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Postby Adivina » Sat Dec 17, 2005 11:57 am

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This is so terrible. I cannot believe today's youth is so fucked up and jaded. Not to mention the complete lack of remorse.... the kid went to fucking taco bell after he killed his father?? WTF.

SANTA CLARA, Calif. - A 15-year-old boy allegedly killed his father, then set their home on fire because he was afraid his father would find out he was failing some classes, prosecutors said.

Ryan Watts was charged Friday with murdering his father, 50-year-old John E. Bruner, who was initially believed to have died in the fire earlier this week. He was charged as an adult.

Watts was arrested Wednesday after an autopsy determined that Bruner died from multiple gunshot wounds and not from the fire, Santa Clara police said.

According to court documents, Watts told police he took a .45-caliber handgun from a safe in his father's bedroom and stashed it in his room shortly before the killing.

Court documents allege he shot his father in the head at close range Monday, then set the body on fire because it was too heavy to carry to the backyard, where he had planned to bury it. Watts hid the gun and went to Taco Bell before calling 911 to report the fire, the documents said.

Watts' parents apparently were separated, and he had been staying at his mother's home since the fire, police said.

If convicted, Watts faces life in prison. He is not eligible for the death penalty because he's a juvenile.

Watts is expected to enter a plea during a Dec. 22 court appearance.
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Postby Gypsiyee » Sat Dec 17, 2005 12:05 pm

wow, wtf

I almost hope the father is like, an abusive child molester and that's why the kid didn't want him to find out, lest he be abused

I'm going to go ahead and assume there's more to the story, because I'd like to think that no one is that terrible that they'd sooner kill than get grounded a couple weeks ><
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Postby Ouchyfish » Sat Dec 17, 2005 12:42 pm

Take a look at the video games parents let their kids play these days. Look at tv and movies. Society will start reaping wtf the have been sowing by letting the boob tube and video games be the baby sitter, especially with the garbage out there these days.

Kids in 10 years will be about as desensitized to extreme violence as your typical combat vietnam vet is now.
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Postby Phlegm » Sat Dec 17, 2005 1:16 pm

I wonder what he ordered at Taco Bell. What is an appropriate meal after a killing?
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Postby Phlegm » Sat Dec 17, 2005 1:17 pm

By the way, this was all over the local news yesterday. According to his classmates, the kid is a loner and always talked about committing suicide.
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Postby Gypsiyee » Sat Dec 17, 2005 1:43 pm

maybe he thought if he killed his dad he could get the death penalty and be put to sleep but given happy drugs first so you don't feel the poison coursing through your veins - i mean, that is a good and painless way to go

i'm still going to go with the theory that his dad was a freak of nature though. him being a loner only reaffirms my idea that he wouldn't care enough about being grounded to kill someone over it
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Postby Spazz » Sat Dec 17, 2005 1:47 pm

Ya know i dont know bout you guys but report card time was allways really shitty at my house. I never wanted to blast my mom or anything but still it really sucked.
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Postby Minrott » Sat Dec 17, 2005 1:48 pm

If that was really his reason for doing this, I hope this kid is tried as an adult, and sent to an adult prison. Then he'll see some abuse to complain about.
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Postby Jay » Sat Dec 17, 2005 11:02 pm

OuchyFish wrote:Take a look at the video games parents let their kids play these days. Look at tv and movies. Society will start reaping wtf the have been sowing by letting the boob tube and video games be the baby sitter, especially with the garbage out there these days.

Kids in 10 years will be about as desensitized to extreme violence as your typical combat vietnam vet is now.


Hey man, I grew up watching Miami Vice, Terminator, Tango and Cash and playing Street Figher II, Contra, Doom, and all that violent stuff. I'm not a lunatic. It's not so much that parents let their kids do this or do that, it's the fact they assume the kid knows the difference between right and wrong and don't tell them anything. If anything, I think violent media gets it out of their system when they interact with it on a fantasy/fictional level.
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Postby Yamori » Sun Dec 18, 2005 12:29 am

My guess is:

a) The kid's father was very abusive, and there is more to this story than a bizarre and random shooting over a trivial matter (ie: father threatened to beat kid within an inch of his life if his grades didn't shape up, and had past history to back that claim up).
b) The kid is mental
c) both B and C

I don't see how video games and loose morals necessarily enter into this.

It always amuses me when people blame video games as the "cause" of violence, as if things like domestic disturbance and abuse take a backseat to Mortal Kombat and Grand Theft Auto, roffle.
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Postby Ouchyfish » Sun Dec 18, 2005 12:58 am

Erodalak wrote:Hey man, I grew up watching Miami Vice, Terminator, Tango and Cash and playing Street Figher II, Contra, Doom, and all that violent stuff. I'm not a lunatic. It's not so much that parents let their kids do this or do that, it's the fact they assume the kid knows the difference between right and wrong and don't tell them anything. If anything, I think violent media gets it out of their system when they interact with it on a fantasy/fictional level.


Miami Vice was Disney shit compared to Grand Theft Auto and True Crime.

Ever see girls doing the shit on Miami Vice that they do on MTV these days? (Fuck I wish back in those days!) =)

I am not saying it is the only contributor but I do believe the entertainment (movies, video games, etc) is definately helping a great deal to unseat the unbalanced motherfuckers out there.
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Postby Minrott » Sun Dec 18, 2005 3:59 am

If you don't think games and voilence on television or movies can have a desensitizing effect on children, you're blind. On the same note, if you believe them to be a root cause, you're a bad parent.
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Postby The Kizzy » Sun Dec 18, 2005 8:40 am

Hmmmm.............Lets weigh the options here.

Get my ass beat for getting bad grades, or get my ass plugged by a bunch of bif Bubbas in prison for the rest of my life...........

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Postby brinstar » Sun Dec 18, 2005 10:34 am

Erodalak wrote:Hey man, I grew up watching Miami Vice, Terminator, Tango and Cash and playing Street Figher II, Contra, Doom, and all that violent stuff. I'm not a lunatic.


goddamn right. fuck the finger-pointers, they're just looking for an easy target.
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Postby Zanchief » Sun Dec 18, 2005 10:45 am

1 out of 100,000,000 kids kills their father.

Must be a trend because of the violent video games.
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Postby Gypsiyee » Sun Dec 18, 2005 11:17 am

Kizz -

Now, I'm not saying this excuses it at all, but let's just pretend that there are circumstances that aren't being released in the press, which is almost always the case

Let's imagine the dad was a child molestor who royally fucked this kid in the head for life by fondling his nono bags since he was a toddler, and buttfucking him for just as long. Let's also imagine that not only is it just "a beating" but the guy beats him to a bloody pulp with even the slightest amount of poor behavior (by poor behavior, let's say oops, he drank out of the milk carton.)

Now I realize that this is an extreme case, and likely rare, but let's just pretend for a moment that this IS the case, because there are some fucked up people out there who do that to their children, sad as it is. If, by chance, this was a case that was so extreme, to me it's a bit more justified that the father would die out of "I'm not letting you touch me again, this is the last straw" type of thing.

There are some sick fucking people in the world, and that type of thing happens more often than we realize =\ A few years ago, where I used to live, a dog happened to find a garbage bag washed ashore with a toddler's corpse inside, rotten, naked, and pretty much just a bag of bones due to how old it was. This toddler was murdered by his parents, not just by shooting him or anything quick, but by being locked in the cabinet for a month or so (don't remember the exact timeframe) and the only time he was paid attention to was if he cried, and they'd open the cabinet to shut him up. He was quiet for two weeks or so and they forgot he existed, and found him starved to death due to a stench in the house, so they threw him in a bag in the ocean. This kid was like 3 years old.. I'll look for that story in some archives, was like 7 years ago I wanna say.

Now, in cases like that, if that kid were to live and flip out and kill his parents.. while not totally justified, those people deserve to suffer a horrid death.

I'm not saying this kid is a good kid and doesn't deserve punishment, I'm saying there's almost always more than meets the eye on cases like this.
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Postby Phlegm » Sun Dec 18, 2005 1:28 pm

Here's what in today local newspaper, the San Jose Mercury News:

Abuse alleged in case of teen accused of killing father

15-YEAR-OLD SNAPPED LAST WEEK, MOM SAYS

By Brandon Bailey
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The mother of a Santa Clara youth who has been charged with murdering his father says the boy told her he finally snapped last week when he could no longer endure his father's bullying and verbal abuse.

``He said, `Mom, I just couldn't please him. I couldn't do enough. I couldn't do anything right,' '' said Leoni Watts in an interview Saturday. She was describing her first tearful conversation with 15-year-old Ryan Watts, after he was arrested for allegedly shooting 50-year-old John Bruner to death and setting a fire to cover up the crime.

Police have said Watts told them he shot his father last week because he feared Bruner's reaction to a bad report card. They said Watts set fire to the house where he lived with his father and then went for a meal at a Taco Bell.

Leoni Watts, who lived apart from her son and his father, said she believes her son is only beginning to grasp what he did. She said the youth, who is being given anti-anxiety medicine at Santa Clara County juvenile hall, cried when she visited him Thursday.

But he also seemed relieved that his father was no longer alive, she said.

Authorities have charged Watts in adult court and say he could face life in prison. The boy initially told neighbors and firefighters that he had come home and discovered the house on fire, with his father inside. He confessed after the coroner found Bruner had gunshot wounds and no smoke in his lungs -- indicating he died before the fire began.

Now, Leoni Watts said, she is dealing with her own guilt for not intervening or even realizing what had been going on in her son's life.

She referred to Bruner several times as a good man who loved his son, and said he was struggling with obesity and health problems. But she said he apparently vented his frustration by constantly criticizing her son, belittling him and overloading him with chores. She said the boy also said Bruner occasionally struck him with a bamboo stick.

Echoing those contradictions, his neighbors on Santa Clara's Bucher Street offered sharply differing impressions of the dead man.

`Guardian angel'

Mary Parson, who lived across the street, said Bruner was a ``guardian angel'' who kept an eye out for everyone on the block. She said Bruner helped people with computer and automotive repairs and seemed to have a warm relationship with his son. Just last Halloween, she said the boy and his father took delight in dressing up and putting on a scary display for trick-or-treaters.

But two other neighbors, who did not want to be named, said they were frequently disturbed to hear Bruner cursing angrily at his son, giving him orders and criticizing him for not performing chores correctly. Bruner ran a computer repair business from his home, although neighbors said he did not appear to be working full time.

All of the neighbors described Watts as polite and seemingly gentle; some said he appeared withdrawn and subdued.

Others who might know about the case were not available for comment Saturday: Police referred questions to a prosecutor who could not be reached. A housemate who lived with Bruner, and a sister of Bruner's who lives in San Jose, could not be located.

Leoni Watts, 51, spoke openly about her own troubled life, saying she has struggled with drug addiction and has two other children by different fathers. While she said she tried to play a role in her son's life, by calling him and having him visit her small Sunnyvale apartment, she acknowledged that she gave Bruner custody of the boy years ago when she was using drugs.

She said she agreed to let the boy live with his father even after she quit using drugs and completed a rehabilitation program because she was convinced Bruner was a good parent.

``I sound like such an out-of-touch mom, I know. But I didn't see that other side of John,'' Watts said. She added that her son had told her about going to concerts and on fishing trips with Bruner.

``He acted like he adored his father,'' Watts said, adding that the teenager often bragged that his father knew all about computers and cars.

`My dad's real sick'

But over the last year, she said, some things changed. Her son began telling her that Bruner didn't want him staying overnight at her apartment, and Bruner insisted that the boy wait for him outside on the corner whenever the father came to pick up his son. She also said: ``Ryan would tell me, `My dad's real sick, and he's not happy.' ''

Bruner weighed over 500 pounds, according to Leoni Watts and his neighbors. He was less able to get around and suffered from painful joints and other problems. One neighbor said he relentlessly ordered his son to do whatever he couldn't do for himself.

``Everybody feels for the kid. I think he really did have a fear of his father,'' said another neighbor.

Yet to Parson, Bruner was a good father who enjoyed sharing knowledge with his son. They worked together on restoring an old Mustang that sits in their driveway. She said Bruner talked to her about losing weight and improving his health so he would be there for his son as he grew older.

``It breaks my heart for John, the idea of his son killing him,'' Parson said. ``It breaks my heart for Ryan, whatever was going on in his head.''

The boy's mother said she, too, is heartbroken. She said there is no justification for killing Bruner, and she wants her son to understand that what he did can't be minimized. But she also said she told him during a visit Saturday that she wants to help him learn to live with what he did.

``He's very bright, but he didn't know that he had choices,'' she told a reporter. ``I can't convey to you the guilt I feel.''
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Postby Jesus » Sun Dec 18, 2005 3:07 pm

Bruner weighed over 500 pounds, according to Leoni Watts and his neighbors.


No shit the kid couldn't drag his corpse out back to bury him, haha!
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Postby Yamori » Sun Dec 18, 2005 3:28 pm

Hmmmm.............Lets weigh the options here.

Get my ass beat for getting bad grades, or get my ass plugged by a bunch of bif Bubbas in prison for the rest of my life...........

choices choices



I think you're not fully imagining what a parent can do to a child. I'm not talking about a severe belt whipping.

I'm talking about full blown punches, shoving / slamming heads into walls, burning, hitting them with blunt objects, or worse.

That shit does happen - more often with step-parents than actual parents - but a few parents out there are just plain nuts, and if this was the case it is at least somewhat understandable that an unstable kid could lose control and do something like that out of fear.

But, reading that the guy was 500 pounds, I do wonder if the above is feasible. I doubt a super fat man like that could catch a 15 year old kid if they dashed away from him. ;p
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Postby Scoota McGee » Mon Dec 19, 2005 7:24 am

This is horrible... There is no excuse for something as monstrous as this. No human being should ever be allowed to eat at Taco Bell.
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Postby Yamori » Mon Dec 19, 2005 3:25 pm

Scoota McGee wrote:This is horrible... There is no excuse for something as monstrous as this. No human being should ever be allowed to eat at Taco Bell.



But the Lil' Bucket Parfaits!!! THE LIL BUCKET PARFAITS!!!!
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Postby Captain Insano » Mon Dec 19, 2005 8:27 pm

OuchyFish wrote:Take a look at the video games parents let their kids play these days. Look at tv and movies. Society will start reaping wtf the have been sowing by letting the boob tube and video games be the baby sitter, especially with the garbage out there these days.

Kids in 10 years will be about as desensitized to extreme violence as your typical combat vietnam vet is now.



I played a bunch of GTA and BF2 today while I listened to Marilyn Manson. Tomorrow I'm going to shoot up an elementary school just for fun.

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Give me a godamn break...These shithead kids aren't desensitized to violence...They aren't sensitized to asswhoopings. I played violent games when I was a kid, watched Rambo fuck people up and downloaded pr0n on my 14.4 modem from BBS's. I didn't ever get close to actually killing anyone...You want to know why?

Because for much lesser crimes, like mouthing off to my mom, my dad pulled off his belt and whooped my ass... Grocery store, side of the I-5 freeway, Church... Didn't fucking matter.

HELL... this one time my dad was on a business trip I thought I could be a little asshole for 3 days my mom called the fucking neighbor's dad over, and he beat my ass.

There was no escape.

Kids need to feel pain when they fuck up for the slightest infraction. If everyone beat their kids and even lended a hand beating other people's children when they got out of line this sick shit wouldn't happen.

Now I'm sure some of you dirty hippies and communists will disagree, but if you just look at the history of our fine country this kind of shit never happened during the 30's/40's/40's etc... When kids got out of line not only did they get an fucking smack, mom and dad sent them out to plow the south field without Bernard the trusty mule or down the mine shaft to mine another bucket of coal.

The closest thing to punishment kids these days get is banished to their room where they get to surf horsy pr0n all day and play counterstrike or be all faggy on myspace.
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Postby mojo » Tue Dec 20, 2005 1:05 am

Hmmmm.............Lets weigh the options here.

Get my ass beat for getting bad grades, or get my ass plugged by a bunch of bif Bubbas in prison for the rest of my life...........

choices choices


now thats just funny!!

No ones pointing out the major part!!! responsibility!!
the mother didnt stop the "verbal abuse" the father was a wee bit "obese"
& the son was "tired" of having of to deal with consequencses for bad grades.
seems like 80 percent of the current populas fits into this so far & in this house hold no one being "responsible" in the family unit! "shock" :banghead:

im not insentive, but how many more kids are going to be allowed to continue killing, stealing etc.. until we stop with the "oh my games, are corrupting our children" crap & start whooping some arse!
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Postby The Kizzy » Tue Dec 20, 2005 8:23 am

He verbally abused his son, not sexually molested him, there is a big difference.

I still stand behind my original statement. If ti was that bad, he should have asked his mom for help. Period.
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Postby Tuggan » Tue Dec 20, 2005 8:29 am

im sure the mother was well aware of what was going on in her home. my dad was pretty abusive towards me when i was a youngster, physically, verbally and mentally. report card day was hell on earth at my house :-x . my mom was rather helpless to do anything about it even though it killed her to see it going on. i would hear them get into screaming matches after the fact, which is all she was really capable of doing.
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