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Tigole interviewed in the NY Times

Postby Menlaan » Sat Jan 28, 2006 4:12 pm

Didn't see this posted already:

The New York Times
January 28, 2006
The Gamer
Kill the Big, Bad Dragon (Teamwork Required)
By SETH SCHIESEL
Jeff Kaplan knows what it's like to try to please all of the people all of the time. Don't envy him.

As a lead game designer at Blizzard Entertainment for World of Warcraft, the ridiculously successful online PC game that now has more than 5.5 million subscribers, Mr. Kaplan, 33, is a combination of long-term planner, whipping boy, police chief and deity for a rabid global player-base that is about as large as the populations of the cities of Chicago, Houston and Detroit combined. Earlier massively multiplayer online games like EverQuest, which topped out at around a half-million users, appealed almost entirely to hard-core young male players. World of Warcraft, however, has shattered the expectations of just about everyone in the game industry because it also appeals to a broader, more casual audience. And one of the biggest reasons for that appeal is that much of the time, World of Warcraft is a relatively easy game.

That ease of play has made the game fantastically successful, but it has also created what has become almost a blood feud in the game and on Web message boards between the game's casual users and more serious players. The issue is that once players reach Level 60, if they want to keep fighting bigger and badder monsters and if they want to get rarer and more powerful loot, they must start to work in teams, perhaps of 10 or 20 players. The most epic challenges, like conquering Blackwing Lair and its master, the black dragon Nefarian, require 40 players to work together with the coordination of synchronized swimmers.

But because the game from Level 1 to Level 59 is so easy, there are a ton of Level 60 users who don't know how to be team players and don't have the time or inclination to learn. And that is the root of the current conflict. Casual players complain that they can't get rewards comparable to those earned by hard-core raiders, like the Claw of Chromaggus or Mish'undare, Circlet of the Mind Flayer. Raiders like me often respond that casual players just want a handout.

And caught in the middle are Mr. Kaplan, known online as Tigole, and the rest of the Blizzard team. For the game's newest high-end area, called Ahn'Qiraj, they set up a system earlier this month that essentially requires most of each server's population, casual and hard-core, to work together to amass huge amounts of war materiel like bandages and metals before the gates to the dungeon will open. Naturally, the population on some servers has responded by pulling together (much respect to the Medivh server for being first to open the gates), while on dozens of other servers, like mine, the war effort is progressing more slowly because casual players don't care about opening a high-end zone.

On Thursday morning, Mr. Kaplan took time to discuss World of Warcraft's high-end content, including new details about the game's next hard-core dungeon, the Naxxramas necropolis, home of the undead Scourge. (There is also an additional retail expansion expected later in the year, probably in the fall, that will increase the level cap to 70.) Here follow excerpts from the conversation:

Q. Tell me about your general approach to top-level content and how you can appeal to such a diverse user base.

A. What we constantly do is look at the whole picture. We need to address an audience like my mom, who plays once in a while but still manages to get to Level 60 and doesn't raid, all the way to people who play 14 hours a day who need less sleep than the rest of us. People talk about the game fundamentally changing at Level 60, and they are right. There are people who are seeking that hard-core endgame experience, but to people who casually follow the quests and just ended up at Level 60, it can be very jarring to them. We're trying to put in more content for them, like the Field Duty quests in Ahn'Qiraj, but the resolution we're all hoping for is the expansion, which will give those players more WOW as they know it. [Mr. Kaplan also said that the game would soon add a new casual-player-friendly armor set obtained through a multipart quest. The first parts can be completed by a solo player, he said, while the later parts will require a group of no more than five people.]

Q. Why not just let casual players get rewards comparable to those from raids?

A. It would be almost impossible for us to do, and this is a philosophical decision. We need to put a structure in place for players where they feel that if they do more difficult encounters, they'll get rewarded for it. As soon as we give more equal rewards across the board, for a lot of players it will diminish the accomplishment of killing something like Nefarian. My favorite times in the development cycle are when there are encounters that are close to being defeated but have not yet been beaten. It really creates a sense of awe among the players that there is something big and truly dangerous in the world. But it would be very disappointing if the items found on Nefarian were the same thing you could get in your nightly Stratholme run. [Stratholme is a much easier five-person dungeon.]

Q. What is your reaction to how the efforts to open Ahn'Qiraj are going?

A. This is the first time that we've really put all of the power in the hands of players. So you see some really interesting things going on. In some places, you see multiple über-guilds that have treated each other with respect, or who have called a truce, and are engaged in some massive collective farming. You see a lot of guilds setting up contests to encourage others to participate. The event really comes down to the politics and diplomacy on each realm. But we don't want to punish players on realms that aren't cooperating, so in a week or two the resources will start to just come in on their own. So we gave just enough time to let all of the servers show their feathers and strut their stuff; this is the time to see which servers can really put in the effort.

Q. How long do you think it will be until the top boss in Ahn'Qiraj is defeated?

A. My estimates are in the one-to-two-month range, but my expectation is that it could happen today. I've learned that as soon as something is in the game, you have to expect that it's going to be beaten.

Q. What can you tell me about Naxxramas?

A. Naxxramas is going to be the most difficult thing in the game until the expansion pack comes out. It will be the pinnacle, and it's absolutely massive. You'll see this big necropolis floating above Eastern Plaguelands. It's a 40-man raid zone, and it's bigger than the Undercity [one of the main cities in the game]. Things could change, but we're up to something like 18 bosses in there, and they are really cool, too. But it's going to be hard. Really hard. We're hoping to release it in the spring.

Q. Will we need to open Naxxramas with a big farming event like Ahn'Qiraj?

A. No. Naxxramas will just be open. But we do want to do a world event, which we want to call the Scourge Invasion, or hopefully something cooler than that, that would basically be something for everyone who's not going into Naxxramas. So they would see the impact without having to actually go in. [In other words, get ready for undead to pop up in some unlikely places.]

As usual, feedback is welcomed to thegamer@nytimes.com


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Postby Martrae » Sat Jan 28, 2006 7:03 pm

Mr. Kaplan....that made me laugh out loud.
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Postby nibbon » Sun Jan 29, 2006 3:23 am

tigole doesnt come to check up on NT anymore does he? :(
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Postby Ouchyfish » Sun Jan 29, 2006 8:13 am

Neither does Vonkaar.

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Postby Vincenti » Wed Feb 01, 2006 2:53 pm

When I grow up I wanna be jsut like Tig :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
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Postby Kramer » Wed Feb 08, 2006 8:58 am

I am figuring that ol tigole might be a LITTLE busy..... I don't know.... maybe.
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    Postby Jay » Wed Feb 08, 2006 1:31 pm

    Who's Tigole?
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    Postby Kramer » Wed Feb 08, 2006 2:06 pm

    read the article. and a poster on NT, maybe former poster.
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      Postby Tuggan » Wed Feb 08, 2006 2:27 pm

      was a rather popular NT personality. LoS rogue, guild leader, and did the LoS page updates for awhile. Left the EQ world when blizzard offered him a job on developing the highend game for WoW.
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      Postby Harrison » Wed Feb 08, 2006 4:17 pm

      Tuggan wrote:was a rather popular NT personality. LoS rogue, guild leader, and did the LoS page updates for awhile. Left the EQ world when blizzard offered him a job on developing the highend game for WoW.


      And he subsequently failed miserably!
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      Postby xaoshaen » Wed Feb 08, 2006 4:26 pm

      Harrison wrote:
      Tuggan wrote:was a rather popular NT personality. LoS rogue, guild leader, and did the LoS page updates for awhile. Left the EQ world when blizzard offered him a job on developing the highend game for WoW.


      And he subsequently failed miserably!


      Despite acknowledging your mastery of the art of failure, I must disagree with your conclusion.
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      Postby Harrison » Wed Feb 08, 2006 4:28 pm

      Anyone designing anything for WoW, failed miserably.
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      Postby xaoshaen » Wed Feb 08, 2006 4:50 pm

      Harrison wrote:Anyone designing anything for WoW, failed miserably.


      And here we have a classic example of someone holding emphatically holding forth an opinion on something they've never even experienced, let alone achieved the qualifications to criticize.
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      Postby Harrison » Wed Feb 08, 2006 5:01 pm

      xaoshaen wrote:
      Harrison wrote:Anyone designing anything for WoW, failed miserably.


      And here we have a classic example of someone holding emphatically holding forth an opinion on something they've never even experienced, let alone achieved the qualifications to criticize.


      Would you like to repeat that in english? I'm fucking shitfaced and typing more efficiently...
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      Postby Eldred » Wed Feb 08, 2006 5:32 pm

      Harrison wrote:
      xaoshaen wrote:
      Harrison wrote:Anyone designing anything for WoW, failed miserably.


      And here we have a classic example of someone holding emphatically holding forth an opinion on something they've never even experienced, let alone achieved the qualifications to criticize.


      Would you like to repeat that in english? I'm fucking shitfaced and typing more efficiently...


      He's saying you can't bitch about it because you aint been there yet. And your doing so, to sound cool by jumping on the bashing bandwagon.
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      Postby brinstar » Wed Feb 08, 2006 6:39 pm

      ahh, i see. it's ALCOHOL'S fault you're a fucking retard. of course.
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      Postby Harrison » Wed Feb 08, 2006 7:30 pm

      Eldred wrote:
      Harrison wrote:
      xaoshaen wrote:
      Harrison wrote:Anyone designing anything for WoW, failed miserably.


      And here we have a classic example of someone holding emphatically holding forth an opinion on something they've never even experienced, let alone achieved the qualifications to criticize.


      Would you like to repeat that in english? I'm fucking shitfaced and typing more efficiently...


      He's saying you can't bitch about it because you aint been there yet. And your doing so, to sound cool by jumping on the bashing bandwagon.


      I SAID FUCKING ENGLISH
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      Postby Gidan » Wed Feb 08, 2006 8:33 pm

      Harrison wrote:Anyone designing anything for WoW, failed miserably.


      Somone needs to tell that to the 5,500,000+ subscribers. How many subscribers did EQ peak out at again?
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      Postby Harrison » Wed Feb 08, 2006 9:27 pm

      Gidan wrote:
      Harrison wrote:Anyone designing anything for WoW, failed miserably.


      Somone needs to tell that to the 5,500,000+ subscribers. How many subscribers did EQ peak out at again?


      Hey, Backstreet Boys must have been musical geniuses!

      Wait...no...
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      Postby Aatrex » Wed Feb 08, 2006 10:08 pm

      haha man you are really not very intelligent.
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      Postby Harrison » Wed Feb 08, 2006 11:59 pm

      YEAH HAHAHAH ROFL LOLZ
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      Postby Ouchyfish » Thu Feb 09, 2006 1:53 am

      My question is, were 5.5 million people buying the same Backstreet Boys album, every month, month after month for over a year?

      If so, then yeah.

      Ya know the guy at the party that carries around the same drink all night, took one sip but acts like an annoying jackass because he thinks the alcohol in his hand admonishes him of any guilt?

      You're that guy.
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      Postby Adivina » Thu Feb 09, 2006 9:16 am

      Harrison I love you, but you are a fucking moron. If anything out of all the aspects of World of Warcraft the high end of the game is the most innovative and rewarding. The game doesn't truely start until the high end, in my opinion at least.

      The Onyxia fight is amazing. Tactical fucking genious, it is a fight that people who kill Nefarion can still wipe to if ONE person fucks up.

      Molten Core although mind numbing after the 100000 run, has a variety of different boss strategies, utilizing different classes as the key to each fight's sucess. ie - Warlocks for Garr, Hunters for Mag, etc. The conversation before the Ragnoros fight begins still impresses me, even after putting Rag on farm status I enjoy listening to it.

      Black Wing Lair - Holy shit, we just started this but already its a fucking blast. The Razorgore fight is pure chaos, and keeping control in the midst of said chaos is key. Hunters are kiting dragons in figure eights, shamans kiting legionaires in big circles, one person charming Razorgore to have him smash the precious little eggs. Another fight that if one person fucks up, shit goes downhill fast.

      AQ - not yet open on our server, but from what I have heard it is just as crazy. One of the last boss fights involves a giant eye that basically emitts a fucking death ray. No one has gotten to the boss yet, some rogues on test kind of exploited their way to the room to check it out. The room is filled with mirrors, although no one has figured out their use yet, most likely the fight is an interactive one where the death ray has to be reflected off of the mirrors.

      ZG - The aspects, hexxer, and demons are fun, cool strategies... Hakkar, ok he sorely dissapoints me. He is a good and he fucking kills himself. Cool fight concept though. The main tank tanks hakkar, he also mind controls whoever is closest to him, so we strip down a rogue and let him get mind controlled and smack people with his fists. The rest of the group stands in a pack and fights off Hakkar's sons, the sons emmit a poison cloud. Every minute Hakkar lifetaps, if you are not poisoned this heals him and kills everyone. If you are poisoned, it damages Hakkar. Cool concept, I'm just pissed that a god is so stupid that he poisons himself.
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      Postby Mop » Thu Feb 09, 2006 10:55 am

      again 1 - 60 wow is so - so 60 raids are very well designed.
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      Postby Tacks » Thu Feb 09, 2006 11:01 am

      Playing wow to level 59 is like watching the first 50% of a movie and not finishing it.
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