. Your "contributions" are an orgy of stultifying cacophonous verbal depravity; an exercise in literary impotence, and an offense to good taste.

You would be out of your depth in a parking lot puddle. Why is it that the people with the smallest minds always have the biggest mouths? Well, you're certainly thoughtless; I just wish that you were keyboard-less, too. I am reminded of something relevant that Benjamin Disraeli said: "He was distinguished for ignorance - for he had only one idea and that was wrong."

In conclusion, why don't you go away and play Russian roulette with all chambers fully-loaded?

I put two seconds of time into my original comment and you look to have spent 30 minutes writing some shit I didn't read. Thats 30 minutes of your pathetic excuse for a life you won't ever get back chump.

[Harrison]

so bash their heads in with hammers before you throw them in the garbage... or use a microwave. Who fucking cares. We have enough shitstick people breeding as it is. Look at Jirig. If anyone needed a good abortion it was that clownpole's mom.

Oh the pain. You're the most unoriginal dumbfuck poster I've ever had the distaste of reading, Ralf. Your mindless drivel is about as useful as an asshole on my elbow. You make Mindia seem not only intelligent, but I actually find myself craving his contributions simply because it would detract from the ungodly amount of stupidity you seem to bequeath to the poor souls of this forum on a daily basis.

You're inarticulate, mentally impaired, dim-witted, and incoherent.

I usually just skim over your posts because reading your simpleton bullshit in totality would seriously make me want to gouge my fucking eyes out. You are about as entertaining as watching grass grow in a windowbox.

Your posts are the world's greatest proof of reincarnation; no one could get that dumb in just one lifetime. Your "contributions" are an orgy of stultifying cacophonous verbal depravity; an exercise in literary impotence, and an offense to good taste.

You would be out of your depth in a parking lot puddle. Why is it that the people with the smallest minds always have the biggest mouths? Well, you're certainly thoughtless; I just wish that you were keyboard-less, too. I am reminded of something relevant that Benjamin Disraeli said: "He was distinguished for ignorance - for he had only one idea and that was wrong."

In conclusion, why don't you go away and play Russian roulette with all chambers fully-loaded?

What a faggot


Back on track now that pussyboy here started crying...


I think if you're a stupid cunt who tried to abort a baby 3 times and failed...you deserve to be charged with attempted murder.

That baby now has to grow up and live a life of major difficulties only because you are a barbaric whore with no care for anyone but herself.

[Jirig]

so bash their heads in with hammers before you throw them in the garbage... or use a microwave. Who fucking cares. We have enough shitstick people breeding as it is. Look at Jirig. If anyone needed a good abortion it was that clownpole's mom.

Oh the pain. You're the most unoriginal dumbfuck poster I've ever had the distaste of reading, Ralf. Your mindless drivel is about as useful as an asshole on my elbow. You make Mindia seem not only intelligent, but I actually find myself craving his contributions simply because it would detract from the ungodly amount of stupidity you seem to bequeath to the poor souls of this forum on a daily basis.

You're inarticulate, mentally impaired, dim-witted, and incoherent.

I usually just skim over your posts because reading your simpleton bullshit in totality would seriously make me want to gouge my fucking eyes out. You are about as entertaining as watching grass grow in a windowbox.

Your posts are the world's greatest proof of reincarnation; no one could get that dumb in just one lifetime. Your "contributions" are an orgy of stultifying cacophonous verbal depravity; an exercise in literary impotence, and an offense to good taste.

You would be out of your depth in a parking lot puddle. Why is it that the people with the smallest minds always have the biggest mouths? Well, you're certainly thoughtless; I just wish that you were keyboard-less, too. I am reminded of something relevant that Benjamin Disraeli said: "He was distinguished for ignorance - for he had only one idea and that was wrong."

In conclusion, why don't you go away and play Russian roulette with all chambers fully-loaded?

I put two seconds of time into my original comment and you look to have spent 30 minutes writing some shit I didn't read. Thats 30 minutes of your pathetic excuse for a life you won't ever get back chump.

I rest my case. Think before you decide to spew your insufferable opinion all over the fucking board, you cockmonkey.

[Harrison]

Take your bleeding vaginal canal into another thread bitchboy.

[The Kizzy]

so bash their heads in with hammers before you throw them in the garbage... or use a microwave. Who fucking cares. We have enough shitstick people breeding as it is. Look at Jirig. If anyone needed a good abortion it was that clownpole's mom.

Oh the pain. You're the most unoriginal dumbfuck poster I've ever had the distaste of reading, Ralf. Your mindless drivel is about as useful as an asshole on my elbow. You make Mindia seem not only intelligent, but I actually find myself craving his contributions simply because it would detract from the ungodly amount of stupidity you seem to bequeath to the poor souls of this forum on a daily basis.

You're inarticulate, mentally impaired, dim-witted, and incoherent.

I usually just skim over your posts because reading your simpleton bullshit in totality would seriously make me want to gouge my fucking eyes out. You are about as entertaining as watching grass grow in a windowbox.

Your posts are the world's greatest proof of reincarnation; no one could get that dumb in just one lifetime. Your "contributions" are an orgy of stultifying cacophonous verbal depravity; an exercise in literary impotence, and an offense to good taste.

You would be out of your depth in a parking lot puddle. Why is it that the people with the smallest minds always have the biggest mouths? Well, you're certainly thoughtless; I just wish that you were keyboard-less, too. I am reminded of something relevant that Benjamin Disraeli said: "He was distinguished for ignorance - for he had only one idea and that was wrong."

In conclusion, why don't you go away and play Russian roulette with all chambers fully-loaded?

I put two seconds of time into my original comment and you look to have spent 30 minutes writing some shit I didn't read. Thats 30 minutes of your pathetic excuse for a life you won't ever get back chump.

They are canned responses Ralf. He puts your name in, and hits a button and then copies and pastes.

[Tikker]

ps, let's get back to the more gentle, forgiving topic of abortion

[exploit]

What do you get when you stab a baby 25 times?



















an erection

[Lyion]

This thread is full of examples of people who most likely survived attempted abortions....

[Jirig]

Take your bleeding vaginal canal into another thread bitchboy.

I'm sorry... but the fact that you're an uneducated, obese, wannabe poser annuls any flameworthy attempt at an insult you could possibly muster.

But go ahead and continue deluding yourself into thinking I give a shit what you say, Harrison.

That in itself is entertaining, I guess.

[Jirig]

This thread is full of examples of people who most likely survived attempted abortions....

Seems like more of a feat to survive the constant idiocy some people around here seem to gush.

[Goose_Man]

This thread is full of examples of people who most likely survived attempted abortions....

Seems like more of a feat to survive the constant idiocy some people around here seem to gush.

Hey dick boss, stop trying to sound like a smart guy.

No one here is impressed by your teenage bravado.

[Jirig]

Me? Impress you retards? Flaming you half-witted morons is like shooting fish in a fucking barrel.

If you scroll up, you'll notice that I didn't instigate anything here. Ralf called my name into this thread.

[Captain Insano]

so bash their heads in with hammers before you throw them in the garbage... or use a microwave. Who fucking cares. We have enough shitstick people breeding as it is. Look at Jirig. If anyone needed a good abortion it was that clownpole's mom.

Oh the pain. You're the most unoriginal dumbfuck poster I've ever had the distaste of reading, Ralf. Your mindless drivel is about as useful as an asshole on my elbow. You make Mindia seem not only intelligent, but I actually find myself craving his contributions simply because it would detract from the ungodly amount of stupidity you seem to bequeath to the poor souls of this forum on a daily basis.

You're inarticulate, mentally impaired, dim-witted, and incoherent.

I usually just skim over your posts because reading your simpleton bullshit in totality would seriously make me want to gouge my fucking eyes out. You are about as entertaining as watching grass grow in a windowbox.

Your posts are the world's greatest proof of reincarnation; no one could get that dumb in just one lifetime. Your "contributions" are an orgy of stultifying cacophonous verbal depravity; an exercise in literary impotence, and an offense to good taste.

You would be out of your depth in a parking lot puddle. Why is it that the people with the smallest minds always have the biggest mouths? Well, you're certainly thoughtless; I just wish that you were keyboard-less, too. I am reminded of something relevant that Benjamin Disraeli said: "He was distinguished for ignorance - for he had only one idea and that was wrong."

In conclusion, why don't you go away and play Russian roulette with all chambers fully-loaded?

I put two seconds of time into my original comment and you look to have spent 30 minutes writing some shit I didn't read. Thats 30 minutes of your pathetic excuse for a life you won't ever get back chump.

I rest my case. Think before you decide to spew your insufferable opinion all over the fucking board, you cockmonkey.

godamn I wish that bitch of a mother who spawned you would have got her hands on a better hanger.

[Captain Insano]

Me? Impress you retards? Flaming you half-witted morons is like shooting fish in a fucking barrel.

If you scroll up, you'll notice that I didn't instigate anything here. Ralf called my name into this thread.

and now i'm calling you a pussy.


You still lose. stfuysmf

[Goose_Man]

Me? Impress you retards? Flaming you half-witted morons is like shooting fish in a fucking barrel.

If you scroll up, you'll notice that I didn't instigate anything here. Ralf called my name into this thread.

Stop crying

[Jirig]

Oh snap. Double teamed by the ambiguously gay duo~

You guys decided to stop playing with eachother's penii just to respond to little old me?

... how touching.

[Goose_Man]

I think hes upset with me

[Harrison]

Take your bleeding vaginal canal into another thread bitchboy.

I'm sorry... but the fact that you're an uneducated, obese, wannabe poser annuls any flameworthy attempt at an insult you could possibly muster.

But go ahead and continue deluding yourself into thinking I give a shit what you say, Harrison.

That in itself is entertaining, I guess.

You typed up a response with multiple sentences.

[Jirig]

Take your bleeding vaginal canal into another thread bitchboy.

I'm sorry... but the fact that you're an uneducated, obese, wannabe poser annuls any flameworthy attempt at an insult you could possibly muster.

But go ahead and continue deluding yourself into thinking I give a shit what you say, Harrison.

That in itself is entertaining, I guess.

You typed up a response with multiple sentences.

Ok...?