Coretta Scott King

[Ganzo]

If you can't make it in US, you are a lazy, dumb fucktard. It goes for both 80% of black population and entire trailer park white section.

[Zanchief]

You know.. "empathizing with black people" is just as prejudiced as anyone else saying they're all bad - you assume that they're all good.

No I don't. Thanks for assuming though.

[Gypsiyee]

You refer to them as an entirety - therefore you're assuming they're all that way; if you don't assume they are, you sure assume that anyone who posts assumes that they're all bad.

You come here defending every single black person to the death based on experience around very few black people and a completely different situation than those who have posted their opinions have been exposed to.

At any rate, you said you "empathize with black people" - that's a quote, directly from you - that's just as prejudiced as any other quotes you're so adament against.

[Diekan]

People who don't live in the US will never see the truth of any given situation. The media, our media, is as corrupt as they come and lean so far to the left they would need 5 right turns just to face center.

Oh, CNN will be more than happy to show the world video clips of white cops beating down some poor helpless black dude - but what they wont show you is the family he killed and the two hour car chase after...

Arguing with Zancheif is a waste of time - he doesn't know what's going on because he doesn't live here. All he knows is what the liberal media tells him.

[Zanchief]

Arguing with Zancheif is a waste of time

Totally agree. Arguing with Zancheif is a waste of time.

[Kramer]

Summation of thread.

MLK's wife died. That is sad.....

Blacks and Hispanics are worthless.

totally man.

i mean. it is so obvious.

except for Condoleeza Rice and Colin Powell maybe.

yeah. and if you don't live in the US you can't POSSIBLY know that a human deserves respect. even if they are black. which matters. though we're not sure why.......

so. I assume this is a practice for a 7th grade speech/debate meet. right?

[Diekan]

You have obviously missed the entire point of the thread – so let me take a moment or two from my busy schedule to explain everything.

For one, no one is saying black folk deserve to be treated any differently than any other race. No one is saying whitey is superior, or anything of the kind.

I’m sure everyone here can list out a slew of names of black people who they know as intelligent, productive, law abiding citizens. People who are just as sick and tired of “da thug life” as everyone else.

Yes, over 200 years ago there were white people in this country who owned slaves. But, what you don’t know, or have chosen to ignore, that the abusive massa that has been popularized was actually far and few in-between. In fact after The War Between the States – a vast majority of former slaves STAYED with the plantations they worked on previously – only now being paid for their work. Let’s not forgot that American slavery wouldn’t have happened in the first place if AFRICANS hadn’t traded prisoners of war for goods. Now, does this forgive slavery? No. Slavery was, is and will always be an atrocity. Yet is still goes on today – but rather than hearing or reading about stories of slavery in the present we are forced to STILL focus on something that happened over two centuries ago that no one today had any part of.

Let’s fast forward a bit to the early 1900’s. Yep, Jim Crow was an idiot. What happened in the 60’s and before was wrong. We all know this. But, now we’re talking about damn near 50 years ago. A lot has changed since. The problem is that instead of looking back and saying, “My forefathers worked hard to give me the opportunities that I now have…” it’s, “my great grandmother had to sit in the back of the bus, so you owe me!”

This country has bent over backwards to give the black community opportunity after opportunity and yet rather than putting effort into said opportunities a great deal of them sit back, collect a welfare check, commit crime, trash entire neighborhoods, and blame whitey for all their woes. It has been a crutch, an excuse that has been played to death. If you’re black and murder someone for their wallet or purse – it’s because you’ve been held down in poverty because of the “da man.” Never mind that the money you stole went to crack, big screen TV’s, Xboxes, or rims for your hoopdy. Damn you have a right to that stuff!

Then we get to listen to how cops care more when a white person is killed than if a black person is killed. No, that’s not the case. The problem is that when the cops try to investigate the murder they get stone walled, “I diddn see nuffin,” “I aint helping dem cops do their job.” They bitch and scream when the cops don’t do anything, then kick them out of their hood when they try.

They use the excuse that they can’t find a job for committing crime. But, refuse to use proper English, refuse to get an education, yet expect to be hired and make as much as someone who does walk around saying, “yo what time it is?”

God forbid someone from the black community try to better themselves. They become an uncle tom… a sell out.

The opportunities are there… but when you have people condemning each other for trying to take advantage of those opportunities what are you supposed to do? If you don’t walk around talking like an uneducated moron, “yo B where you is?” and strive toward being a “baller” or a rapper – and get called a tom when you dare do anything different – how is that whitey’s or the government’s fault?

Hispanics come to this country and they work their assess off for little to nothing. Asians come to the US and work hard starting their own businesses. Indians do the same, as well as most other nationalities. So how many minorities come to this nation and make it – doing quite well for themselves in a racist country?


People (not just white) are getting tired of it. They’re tired of the excuses, they’re tired of the crime, they’re tired of their taxes being wasted.

They have endless money for college educations, they have all types of job training programs, they have tons of government assistance programs (not welfare) that can help them get on track. They don’t have to tear their neighborhoods apart, or commit crime after crime… they ignore the opportunities and live the way they do because THEY CHOOSE to.

And, the fucking liberal media does nothing but perpetuate the “plight of the black man.” We heard allllll about the poor people of Katrina. But, I’m betting that most of you heard very little about the woman, who opened her door to a couple evacuees, that was murdered and had her car stolen. The media didn’t make a big deal about the motels that were completely trashed and all the increase in crime in the cities where the evacuees were sent too – crime committed BY the evacuees.

[Kramer]

ummmm. that is alot of writing. i will have to read that in a bit. not sure why you felt compelled to take time out of "your busy schedule" though.

[Martrae]

Very well put, Diekan.

[Zanchief]

Very well put, Diekan.

Are you serious?

Man I'm starting to think you have no mind of your own.

The media was ALL over those people during Katrina. You people just see what you want to see and hear what you want to hear. It's really really sad.

I'm wondering where you heard about that lady who was killed, Deikan? Must be 1st hand knowledge since it couldn't have been from the evil liberal media.

[Ouchyfish]

Very well put, Diekan.

If the Zanchiefs and boybutter's of the board can't get it in their heads after that post, it should become apparent to all that they are now just playing the annoying part of troll and should henceforth be ignored regarding this subject.

We have gone out of our way to show we are not bigoted, racist, etc and they still want to counter with one liners that amount to "nuh uh-yes you are" and frankly I'm sick of playing their game.

You can only try so many times to have an inteligent discussion with an idiot before you realize how incapable they are of doing so.

[Diekan]

The story was ran on talk radio - not the Communist Network News channel

[Martrae]

Yeah, I have no mind of my own since I'm agreeing with something Diekan is posting that I basically said at first.

The media was 'ALL over those people' crying about how horrible conditions were and using the hurricane as an excuse to bash Bush. There was no follow-up on the impact they made in the areas they evacuated to and events like that lady garnered maybe a day of interest by the media and then they went back to screaming about how long it took for the government to do something the Mayor should have done in the first place.

[Lyion]

In a nutshell, what Diekan put is there is racism and our country could do better. However, anything we try to do is worthless as long as the current black culture considers middle class blacks Uncle Toms, and glorifies crime and ignorance. It is even worse when the media still perpetuates the race of someone versus the truth.

[Kramer]

I was a crisis therapist for Katrina evacuees for the first few weeks after the tragedy in Houston.

My frustration has more to do with people who imagine that they have any idea what a people group on the extreme fringe of society thinks, feels, wants and needs, when they have never really wanted for anything in their life.

It is the arrogance that some of the people on the board bring when they imagine that they have some clue about what is wrong with the group that does these things and that others who try to say, maybe empathy would be helpful (empathy is VERY different than sympathy BTW)..... and they get shot down.

It is a problem deep within the roots of a culture, and the flippant remarks that are made annoy me.

So Diek. What you said is understandable and alot of it is true. But to assume about who these people are, beyond what they DO, is foolish and arrogant unless you truly know their experience, and that doesn't mean walking past whatever "profile" of a person you have and being scared shitless or being really angry....

it is a victim culture and I could tell you some jacked up stories form my weeks at the Astrodome and other shelters. I also believe that helping victims move from where they are has equal parts of empathy and responsibility given to the individual in responsible ways. And I think you make the point that you think that there has been lots of assistance without responsibility..... I certainly saw that.... though I also saw plenty of the other side in the extreme too, responsibility without resources...

[Zanchief]

Yeah, I have no mind of my own since I'm agreeing with something Diekan is posting that I basically said at first.

The media was 'ALL over those people' crying about how horrible conditions were and using the hurricane as an excuse to bash Bush. There was no follow-up on the impact they made in the areas they evacuated to and events like that lady garnered maybe a day of interest by the media and then they went back to screaming about how long it took for the government to do something the Mayor should have done in the first place.

You see what you want to see. The media covered all kinds of stories about black looters and people shooting helicopters. The media did their job but opinions have become so right wing in the US that anything short of blanket praise for your president when he did NOTHING for 3 days while people were sleeping in a stadium with corpses all around them would be considered bias to you.

You might want to consider were your barometer for this bullshit is. You just don't care about anything truthful since you can just make up whatever you want.

[Zanchief]

We have gone out of our way to show we are not bigoted, racist, etc and they still want to counter with one liners that amount to "nuh uh-yes you are" and frankly I'm sick of playing their game.

The record companies are cleaning up because the African American don't buy them, they just shoplift them causing the stores to order more.

Sure...

[Ouchyfish]

Looks to me like things are starting to slant a little to the right up there in that fucking so called paradise you call Canada.

[Ouchyfish]

We have gone out of our way to show we are not bigoted, racist, etc and they still want to counter with one liners that amount to "nuh uh-yes you are" and frankly I'm sick of playing their game.

The record companies are cleaning up because the African American don't buy them, they just shoplift them causing the stores to order more.

Sure...

Hey asshole how about quoting me correctly next time.

I do believe that I said Ngrs'. (Ngrs come in all colors/races) An admin changed the word. Notice how I later said they come in all races/colors? Why the fuck would i say that african americans come in all races/colors?

there's a filter changing my n-words to african american..how lame..especially when the n-word covers any race acting mad ngrish

[Diekan]

LOL.

Man you really got to stop believing everything you see on CNN.

http://www.alternet.org/katrina/26507/? ... &pID=45376

[Ouchyfish]

SON OF A BITCH they have a N filter!

[Martrae]

Yeah, I have no mind of my own since I'm agreeing with something Diekan is posting that I basically said at first.

The media was 'ALL over those people' crying about how horrible conditions were and using the hurricane as an excuse to bash Bush. There was no follow-up on the impact they made in the areas they evacuated to and events like that lady garnered maybe a day of interest by the media and then they went back to screaming about how long it took for the government to do something the Mayor should have done in the first place.

You see what you want to see. The media covered all kinds of stories about black looters and people shooting helicopters. The media did their job but opinions have become so right wing in the US that anything short of blanket praise for your president when he did NOTHING for 3 days while people were sleeping in a stadium with corpses all around them would be considered bias to you.

You might want to consider were your barometer for this bullshit is. You just don't care about anything truthful since you can just make up whatever you want.

Maybe you missed that little story that was put out after the fact that almost all the stories about corpses etc were full of shit, too. You bought into the media feeding frenzy and it shows.

[Ouchyfish]

How does that make the admin look ahahaha when i say the N word i am not referring to african americans only..a little warning before you go all politically correct on us please.

You just gave Zanchief an orgasm

[Zanchief]

Yeah, I have no mind of my own since I'm agreeing with something Diekan is posting that I basically said at first.

The media was 'ALL over those people' crying about how horrible conditions were and using the hurricane as an excuse to bash Bush. There was no follow-up on the impact they made in the areas they evacuated to and events like that lady garnered maybe a day of interest by the media and then they went back to screaming about how long it took for the government to do something the Mayor should have done in the first place.

You see what you want to see. The media covered all kinds of stories about black looters and people shooting helicopters. The media did their job but opinions have become so right wing in the US that anything short of blanket praise for your president when he did NOTHING for 3 days while people were sleeping in a stadium with corpses all around them would be considered bias to you.

You might want to consider were your barometer for this bullshit is. You just don't care about anything truthful since you can just make up whatever you want.

Maybe you missed that little story that was put out after the fact that almost all the stories about corpses etc were full of shit, too. You bought into the media feeding frenzy and it shows.

Yea, "almost" all the stories about corpses were full of shit. Like ANY dead corpses would have been acceptable.

Next you’re gonna tell me the stories about the holocaust were exaggerated right?

Racial intolerance? Check

Religious intolerance? Check

Propaganda supporting your lies? Check

Diluted to believe anything that supports your belief? Check

You’re so close, Mart, just one step further and you’ve travelled into full blown Nazi territory.

[Diekan]

You just gave Zanchief an orgasm

I didn't know limp dicks could have orgasms.