Is the north pole melting?

ClakarEQ · Post by **ClakarEQ** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 3:05 pm

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12081697/

You know I read articles like this and think to myself, if this isn't some cyclical event, how fucked up did my parents and I make this planet of ours?

It also sparks the brain cells of a "prophet", I think it was John Casey(sp). One of the last predictions he made (BTW he was a modern day prophet, you'd place nostrodomis(sp) as his peer for example, but he lived in your parents lifetime) was how quickly the earth would change to such extreme the poles would actually shift and the earths axis would "alter". If you read or watch any of the info on him, it is facinating the types of things he would do.

Then I end my thoughts / prayer with my kids heavy on my mind with an "O god, what have we done".

Sorry if this is a "the sky is falling post" not meant to be.

Minrott · Post by **Minrott** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 3:37 pm

Look, there hasn't been a school shooting or a black people killing hurricane in months, they gotta frighten you all with something. Ice cap meltage is a good old standby when there's no drama to spectacularize.

Captain Insano · Post by **Captain Insano** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 3:53 pm

ClakarEQ wrote:http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12081697/

You know I read articles like this and think to myself, if this isn't some cyclical event, how fucked up did my parents and I make this planet of ours?

It also sparks the brain cells of a "prophet", I think it was John Casey(sp). One of the last predictions he made (BTW he was a modern day prophet, you'd place nostrodomis(sp) as his peer for example, but he lived in your parents lifetime) was how quickly the earth would change to such extreme the poles would actually shift and the earths axis would "alter". If you read or watch any of the info on him, it is facinating the types of things he would do.

Then I end my thoughts / prayer with my kids heavy on my mind with an "O god, what have we done".

Sorry if this is a "the sky is falling post" not meant to be.

didn't you see that fucking graph someone posted in the other global warming thread ?

The fucking planet is fine. It's been getting cold and hot for a billion years. Thats just what it does.

"Global Warming" was just something hippies came up with to make themselves sound important in their otherwise useless trivial lives...much akin to the "holocost" with jews.

Get over it and go watch another episode of captain planet.

mofish · Post by **mofish** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 4:38 pm

ClakarEQ wrote:http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12081697/

You know I read articles like this and think to myself, if this isn't some cyclical event, how fucked up did my parents and I make this planet of ours?

It also sparks the brain cells of a "prophet", I think it was John Casey(sp). One of the last predictions he made (BTW he was a modern day prophet, you'd place nostrodomis(sp) as his peer for example, but he lived in your parents lifetime) was how quickly the earth would change to such extreme the poles would actually shift and the earths axis would "alter". If you read or watch any of the info on him, it is facinating the types of things he would do.

Then I end my thoughts / prayer with my kids heavy on my mind with an "O god, what have we done".

Sorry if this is a "the sky is falling post" not meant to be.

The sky might not be falling, but you are right to be concerned. There is plenty of hard, solid evidence now that the climate of the earth is warming at an incredibly faster rate than was previously thought. The last 10 years have all been the warmest years on record. Remember to ask yourself who benefits from the idea that science isnt sound, and should be mistrusted.

Its good that youre thinking of your kids and the future. This usually gets lost on those with an agenda. Whether its preventing profits from being used to keep the environment sound, or running up massive debt and trade deficits to fund wars and 'tax breaks' (tax break + deficit + debt = future tax + interest, a simple trick that seems to work).

Post by **DangerPaul** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 5:43 pm

The last 10 years have all been the warmest years on record.

Remember, records only go back about 30 years, the earth is what a billion years old? Not that I doubt scientists, not that I believe the non-believers, but until there is more proof, I am doubting it is really happening.

Harrison · Post by **Harrison** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 5:55 pm

much akin to the "holocost" with jews.

I chuckled and fully expect the karmic repercussions

I'm fucked

Post by **Arlos** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 7:27 pm

Remember, records only go back about 30 years

Uh, actually no. In the British Navy, for example, one of the items recorded into the Ship's Log was the temperature & humidity at the ship's location several times a day. (important info for ships using wind power.) The Brits basically have a complete set of all such log books going back to the 1500s or 1600s. So, we're talking at least 400-500 years of documented weather records for anywhere british ships were, and that's pretty much everywhere.

On top of recorded weather information, there's tons of other sources you can get to give you weather indicators, going back several hundred thousand years, actually. The deepest ice cores on Greenland are from snow that fell 500,000+ years ago. When snow falls and builds up, it traps bubbles of air from the atmosphere as it compacts. As the snow turns to ice, these bubbles are locked into place, and preserve an untouched record of the atmosphere of the planet at the time that snow fell.

By doing chemical analysis of the trapped air, you can get a very good idea of the climate of the planet at the time, including overall temperatures, etc. One of the big findings is that even compared to the previous warm periods, there is far more CO2 in the atmosphere now than there was in periods where the planet was warming up in the distant past. So, as we can see by the present weather oddities, the rate of temperature increase is unprecidented, even compared to those earlier warming trends.

One other huge factor to consider as well is that back then, there was no deforestation going on, and far far more of the Earth was covered in thick vegetation than compared to now. So, as temperatures rose, they got more plant life, which was able to scrub the CO2 out of the atmosphere more rapidly, thus slowing down that rate of growth, and letting the cycle turn around again. NOW, however, there's what, 25% less forested land across the planet than there was just 50 years ago, let alone 500 or 500,000? So, at the same time we are either self-warming or massively accelerating an existing trend, we are ALSO getting rid of the planet's ability to fix the problem, because there's less and less plants to get the CO2 out of the air.

So yes, it's definitely a huge problem, and anyone who doesn't believe in it is a scientific retard, and probably believed the Tobacco companies when they claimed cigarette smoking was completely harmless, and the Pesticide producers post-Silent Spring who swore up and down that no pesticide had any potential of harming people whatsoever.

-Arlos

Minrott · Post by **Minrott** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 9:50 pm

Remember to ask yourself who benefits from the idea that science isnt sound, and should be mistrusted.

This is a really great point actually.

Ask yourself who benefits the most from a widespread belief that is meant to cause panic and fear?

I don't doubt scientists, I doubt the spin they're pressured into putting on their findings. I don't doubt statistics, I doubt they're all being shown in a even light. I don't doubt the idea that we're altering the world with our by-products, I doubt we're causing the end of time.

Look out, here comes the avian flu!

We didn't cause any problems with our climate overnight, and we won't solve any of them over night either, and if the left hasn't learned anything from their past mistakes, they'll do more harm to the cause for a cleaner earth than good.

If you people and your media doesn't stop with the dire predictions of the end of the world, you'll never be able to convince anyone to make the changes in their life necessary for conservation of our planet. You can only cry wolf for so long.

Thon · Post by **Thon** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 10:13 pm

the thing is though, that 500 years, and even 500,000 years is still nothing.

it would be tantamount to me walking outside for an hour to sample the weather, and then concluding that's exactly how it will be for the entire year. but guess what, rain happens, tornadoes happen, shit happens.

at half a million years, that's still less than 1/10,000 of the earth's history.

Minrott · Post by **Minrott** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 10:15 pm

Yamori · Post by **Yamori** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 1:58 am

You're all ignoring the elephant in the room:

Poseidon is angry at us and this is his vengence.

Lionking · Post by **Lionking** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 9:45 am

Minrott wrote:Look, there hasn't been a school shooting or a black people killing hurricane in months, they gotta frighten you all with something. Ice cap meltage is a good old standby when there's no drama to spectacularize.

ClakarEQ · Post by **ClakarEQ** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 10:31 am

It isn't that I was attempting to stir up drama, but to say that the human race hasn't had a negative and noticeable impact on the planet is foolish. Those who think this need to be educated because we do have a negative impact, period. We introduce things into the world that mother nature would not nor ever could do.

Do these folks that say "I'm crying wolf" truly believe this is just a cyclical event. Do you actually think we've had NO impact on the planet? I know folks have got to be smarter then this.

I'll retract my comment re: john casey as that was more of a comment that came to mind when I read the topic. There is obvisouly no fact to casey being anything more then some "average guy".

Harrison · Post by **Harrison** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 10:57 am

I know folks have got to be smarter then this.

Minrott · Post by **Minrott** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 1:21 pm

You don't get my point if you think I believe we have no impact on the planet.

And it's absurd to believe that we as a people today are the only peoples to alter our environment.

It's well known that thousands of years prior to the industrial revolution, native peoples practiced slash and burn, burned down forests, etc.

To say we only have a 'negative' effect on our planet is fallacy when we in this time are the only people to ever come up with the idea that we have an effect on the environments balance as a whole, and need to watch what we do to it.

Minrott · Post by **Minrott** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 1:22 pm

And my 'cry wolf' statement is to the fact that nearly every major media outlet I looked at this past week, their main story was polar ice cap end of the world syndrome.

Harrison · Post by **Harrison** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 1:23 pm

I'm thankful for my helmet, the sky is falling.

Minrott · Post by **Minrott** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 1:28 pm

Have any of you ever stopped to think that what you consider to be a negative impact on the planet could in fact be a positive one, even necessary for the planet to remain hospitable?

Just a thought.

I'd rather California drown than another ice age, myself.

dammuzis · Post by **dammuzis** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 2:37 pm

mini ice age during the dark ages the temp changed like 6 degrees in less than 100 years and generally sucked for weather for 100s of years and even led to the french revolution

considering that one volcano pumps more green house gasses into the atmophere in a year then man has done in 100 saying that we are the problem is laughable

Harrison · Post by **Harrison** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 2:54 pm

That mini ice age fucked over western europe hardcore

Phlegm · Post by **Phlegm** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 3:03 pm

Minrott wrote:I'd rather California drown than another ice age, myself.

I think Florida, Mississippi, Louisiana, and the other low lying states would drown before California does though.

Sorina S · Post by **Sorina S** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 3:08 pm

captain_insano wrote:
"Global Warming" was just something hippies came up with to make themselves sound important in their otherwise useless trivial lives...much akin to the "holocost" with jews.

WHOA! The ghost of Abbey Hoffman says hello Cappy! He'll see you in hell...

What's really interesting is that so many hippies became respected egghead scientists and all I got was this lousy truck drivin job :ugh:

The short answer to your question though Clark is YES! So is the south pole and every other frozen place on the planet. Personally I think mankind will survive it and I think it's mostly a natural phenomenon. However being an old hippie myself I'm obligated to say, CO2 baaaaad, emission control gooood.

Minrott · Post by **Minrott** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 3:26 pm

Phlegm I have a dream and your damned logic won't ruin it.

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