Jill Carroll~

[Sorina S]

Our Father, who art in heaven
forgive us our tresspasses
as we forgive those who tresspass against us.

Lead us not into temptation,
Deliver us
You are the power, the glory

Be kind to our sister Jill, let her walk with you in her hour of need. We walk with her also. Have mercy, the world is wide, there is much we do not understand. We walk with the world. We walk with Jill tonight.

[Spazz]

HUH

[Tikker]

she's the journalist that was kidnapped, and i assume now killed, in Iraq, yes?

[Sorina S]

yes Tik, why do people come to this forum if they don't know what's going on in the world. Sorry, say a prayer for Jill, she would say one for you. You may be cynical that doesn't prevent you from prayer...just do it, you don't have to belive in it...I used to be skeptical myself...just do it, pray for Jill, and mean it. See what happens. It can't be any worse than if you didn't...

[Tuggan]

i pray to jesus no other fucking morons go running around iraq unless youre a goddamn marine.

[Sorina S]

i pray to jesus no other fucking morons go running around iraq unless youre a goddamn marine.

You know it's funny Tug, alot of them do, alot of em die or get mamed. Not many of em know what the fuck they're doin there. Funny thing, this little girl, Jill Carroll, was there for four years, thrice the normal deployment of a US serviceman or woman...funny thing is she shunned the guards, she wanderd into the population...to get the real story, for you. I have great respect for the USMC, but they have a very different mission.

Sure, easy to say that she was foolhardy, maybe she was...Would you be so brave? I wouldn't. Would your average Marine? Ranger? Delta? She's a little girl from Kansas, writes per diem for the CSM...she's got more balls than you could ever imagine. I don't care what company you were in I don't care how many troops you led...

Pray for Jill man, it doesn't hurt...trust me.

[Tuggan]

well now shes got the story that'll make her famous, congratulations jill carroll.

and she grew up in ann arbor, mi btw.

[Sorina S]

well now shes got the story that'll make her famous, congratulations jill carroll.

errrr, I've been told by the likes of Tikker and Lyion not to respond to trolls...but you sir are an ASSHOLE.

I can only hope that you're business takes you to Iraq soon and that you are ambushed, kidnapped, stuffed in a hole in the ground for weeks on end. Made to perform at the behest of an AK47 upside your your empty head to beg for you existence in exchange for demands that the US government wont even consider.

And then you too can have your 15 minutes of fame, and the only difference between you and Jill Carroll will be that she chose to be there, and you are too afraid to tread in her footsteps. Pray jackass, do it...ignore your impulse to be cynical, don't even try to own me, it's not about me...say a prayer, do it now, write it here. We wont laugh, prayer doesnt make you weak...

Pray with me,

Our Father, who art in heaven
Forgive us our tresspasses
As we forgive those

Deliver us from evil
For you are the power and the glory

That isn't so hard is it? Beats the hell outta being blindfolded in some hole in Iraq not knowing if you're gonna live to see tomorrow, doesn't it...doesn't it?

[Tuggan]

im not a person of faith, so saying a prayer in my opinion would be a bit of a mockery to those that are.

however, i dont feel sorry for the chick in the slightest. she chose to be there, which is exactly why i could care less. iraq just won the prestigious award of "dont go there if youre western, especially american or american press cause chances are you will get wtf kidnapped and beheaded on a shitty camcorder for al-jazeera's and ogrish.com's benefit". you do all the praying you like, maybe allah will take note and strike his faithful dead for making a statement with an infidel.

[Captain Insano]

i pray to jesus no other fucking morons go running around iraq unless youre a goddamn marine.

it's true... because we kill, everything we see!

[Tuggan]

i would also like to mention that terrorists done fucked up, if for some strange reason my day to day work ended up droppin me off in fallujah heights... i wouldnt go alone, and i would be packing the most heat physically possible.

no reading bullshit demands on TV in a ratty t-shirt with an AK in my back, no getting my head chopped off while crying for all the internet pyschos to get a kick out of. im going down as soon as the AK-47 weilding terrorist straffin fuckers show up, action movie style. diving over cars pistols in both hands, knife in my teeth and shit. i know whats finna happen when they catch me, fuck that shit.

[Sorina S]

im not a person of faith, so saying a prayer in my opinion would be a bit of a mockery to those that are.

however, i dont feel sorry for the chick in the slightest. she chose to be there, which is exactly why i could care less. iraq just won the prestigious award of "dont go there if youre western, especially american or american press cause chances are you will get wtf kidnapped and beheaded on a shitty camcorder for al-jazeera's and ogrish.com's benefit". you do all the praying you like, maybe allah will take note and strike his faithful dead for making a statement with an infidel.

Understood. I respect you choice but it was you who mocked my prayers and empathy. Even as one who feel nothing for the circumstance, certainly you can understand my objection.

It's interesting, tomorrow we may learn that Jill is dead. For what, I dunno. We'll get over it. Six months from now 8 bombs will kill 300 people in the NY subways...No life is more important than the next eh?

When they flew fully loaded passenger aircraft into the world trade centers did you care about that Tug? I mean hell, we deserverd it ight?

I feel sorry for you mate, you don't know what to think. You'll come back back with some clever quip, but you know...if you don't feel for Jill, you're worthless...you don't feel for anyone. And so many are putting their lives on the line everyday for you...no worries, I undestand. Alot of people have no clue what we're fighting for. Sad that...

[Tuggan]

oh give me a fuckin break, some dumb cunt goes and gets kidnapped cause shes in the most volatile place to be as an american at this moment and youre going to try to bring 9/11 or the possible next attack into it? she wasnt fighting for anything, she was foolish and is going to pay the ultimate price for it. too bad, so sad.

[Martrae]

I have to agree with Tuggan on this one. She knew the risks when she went over there.

[Sorina S]

oh give me a fuckin break, some dumb cunt goes and gets kidnapped cause shes in the most volatile place to be as an american at this moment and youre going to try to bring 9/11 or the possible next attack into it? she wasnt fighting for anything, she was foolish and is going to pay the ultimate price for it. too bad, so sad.

Yeah you're exactly right. Don't you get that? Don't get how increadibly brave that is? You don't do ya? I won't give you a break until you show me such bravery as she has.

You fucking coward, you fucking hypocryte, you fucking American. heh, All I asked you for was a prayer. Why fight it? We die by the thousands us humans, everyday. I didn't ask you to save the world, I didn't ask you to change your life...Say a prayer man, for Jill...it'll change your life, and maybe, if enough of us pray, it'll change hers.

You can't be that hard, heh, I seen hard...you're not it. My intention here is pure. It's difficult to argue with that. I hate that you derailed my thread. But maybe you learned something, relax no one expects a sudden change.

All I asked for was a prayer...somewhere, Jill waits for her fate, we eat and drink and watch movies on HBO and she waits, to die, or live. And you, deny her a prayer.

Our Father

[Sorina S]

Jeezuz Martrae you didnt read a word I wrote. It was never about who's fault it is....OMFG who's fault is it when a Marine gets his legs blown off by an IED, who's fault is it when an Apache chooper gets blown outta the sky by an SA7 who fucking cares...

argggh, if thats the judgement of this board all I can say is your a fucking stonefaced bunch of hypocryts. How can you people support a war you dont even understand. In a day or two Jill will either be released on found dead on a Baghdad street. And you won't care either way.

Yes, I'm angry at you. I think you've failed alot of people who thought you understood what they were doing. But you dont really care do ya, as long as it doesnt interupt your life. No worries.

[Tuggan]

i suppose stupidity equals bravery in your little world.

thousands do die everyday, many of them deserve a prayer much more than this woman. how bout you start up a thread for all of them too.

[Martrae]

Do I care what happens to some 'journalist' that shuns escorts so she could 'get the real story'? Nope. She made her bed..she's now lying in it.

To compare her to our troops is lame. She wasn't fighting for anything except her name in a paper or picture on a TV screen. Considering how badly the military is portrayed by reporters in Iraq you insult our military when you compare the sacrifice the military makes to some stupid reporter.

You say brave, I say incredibly dumb. Even military personnel don't wander the street by themselves and that's because they understand personal safety precautions. I bet she's the type of moron that walks down a dark alley in a big city at night and can't figure out why they were mugged and raped.

[Sorina S]

i suppose stupidity equals bravery in your little world.

thousands do die everyday, many of them deserve a prayer much more than this woman. how bout you start up a thread for all of them too.

OMFG don't go glib on us Tugger. Stupidity? Read the facts asswipe, she was in country for 4 years. She learned to speak arabic. She was prolly more qualified that most Spec Ops. Get a fucking grip.

I have started threads for them, on the old board. You people disgust me, and you wonder why I'm such a lib...Jill Carroll means as much to me as any US serviceman or woman in country.

In my 'little world' Tugger, I pay attention. But this is BS, if not one person here doesn't see my point, sad commentary. I hope to gawd they start consciption this spring. You'll enjoy Paris Isle...

PS Martrae, Get hit by a bus, k?

[Tuggan]

If she spoke the language, why was her translator killed? If shes more qualified than the Spec Ops, why was she only with a translator? You get a fuckin grip homie, she was dumb... and now, like I said earlier, will have to pay the ultimate price for being so stupi... er.. "brave".

[Sorina S]

Yeah, you're right Tug. You know it all...

[Tuggan]

Well its good we agree on at least one thing.

[Sorina S]

Well its good we agree on at least one thing.

And what is that?

[Tuggan]

Yeah, you're right Tug. You know it all...

[Sorina S]

For gwads sake join the military Tugger, they need more introspective folk like you.