Intelligent Design gets smacked down in PA

Real Life Events.

Go off topic and I will break you!

Moderator: Dictators in Training

Intelligent Design gets smacked down in PA

Postby Arlos » Tue Dec 20, 2005 11:11 am

Judge rules against Pa. biology curriculum
MARTHA RAFFAELE
Associated Press

HARRISBURG, Pa. - "Intelligent design" cannot be mentioned in biology classes in a Pennsylvania public school district, a federal judge said Tuesday, ruling in one of the biggest courtroom clashes on evolution since the 1925 Scopes trial.

Dover Area School Board members violated the Constitution when they ordered that its biology curriculum must include the notion that life on Earth was produced by an unidentified intelligent cause, U.S. District Judge John E. Jones III said. Several members repeatedly lied to cover their motives even while professing religious beliefs, he said.

The school board policy, adopted in October 2004, was believed to have been the first of its kind in the nation.

"The citizens of the Dover area were poorly served by the members of the Board who voted for the ID Policy," Jones wrote.

The board's attorneys had said members were seeking to improve science education by exposing students to alternatives to Charles Darwin's theory that evolution develops through natural selection. Intelligent-design proponents argue that the theory cannot fully explain the existence of complex life forms.

The plaintiffs challenging the policy argued that intelligent design amounts to a secular repackaging of creationism, which the courts have already ruled cannot be taught in public schools. The judge agreed.

"We find that the secular purposes claimed by the Board amount to a pretext for the Board's real purpose, which was to promote religion in the public school classroom," he wrote in his 139-page opinion.

The Dover policy required students to hear a statement about intelligent design before ninth-grade biology lessons on evolution. The statement said Charles Darwin's theory is "not a fact" and has inexplicable "gaps." It refers students to an intelligent-design textbook, "Of Pandas and People," for more information.

Jones wrote that he wasn't saying the intelligent design concept shouldn't be studied and discussed, saying its advocates "have bona fide and deeply held beliefs which drive their scholarly endeavors."

But, he wrote, "our conclusion today is that it is unconstitutional to teach ID as an alternative to evolution in a public school science classroom."

The controversy divided the community and galvanized voters to oust eight incumbent school board members who supported the policy in the Nov. 8 school board election.

Said the judge: "It is ironic that several of these individuals, who so staunchly and proudly touted their religious convictions in public, would time and again lie to cover their tracks and disguise the real purpose behind the ID Policy."

The board members were replaced by a slate of eight opponents who pledged to remove intelligent design from the science curriculum.

Eric Rothschild, the lead attorney for the families who challenged the policy, called the ruling "a real vindication for the parents who had the courage to stand up and say there was something wrong in their school district."

Richard Thompson, president and chief counsel of the Thomas More Law Center in Ann Arbor, Mich., which represented the school board, did not immediately return a telephone message seeking comment.

The dispute is the latest chapter in a long-running debate over the teaching of evolution dating back to the famous 1925 Scopes Monkey Trial, in which Tennessee biology teacher John T. Scopes was fined $100 for violating a state law that forbade teaching evolution. The Tennessee Supreme Court reversed his conviction on a technicality, and the law was repealed in 1967.

Jones heard arguments in the fall during a six-week trial in which expert witnesses for each side debated intelligent design's scientific merits. Other witnesses, including current and former school board members, disagreed over whether creationism was discussed in board meetings months before the curriculum change was adopted.

The case is among at least a handful that have focused new attention on the teaching of evolution in the nation's schools.

Earlier this month, a federal appeals court in Georgia heard arguments over whether evolution disclaimer stickers placed in a school system's biology textbooks were unconstitutional. A federal judge in January ordered Cobb County school officials to immediately remove the stickers, which called evolution a theory, not a fact.

In November, state education officials in Kansas adopted new classroom science standards that call the theory of evolution into question.


Good work, PA Court. Now, if we can just stop repackaged creationism from getting into OTHER schools in the country, all will be well.

-Arlos
User avatar
Arlos
Admin Abuse Squad
Admin Abuse Squad
 
Posts: 9021
Joined: Thu Mar 11, 2004 12:39 pm

Postby Zanchief » Tue Dec 20, 2005 11:26 am

You're going to hell.
User avatar
Zanchief
Chief Wahoo
Chief Wahoo
 
Posts: 14532
Joined: Sun Jul 04, 2004 7:31 pm

Postby alezrik » Tue Dec 20, 2005 12:16 pm

http://www.venganza.org/ should get equal time anywhere ID is being pushed.
Alezrik 65th level Arcanist Ex-Officer of Fist of Fate Nameless Server
<img src="http://www.subgenius.com/bigfist/pics6/friday2/flashanim.gif">
alezrik
NT Froglok
NT Froglok
 
Posts: 103
Joined: Sun Mar 14, 2004 11:59 pm

Postby Arlos » Tue Dec 20, 2005 12:41 pm

Ralf should find the following portion of FSM-theory amusing:

You may be interested to know that global warming, earthquakes, hurricanes, and other natural disasters are a direct effect of the shrinking numbers of Pirates since the 1800s. For your interest, I have included a graph of the approximate number of pirates versus the average global temperature over the last 200 years. As you can see, there is a statistically significant inverse relationship between pirates and global temperature.

Image

-Arlos
User avatar
Arlos
Admin Abuse Squad
Admin Abuse Squad
 
Posts: 9021
Joined: Thu Mar 11, 2004 12:39 pm

Postby Lyion » Tue Dec 20, 2005 12:44 pm

[img]http://www.venganza.org/piratesarecool4.jpg[/quote]

You lose at the Internets!
What saves a man is to take a step. Then another step.
C. S. Lewis
User avatar
Lyion
Admin Abuse Squad
Admin Abuse Squad
 
Posts: 14376
Joined: Wed Mar 10, 2004 1:42 pm
Location: Ohio

Postby Arlos » Tue Dec 20, 2005 12:54 pm

I have no idea what you're talking about.

-Arlos
User avatar
Arlos
Admin Abuse Squad
Admin Abuse Squad
 
Posts: 9021
Joined: Thu Mar 11, 2004 12:39 pm

Postby Tossica » Tue Dec 20, 2005 12:55 pm

Intelligent Design for Dummies!
User avatar
Tossica
NT Patron
NT Patron
 
Posts: 12490
Joined: Mon Mar 08, 2004 1:21 pm

Postby Arlos » Tue Dec 20, 2005 1:32 pm

BTW, on the Judge that decided the case, from CNN:

And interestingly, the judge in this case, Judge Jones, was an appointee of this President Bush in 2002. So the argument that this was some out-of-control liberal judge is going to be a little harder to make, given the fact that he was appointed by President Bush.


-Arlos
User avatar
Arlos
Admin Abuse Squad
Admin Abuse Squad
 
Posts: 9021
Joined: Thu Mar 11, 2004 12:39 pm

Postby Lyion » Tue Dec 20, 2005 2:18 pm

Actually a huge number of right leaning/conservatives (Krauthammer, Will, etc) are staunchly against ID.

Likewise, some very left leaning people are pro ID.

It's not really a right/left issue, just as being religious isn't. It's just a bit misrepresented in the media, who can't differentiate between ID, Creationism, Macroevolution, or Burrito Supreme.
What saves a man is to take a step. Then another step.
C. S. Lewis
User avatar
Lyion
Admin Abuse Squad
Admin Abuse Squad
 
Posts: 14376
Joined: Wed Mar 10, 2004 1:42 pm
Location: Ohio

Postby Captain Insano » Tue Dec 20, 2005 2:44 pm

I would teach burrito supreme if I was a teacher.
Tossica: No, you're gay because you suck on cocks.

Darcler:
Get rid of the pictures of the goofy looking white guy. That opens two right there.

Mazzletoffarado: That's me fucktard
Vivalicious wrote:Lots of females don't want you to put your penis in their mouths. Some prefer it in their ass.
User avatar
Captain Insano
Nappy Headed Ho
Nappy Headed Ho
 
Posts: 8368
Joined: Fri Apr 16, 2004 1:04 pm
Location: SoCal

Postby Lyion » Tue Dec 20, 2005 2:46 pm

I'm enroute Chipotle tonight, for a very intelligently designed burrito, thank you.
What saves a man is to take a step. Then another step.
C. S. Lewis
User avatar
Lyion
Admin Abuse Squad
Admin Abuse Squad
 
Posts: 14376
Joined: Wed Mar 10, 2004 1:42 pm
Location: Ohio

Postby Tadpole » Tue Dec 20, 2005 3:20 pm

Thank God. This is all I hear about because I go to this school. Luckily this is my final year there. :dunno:
Tadpole
NT Veteran
NT Veteran
 
Posts: 1227
Joined: Sat Mar 27, 2004 3:56 pm
Location: Pennsylvania

Postby dammuzis » Tue Dec 20, 2005 4:42 pm

remember the law is you cant "require" ID
but there is no law preventing a teacher from teaching it anyway
User avatar
dammuzis
NT Patron
NT Patron
 
Posts: 1337
Joined: Tue Mar 16, 2004 8:45 pm
Location: my cubicle

Re: Intelligent Design gets smacked down in PA

Postby brinstar » Tue Dec 20, 2005 5:42 pm

arlos wrote:Good work, PA Court. Now, if we can just stop repackaged creationism from getting into OTHER schools in the country, all will be well.

-Arlos


i agree

although we might have to burn kansas in order to save it
compost the rich
User avatar
brinstar
Cat Crew
Cat Crew
 
Posts: 13142
Joined: Tue Mar 09, 2004 1:45 pm
Location: 402

Postby Captain Insano » Tue Dec 20, 2005 5:58 pm

No one will miss kansas.
Tossica: No, you're gay because you suck on cocks.

Darcler:
Get rid of the pictures of the goofy looking white guy. That opens two right there.

Mazzletoffarado: That's me fucktard
Vivalicious wrote:Lots of females don't want you to put your penis in their mouths. Some prefer it in their ass.
User avatar
Captain Insano
Nappy Headed Ho
Nappy Headed Ho
 
Posts: 8368
Joined: Fri Apr 16, 2004 1:04 pm
Location: SoCal

Postby Tikker » Tue Dec 20, 2005 6:06 pm

Lyion wrote: It's just a bit misrepresented in the media, who can't differentiate between ID, Creationism, Macroevolution, or Burrito Supreme.



quick, explain the diff between ID and creationism to us Lyion

bonus points if you can do it without insulting anyone, or being condescending
Tikker
NT Legend
NT Legend
 
Posts: 14294
Joined: Tue Mar 09, 2004 5:22 pm

Postby Lyion » Tue Dec 20, 2005 6:28 pm

You mean like you just did?

Pot --> Kettle
What saves a man is to take a step. Then another step.
C. S. Lewis
User avatar
Lyion
Admin Abuse Squad
Admin Abuse Squad
 
Posts: 14376
Joined: Wed Mar 10, 2004 1:42 pm
Location: Ohio

Postby Minrott » Tue Dec 20, 2005 7:42 pm

Ok. Seriously speaking, what is the basic difference between ID and Creationism, aside from reference to specifics like Adam and Eve?
Molon Labe
User avatar
Minrott
NT Deity
NT Deity
 
Posts: 4480
Joined: Wed Mar 10, 2004 12:54 pm
Location: Wisconsin, USA

Postby Captain Insano » Tue Dec 20, 2005 7:52 pm

arlos wrote:Ralf should find the following portion of FSM-theory amusing:

You may be interested to know that global warming, earthquakes, hurricanes, and other natural disasters are a direct effect of the shrinking numbers of Pirates since the 1800s. For your interest, I have included a graph of the approximate number of pirates versus the average global temperature over the last 200 years. As you can see, there is a statistically significant inverse relationship between pirates and global temperature.

Image

-Arlos


I've been forced to kill off many of the other pirates. There can be only one.
Tossica: No, you're gay because you suck on cocks.

Darcler:
Get rid of the pictures of the goofy looking white guy. That opens two right there.

Mazzletoffarado: That's me fucktard
Vivalicious wrote:Lots of females don't want you to put your penis in their mouths. Some prefer it in their ass.
User avatar
Captain Insano
Nappy Headed Ho
Nappy Headed Ho
 
Posts: 8368
Joined: Fri Apr 16, 2004 1:04 pm
Location: SoCal

Postby Phlegm » Tue Dec 20, 2005 8:11 pm

Minrott wrote:Ok. Seriously speaking, what is the basic difference between ID and Creationism, aside from reference to specifics like Adam and Eve?


Intelligent Design is concept in which Aliens came from outer space and created the human race. Creation from a higher intelligent species.

Creationism is when some big shot with super power created the human race. Under this theory, the human race basically resulted from incestuous relationships through the ages.
Phlegm
Nappy Headed Ho
Nappy Headed Ho
 
Posts: 6258
Joined: Tue Aug 03, 2004 5:50 pm

Postby Lyion » Tue Dec 20, 2005 8:12 pm

Phlegm wrote:
Minrott wrote:Ok. Seriously speaking, what is the basic difference between ID and Creationism, aside from reference to specifics like Adam and Eve?


Intelligent Design is concept in which Aliens came from outer space and created the human race. Creation from a higher intelligent species.

Creationism is when some big shot with super power created the human race. Under this theory, the human race basically resulted from incestuous relationships through the ages.


You forgot the Predators, who use the humans to breed the Aliens.

That, and The Flying Spaghetti Monster.
What saves a man is to take a step. Then another step.
C. S. Lewis
User avatar
Lyion
Admin Abuse Squad
Admin Abuse Squad
 
Posts: 14376
Joined: Wed Mar 10, 2004 1:42 pm
Location: Ohio

Postby Tikker » Tue Dec 20, 2005 9:30 pm

I didn't think you could do it Lyion~
Tikker
NT Legend
NT Legend
 
Posts: 14294
Joined: Tue Mar 09, 2004 5:22 pm

Postby Yamori » Tue Dec 20, 2005 11:39 pm

Minrott wrote:Ok. Seriously speaking, what is the basic difference between ID and Creationism, aside from reference to specifics like Adam and Eve?


Creationism is attempting to find evidence to support biblical history.

Intelligent design is a false "science," as it pretty much consists exclusively of criticising evolution and modern means of gaining evidence for evolution (carbon dating ect) rather than actually trying to prove ID or provide any real theory.

I haven't read much on either so I could possibly be wrong, but every time these two pop up this is what they seem to be about.
-Yamori
AKA ~~Baron Boshie of the Nameless~~
User avatar
Yamori
NT Traveller
NT Traveller
 
Posts: 2002
Joined: Wed Mar 24, 2004 5:02 pm

Postby Captain Insano » Tue Dec 20, 2005 11:42 pm

I don't know about the rest of you fags but I was created when a ninja bride was brutally banged by the pirate king in a room full of plutonium.
Tossica: No, you're gay because you suck on cocks.

Darcler:
Get rid of the pictures of the goofy looking white guy. That opens two right there.

Mazzletoffarado: That's me fucktard
Vivalicious wrote:Lots of females don't want you to put your penis in their mouths. Some prefer it in their ass.
User avatar
Captain Insano
Nappy Headed Ho
Nappy Headed Ho
 
Posts: 8368
Joined: Fri Apr 16, 2004 1:04 pm
Location: SoCal

Postby Yamori » Wed Dec 21, 2005 12:08 am

I just descended from the heavens fully grown.
-Yamori
AKA ~~Baron Boshie of the Nameless~~
User avatar
Yamori
NT Traveller
NT Traveller
 
Posts: 2002
Joined: Wed Mar 24, 2004 5:02 pm

Next

Return to Current Affairs

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 27 guests

cron