These guys need to be taken out ASAP

[Kramer]

BTW who is that dude that Lyion posted?

[Zanchief]

The new Pime-Minister of Canada.

[Yamori]

I think homosexuals in the US have been accepted into the mainstream of society since the early to mid 80s...if you grew up in a cornfield maybe you missed it. It's 2006, get a fucking grip on reality.

Fun Fact: The US supreme court officially deemed sodomy laws unconstitutional in 2003:

14 States had sodomy laws that targeted homosexuals prior to this ruling.

Fun Fact: Homosexuals being disowned by their parents is still not uncommon.

Fun Fact: "Faggot" and "Queer" are two of the most widely used insults/derogatory terms used towards males - homosexual and not. Most likely in equal or greater use than "Nigger" (edit: DAMN YOU NT RACIAL SLUR FILTER) was during the height of racial tension in the US.

Fun Fact: Homosexual couples for the most part still can't adopt children in most cases.

Fun Fact: Most states don't allow homosexual civil unions or marriages - and according to polls the majority seems to against both in many cases. (legal arguments of the latter aside as that would be beating a dead horse, hehe:p).

Fun Fact: List 10 titles of US entertainment media (movies/books/TV shows) that have a non-negative portrayal of homosexuality in something other than obvious comic overtones on the subject (ie: where it is taken seriously). Betcha can't.


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Are there legal and cultural advancements in the last half century in regards to treating homosexual people like actual human beings? Absolutely.

Do most people raise an eyebrow or react no more to homosexuality than they would to a woman choosing to work for a living or a black man voting/being in positions of business responsibility? Heavens no.

The fact that homosexuality still creates reactions in the vast majority of people (be they positive or negative) is a pretty clear indicator that it's not an accepted option of society yet. In a lot of cases people still feel the need to go out of their way to defend it as a valid lifestyle.

[Harrison]

I sure as hell wouldn't let homosexual couples adopt children either.

That doesn't bode well on the child's emotional development.

[Ouchyfish]

Welcome to rule by majority. Majority rules and right now the majority doesn't want to put up with the shit. Check back in 20 years when society has let go and you might have better luck generating sympathy towards the poor homosexuals.

I see this country resembling one of Caligula's orgies in about 20 or so years at the rate we're going.

[Zanchief]

I sure as hell wouldn't let homosexual couples adopt children either.

That doesn't bode well on the child's emotional development.

Better to just leave em in foster homes and shit. That seems to make for bang up citizens.

[Lyion]

Nothing ever has to be 'accepted' by people, Yam. It is a matter of what is legal or unconstitutional. The institution of marriage is a man and a woman. If people want to change it to same sex, multiple partners, etc then they should do it legislatively. There is no constitutional aspect to changing marriage laws, at all.

Given the amount of same sex benefits and 'partner' rights that are out there now, I'd say in a lot of situations it's much, much easier for a gay person and their partner than a man and a woman, since the man/woman HAVE to get married to get benefits.

I've not hid my personal opinion that the Government has no business having marriage being civil or legal at all, but that's a different thread.

[Zanchief]

The institution of marriage is a man and a woman.

Says who?

Given the amount of same sex benefits and 'partner' rights that are out there now, I'd say in a lot of situations it's much, much easier for a gay person and their partner than a man and a woman, since the man/woman HAVE to get married to get benefits.

Wow, that's not how it is here at all.

I've not hid my personal opinion that the Government has no business having marriage being civil or legal at all, but that's a different thread.

Why doesn't the government just stop making a distinction between civil unions or common-law unions or whatever you want to call em, and marriage?

It's a simple fucking solution. The government shouldn't be dealing with marriage at all. That should be an issue between you and whatever church or deity or star trek fan group you want to get married in. Gay straight whatever, get a civil union and be done with it. If Christian religions do own the trademark on marriage like they claim then the government shouldn't be giving a shit about some religious ceremony. It's like if the government gave a box of chocolates to every kid who gets his Bar mitzvah.

I'm sure the rightwing nuts would just find something knew to whine about, but I guess that's just what they do.

[Kramer]

Sorina this is why homosexuals are not accepted in this country, because people think that children are better off in a jacked up foster care system than with two loving people, they think that the society will be having orgies when we finally accept homosexuals, you have lots of slack-jaw FU%^ING Yokels who think that homosexuals are creepy, dirty bad people who will molest anyone they can if given the chance and EVEN if they hate christianity they sure as hell agree with the whole "gay marriage just ain't natural!!!!" thing......

b-shit. and yes Lyion, I think it is totally silly that the government can determine who gets married. because heterosexuals are SO GREAT at being the ones who get married when there is a 50% divorce rate... don't let those GAYS get married!!!! ..... but that is for another thread.

[Lyion]

The institution of marriage is a man and a woman.

Says who?

The law as legislated by the members of congress voted in by the US Democracy. Why is it different in Canada? You vote on the people who legislate your laws.

Given the amount of same sex benefits and 'partner' rights that are out there now, I'd say in a lot of situations it's much, much easier for a gay person and their partner than a man and a woman, since the man/woman HAVE to get married to get benefits.

Wow, that's not how it is here at all.

Most of the US Fortune 500 companies have same sex partner benefits. My company has the same benefits for its Canadian workers, so it is somewhat the same up there, although I'm sure there are differences. The big issue which may not be apparent to a Canadian is unmarried partners are not covered via Health Insurance. Same sex unmarried partners in this plan are.

I've not hid my personal opinion that the Government has no business having marriage being civil or legal at all, but that's a different thread.

Why doesn't the government just stop making a distinction between civil unions or common-law unions or whatever you want to call em, and marriage?

It's a legal issue, and like so many other matters something simple made confoundingly complex for tax and inheritance purposes. I'm all for getting government completely out of 'marriage', but special interests do not want that.

It's a simple fucking solution. The government shouldn't be dealing with marriage at all. That should be an issue between you and whatever church or deity or star trek fan group you want to get married in. Gay straight whatever, get a civil union and be done with it. If Christian religions do own the trademark on marriage like they claim then the government shouldn't be giving a shit about some religious ceremony. It's like if the government gave a box of chocolates to every kid who gets his Bar mitzvah.

Stop the presses, but we agree completely. I'd go one further, and want this completely removed from public record and life. You should be able to claim whoever you want as your partner, to a set limit, and be done with it. Companies should not be able to discriminate against married and unmarried couples, and there should be no tax difference at all. Certainly not the current ridiculous marriage penalty.

I'm sure the rightwing nuts would just find something knew to whine about, but I guess that's just what they do.

Special Interests groups push their agendas. It's what they do. It's what American Government has become about. Sadly, compromise and goodwill has become less prevalent, and each election becomes nastier and more partisan. Meanwhile, the vast majority of Americans, who are moderates and want smart government are ignored by both sides.

[Darcler]

I sure as hell wouldn't let homosexual couples adopt children either.

That doesn't bode well on the child's emotional development.

Wait wait wait.....what? Please explain.
Please do not go with the "a child needs a mother and a father" path, because, last I checked, it was acceptable for a single mother to take her child home from the hospital without anyone wagging a finger.

[Spazz]

Harrison has a phd in child development. He knows what is and aint right for our younglings emotional state. I love when its usually the same group of people who oppose abortion that are also very selective bout who raises the unwanted kids.

[Yamori]

I sure as hell wouldn't let homosexual couples adopt children either.

That doesn't bode well on the child's emotional development.

Because being raised in an orphanage / shuttled around temporary foster homes is so much better.

[Adivina]

I sure as hell wouldn't let homosexual couples adopt children either.

That doesn't bode well on the child's emotional development.

Sometimes I just can't reply to the things you say, if I did my response would be outright malicious, I'm trying to work on this because (contrary to popular belief), I don't like being a bitch.

[Spazz]

Its harrison you can be mean as ya want.

[Darcler]

No she cant. I think they live in each others back yards, so if she bitched at him, he would leave her a bag of burning poop on her porch.

Say the last 7 words 5 times fast. Its fun.

[Spazz]

Well if she lives that close she can smack him in the skull if he does that

[Adivina]

Its not so much that as the fact that Aryylas told me that lately I am being an evil bitch to everyone around me, so I am trying to be nice. I'm not afraid of Harrison, I just don't want to be a dickhead.

[Agrajag]

Harrison wrote:
I sure as hell wouldn't let homosexual couples adopt children either.

That doesn't bode well on the child's emotional development.

Wait wait wait.....what? Please explain.
Please do not go with the "a child needs a mother and a father" path, because, last I checked, it was acceptable for a single mother to take her child home from the hospital without anyone wagging a finger.

Anyway... http://parenting.families.com/single-parent-families-366-369-chdv talks about single parent homes and how

When compared to their peers from traditional two-parent homes, children raised in single-parent homes are at risk for a number of less desirable outcomes. Such outcomes include both lower academic performance and a higher incidence of behavioral problems.

Just because it is acceptable it doesn't make it right.

I thought this was funny, lol

On average, single fathers have higher standards of living than do single mothers

If my son makes fun of that kid in school with two mommies or daddies I'm going to high five him and buy him a hooker. You still think it's right to let gays and lesbians adopt? My point is that they may be fit parents, but there are people in this world that aren't ready to accept it yet. That poor child (or children) will be taunted and tormented until he graduates. Is that any way for a kid to go through school? Think of the child first, you carpet munchers and ass pirates!

[Adivina]

If my son makes fun of that kid in school with two mommies or daddies I'm going to high five him and buy him a hooker.

Boy what an upstanding model of the American Citizen you are. Glad you are instilling tolerance and respect in your children.

[Darcler]

If my son makes fun of that kid in school with two mommies or daddies I'm going to high five him and buy him a hooker.

Boy what an upstanding model of the American Citizen you are. Glad you are instilling tolerance and respect in your children.

Exactlly. YOU are the reason that this child would be made fun of. Because the parents are TEACHING the child that two mommies or two daddies is wrong and stupid. If people would just LET.IT.GO, this arguement wouldnt come up.
When I worked at the day care a couple years back, there was a little girl in the 3s room, she had two mommies. The 3s and 4s&5s thought this was SO cool. I mean, TWO MOMMIES! Double fun! Towards the end of the day, my class was pretty much gone so I would help the schoolers until all of them left. During the time that the little girl's moms would pick her up, I heard some of the schoolers laughing and pointing at their car. I asked what was going on, they said she has gay parents. I asked what they thought of that. They said their parents said it wasnt right.

Kids would have no problems with a peer with two moms if the parents would just shut up about it.