CALIFORNIA PEOPLE

[Gaazy]

A pit bull bit my little cousin at the end of summer, gave her a few stitches on her arm. Everyone in the neighborhood said it was such a nice dog and all that usual bullshit. Then my unc called the animal people and they didnt do a damn thing, so I personally dragged it up on the hill and s hot the son of a bitch. I never have had problems with them in the past personally until that. Then a 2 year old was killed a few blocks from me here at school, then another person was attacked a ways away from me. I would love for them to ban them in this state, would be completely fine by me.

[Darcler]

When I was 5, I was walking in between my house and the house next door to get to my back yard. There was a huge Standard sized Poodle that came running up to me. Stopped a couple yards and charged at me. Bit my shoulder and just below my elbow on the underneath where I was trying to shield my face.

Ban poodles!

[Agrajag]

Who really cares about this? I mean besides the people that own these ugly dogs. If this was on a ballot I had to vote on, I would skip it because it wouldn't be worth the time it took and energy expended to read what I was voting on (even though I would have to read it first, DAMN!). I mean, seriously, I couldn't care either way.

[Spazz]

I had one she was the funniest dog ive been round in a while but some crack heads kicked down my door and stole her. I think it is really a shame that niggers spics and white trash train them to be monsters then all of a sudden all of them are. Diekan Should we ban anything that could be dangerous? Its just like drug laws and everything else why do i allways gotta be punished becuase some other fuckers do some retarded shit. And this wont end dog fighting or dangerous dogs they will just find another breed and make it the fighting champion. Last but not least Im glad you guys are all for the government telling you what kind of dog to own, Guess most of you have forgotten what freedom really means huh ?

[Darcler]

No I'm serious though. Ban poodles. They are ugly and inbred into retardation. Like cocker spaniels and dalmations...only those are cute dogs.

[Spazz]

DOnt ban any fuckin dogs Keep the government out of your lives.

[Adivina]

Guess what, a 10 pound pomerian once killed a baby, because while the child's uncle went to get the baby a bottle, he left the dog on the bed with the baby. When he returned the dog was mauling the baby and had eaten most of the child's face.

BAN ALL 10 POUND DOGS, AND UNCLES TOO WHILE WE ARE AT IT!

The only reason pitbull attacks seem to happen more is because they get publicized more. In reality the center for disease control has scored the pit bull to have a better tempermant than one of the most common family dogs, the golden retriever. However, saying a pitbull bit someone is far better news that saying a lab or golden did, hence why it makes the news. Also, the danger ranking of a breed directly flucuates relating to the breeds popularity, the more popular the dog breed is at the time, the higher it ranks as a "dangerous breed" in government studies. This has led the CDC to release public statements on their opinion, which is that dog bites and injuries are not a product of the breed, but of the people owning them. Try doing some research instead of being ignorant. Oh btw, banning this breed will do nothing but increase dog fighting, the persona will become that much "tougher" because Mr. Cool Gang Member Drug Dealer now not only gets to fight his animal, but it is a super cool illegal dog too.

[Agrajag]

See my above post. No one really cares... The only people arguing about it are the people who like these "things." I just hope they vote soon (and in your favor) so all you people shut the hell up about it.

[Spazz]

Dont see this as a freedom issue ?

[Tuggan]

Of course not, weve gotten so used to be told what we can and cannot do... people dont even realize it. Or theyre just plain dumb, and "dont care".

Even our resident "libertarian" Martrae, dumb bitch is quoting Thomas Jefferson and spouting off bullshit about not caring that a government is on the verge of banning a dog. She doesnt own one though, so it wont effect her. Way to be completely fucking clueless as to what the man youre quoting has to say.

[Adivina]

You don't see the issue with going about a law the completely wrong way?

If anything all this ban will do is take the dogs away from the responsible owners. Making the dog itself illegal is not going to stop people who already participate in an illegal "sport" and alongside said sport generally are in illegal gangs, commit crimes which are oh yeah illegal, and have a tendancy to deal illegal drugs and make illegal gambling bets on the outcome of the illegal fights. WAIT DO WE SEE A TREND WITH THE WORD ILLEGAL!? God damn, if you are going to try to fix a problem, at least go about it in a way that will actually change things. If anything outlawing the breed will only cause a rise in dog fighting.

This law will do nothing but cause the dog breed to only be owned by irrisponsible assholes, seeing as those people who are responsible enough to own the breed and care for it correctly will not be willing to break the law in order to own the animal.

[Agrajag]

Refresh my memory, please. Where in the Constitution does it say we have the freedom to own any kind of breed of dog we wish?

[Spazz]

How bout you refresh my memory on what the word freedom means. We are sposed to be the free est country in the world and day by day more and more shit gets banned. Perhaps our founding fathers didnt think things would get so bad that they needed to write in there the freedom to choose your pets or the freedom to own your own body.

[Adivina]

I notice you don't have any answer for my question. You have no problem with how ass backwards this issue is being addressed?

[Spazz]

Yea it hink banning pit bulls will be just like banning drugs or guns or anything else. People who are responsible will be punished and criminals will do as they please.

[Agrajag]

First off,

free est

should be most free. It shows your education level and why you should not be in this discussion.

Secondly, I have been in the military for the past 15 years. I know and have seen exactly what is and is not freedom. Can you tell me the definition of freedom? Not the Webster's version either. The real life, actual definition of freedom? Freedom is a relative term, my friend. What you take for granted every day could be considered by some, in other not so free countries, as being as free as it gets.

Boo-frigging-hoo! You don't get to have your precious little doggie. There are some people in this world that have to fight for education, housing and food. Get some perspective you elitist asses! Fight for something worthwhile instead of what pet you can or cannot have!

[Tuggan]

haha, good to see those 15 years in the military learned you gud.

[Phlegm]

We should free all the pets. Nobody should be allow to keep pets. FREEDOM......

[Adivina]

I love how you still will not answer my standpoint on the issue, god job avoiding it with the same argument to Spazz over and over. Don't you see something wrong with targeting the people who are responsible instead of attempting to actually go about things in a manner that would make a difference? Making a dog illegal will only change one thing, the people who follow the law will not own the dog. The people who are causing the problem in the first place have no regard for law to begin with, they risk being arrested to play their sport. How is a law saying they cannot own the dog anymore make a difference to them? It won't, if anything it will increase their drive to own the animal just because it is now illegal.

[Spazz]

Im not boo hooing bout my poor little doggie clown im boo hooing that the fucking government is getting involved in peoples lives some more. Yea some people are more oppressed than others but in the great beacon of freedom its kinda sad to see the government step in more and more and tell people what they can and cannot do no ?

[Agrajag]

Adivina, I didn't realize that your post was directed at me.

Making the owning of a specific breed of dog would do just like you say. However, there would be laws in place so if someone did have one they could be punished to the extent of that law. As for increasing their drive for owning the animal because it is illegal, thats just human stupidity at its finest. People always want what they cannot have.

However, you have strayed from the topic. The reason people want to outlaw the dogs is because they seem to be an aggressive breed, yes? However unfair you might think this is against the pitbulls, that is the arguement. You claim that the reason the pitbulls are "mean" is because people make them that way and use them as a weapon, correct? In that manner they can be compared to a handgun.

A handgun in the hands of a qualified and decent person will more than likely do no harm to another human being. Now, a handgun in the hands of a criminal has the potential to do all sorts of harm. The Constitution does have the right to bear arms in it, not the right to bear pitbulls.

The government is created and ruled by all of us. Most of you don't even realize this. You voted Bush into office as a majority. You have the power to write to your congressman at any time. You (not specifically you, Adivina) choose not to. The majority of Americans complain about how the government runs every aspect of their life. Most of which is conspiracy, by the way. However, very rarely does anyone try to do anything about it. All they do is whine on TV about it or to a friend or on a message board...

Good enough, Adivina?

And Tuggan... why not grow up before you come sit at the adult table?

[Spazz]

The people dont run the government homie money does if you dont see this your a bafoon. Can write your congressmen all fuckin day but if your not $$$$$$$inging the song he wants to hear he isnt gonna help ya.

[Adivina]

YAY! I got a legitimate adult table response!

I guess my issue with the law is that, these are people who get arrested for fighting dogs and are back on the streets after a little fine or a bit of jail time. Most of the time, they are ordered by law to not own dogs anymore, but they continue to get them and get in trouble. I guess I just see this as an issue of these people will not care about getting arrested and having a little slap on the wrist anyway, as soon as they get out they will just get another dog.

Also, I take considerable issue that several states that are thinking of banning the breed are not going to go about this in an ethical manner. It is just plain cruel to take someone's pet away from them and euthanize them. How do you explain to a child that the dog he has been growing up with is going to be taken away and put to sleep for no fault of the dog or the owner?

If a ban absolutely has to be enacted, then I think the government should pull their heads out of their asses long enough to do it responsibly. Require all people who already own pits to register the animal and have papers stating they owned the dog prior to the enactment of the law. Then when said dog passes away, proceed with the ban as normal with the family, they cannot get a new pitbull. If the person is too damn lazy to go have the proper paperwork done upon enactment than they lose their dog and its their own fault for not doing what they needed to.

I also am concerned about this law because I have seen how similar laws have played out in places like Germany. People have seen their dogs shot in front of them for no reason by police, some even had their dog burnt to death on their front lawn by police. Hell one woman who owned an akita (which was a breed required to have a muzzle on in public by the law that was passed), removed the dogs muzzle because the dog had started to vomit when she was walking it, and it was choking on its own vomit due to the muzzle. Upon taking the muzzle off to allow the dog to vomit, a police officer shot the dog as it stood leashed next to its owner, very obviously retching and vomiting. There was no confusion, the officer was simply being an ass an abusing the law. He saw the woman remove the muzzle and the dog vomit, and as it occured he pulled his gun and shot the dog to death. I am just cautious of laws such as breed bans and muzzle laws because often they have proven to be abused.

[mofish]

Fuck Pit Bulls. And I have known, even lived with, nice ones.

Lakota, our dog, cant socialize with dogs any more because a pit bull attacked him for no reason. He also became food aggressive after that.

Pit Bulls have physically different jaws, and are genetically predisposed to aggressive behavior, I dont care how much people deny it. Banning pit bulls isnt like taking away your right to bear arms. Its more like banning you from carrying a rocket launcher. There are a billion other dog breeds that dont have the problems pit bulls do.

Pit bulls, Pit bull mixes, and Rottweilers are responisble for the bulk of dog bites, and dog homicides. FACTS. Period. The end.

[mofish]

Lemme add another cute pic to the thread :