Global Gaming League talks with China for gaming in Olympics

[Darcler]

You could make a drinking game out of it.
Drink for every Star Wars shirt you see!

[Tuggan]

You guys would totally watch Olympic DDR competitions. Don't deny it.

only if it involved big breasted scantily clad women.

[Jay]

Video game olympics would be bullshit. Japan would win every year.

[Drem]

You don't have to be ripped to draw a compound bow.

Any hunter can tell you that.

(long bows are different)

Why are you even comparing these two things at all? A wimpy little bitch video game player is nothing to a bow hunter. I don't give a shit how hot you are at counterstrike, I'd bet $500 you can't pull back a 75lbs bow and hit a bullseye in 15 tries from 20 feet away

i don't know what you mean by "long bows are different" unless you meant to say "long bows are a lot easier to use and almost anyone can string and shoot a longbow"

comparing video games to a real sport, that's hilarious. when video gaming requires skills that you can't master within 2 to 3 days, maybe people will take it seriously

[Gaazy]

nail on the head drem

Wish I had more time to hunt =/

[Markarado]

It takes a lot more than 2 or 3 days to become as good at any given genre of games as some of the professionals are. I wouldn't consider it a sport though. I could careless if they put it into the Olympics.... might make the event more interesting.

Jay... Dun forget about South Korea. Also, some of the best Counter-Strike players come from Malaysia. Two guys I used to know won several international tournaments. Juls would know them... Just mention Berry and Terry to her as I know you chat with her on MSN quite a lot.. .

[Harrison]

You don't have to be ripped to draw a compound bow.

Any hunter can tell you that.

(long bows are different)

Why are you even comparing these two things at all? A wimpy little bitch video game player is nothing to a bow hunter. I don't give a shit how hot you are at counterstrike, I'd bet $500 you can't pull back a 75lbs bow and hit a bullseye in 15 tries from 20 feet away

i don't know what you mean by "long bows are different" unless you meant to say "long bows are a lot easier to use and almost anyone can string and shoot a longbow"

comparing video games to a real sport, that's hilarious. when video gaming requires skills that you can't master within 2 to 3 days, maybe people will take it seriously

Long bows don't have a point you can pull to and then hold it with your pinky. (cams allow this on a compound bow)

You have to be a monster to hold a long bow at full draw for any extended amount of time.

Skeletons of bowmen from England have fucked up bone structure from constant longbow use.

P.S. Download Natural Selection if you have Halflife 1

If you master ANY part of that game in 3 days, I will give you everything I own. If Voronwe still came here, I'd say ask him how intricate that game is for an FPS.

[Donnel]

I love NS, need to reinstall that monster.

[Harrison]

I'm admin for 8 servers.
http://www.aerogaming.net/natural-selection/news.php

Best FPS I've ever played and still continue to play. When Natural Selection: Source is released, I'm going to masturbate to it.

If you reinstall, let me know, I'll own you up a bit

[Donnel]

Fair enough, I was never very good, but loved it all the same.

[Harrison]

http://www.fiosgrand.com/

Verizon is offering $100,000 to the winner of a Halflife 2: Deathmatch tournament.

I want to go pro and be a professional bum. Sit home and play games all day for practice and then own tournaments.

[Minrott]

I want to see paintball in the olympics.

[Gaazy]

omg that would be so great. I played tournament paintball for a few years. Wish I could still play, just got too expensive, eg. 2000 dollar guns, 80 bucks per case of paint abd shooting 5 cases in a tourney. Just couldnt afford it anymore

[Drem]

You don't have to be ripped to draw a compound bow.

Any hunter can tell you that.

(long bows are different)

Why are you even comparing these two things at all? A wimpy little bitch video game player is nothing to a bow hunter. I don't give a shit how hot you are at counterstrike, I'd bet $500 you can't pull back a 75lbs bow and hit a bullseye in 15 tries from 20 feet away

i don't know what you mean by "long bows are different" unless you meant to say "long bows are a lot easier to use and almost anyone can string and shoot a longbow"

comparing video games to a real sport, that's hilarious. when video gaming requires skills that you can't master within 2 to 3 days, maybe people will take it seriously

Long bows don't have a point you can pull to and then hold it with your pinky. (cams allow this on a compound bow)

You have to be a monster to hold a long bow at full draw for any extended amount of time.

Skeletons of bowmen from England have fucked up bone structure from constant longbow use.

P.S. Download Natural Selection if you have Halflife 1

If you master ANY part of that game in 3 days, I will give you everything I own. If Voronwe still came here, I'd say ask him how intricate that game is for an FPS.

you guys take everything way too seriously. first off why would you sit with along bow at full draw? long bows are easier than compound bows. you obviously have no real life experience, so shut up about it.

and yeah i seriously literally meant in EXACTLY 3 days you could be a master of video games. shut the fuck up finawin, you know as well as anyone that that was a figure of speech. it takes a lot longer to master a real physical olympic sport (e.g. years) than it does to master a video game (less than a month or two). you're such a dumb faggot about this. yeah wow a hobby takes a lot of skill to be good at, amazing, maybe they should make an olympic sport. maybe they should give toy train builders engineering degrees, too. you're not right and the olympic committee will slap you gay MLG players right in the face

[Arlos]

Actually Drem, while it may seem odd to be defending Harrison, there's a REASON why the Compound bow was invented, and that's because with the cams on there it IS easier to draw than a longbow. Once you reach a certain point on the pull of a compound bow, the cams take over some of the load. That's why they're there.

Medieval Welsh Longbowmen regularly used Longbows with 100-150+ pounds of pull. Modern compound bows top out at around 70 pounds. Basically, longbowmen trained from the time they were about 5-6 years old, and it took them 20 years to build up their strength and skill to be top-flight archers.

-Arlos

[Drem]

Actually Drem, while it may seem odd to be defending Harrison, there's a REASON why the Compound bow was invented, and that's because with the cams on there it IS easier to draw than a longbow. Once you reach a certain point on the pull of a compound bow, the cams take over some of the load. That's why they're there.

Medieval Welsh Longbowmen regularly used Longbows with 100-150+ pounds of pull. Modern compound bows top out at around 70 pounds. Basically, longbowmen trained from the time they were about 5-6 years old, and it took them 20 years to build up their strength and skill to be top-flight archers.

-Arlos

oh ok let's compare it to medieval welsh longbowmen

god you guys pull at the stupidest shit to defend your arguements. i'm talking about bows now. like right now. long bows aren't even measured in pull weight. long bows are measured by recommended limb lengths to draw lengths

[Minrott]

I'm going to have to back that up, as a bow hunter myself. I've got a 75lb single cam compound, a 50lb recurve and a 70lb long bow. The long bow is by far the hardest to draw and hit with, especially shooting 'instinctive' with no sights.

I can regularly paint a 5" bullseye with the compound out to 40-45 yards. But without a load more practice that I just don't care to invest in the long bow, I have a lot of trouble keeping arrows on the target. The reason that you would draw and hold at full draw is that you can release when you have the sight picture you want. Holding a long bow at full draw, getting your sight picture and staying steady with all that force is tough to do. That's one reason you're generally never see anyone have sights on a long or recurve, because shooting instinctive or 'sighting down the arrow' is faster, and with practice nearly as accurate.

Longbows and recurves take more skill and more strength to master than compounds.

[Drem]

I'm going to have to back that up, as a bow hunter myself. I've got a 75lb single cam compound, a 50lb recurve and a 70lb long bow. The long bow is by far the hardest to draw and hit with, especially shooting 'instinctive' with no sights.

I can regularly paint a 5" bullseye with the compound out to 40-45 yards. But without a load more practice that I just don't care to invest in the long bow, I have a lot of trouble keeping arrows on the target. The reason that you would draw and hold at full draw is that you can release when you have the sight picture you want. Holding a long bow at full draw, getting your sight picture and staying steady with all that force is tough to do. That's one reason you're generally never see anyone have sights on a long or recurve, because shooting instinctive or 'sighting down the arrow' is faster, and with practice nearly as accurate.

Longbows and recurves take more skill and more strength to master than compounds.

Maybe it's just because I started on long bows. I use a 60" one-piece recurve that draws to 26-29" smoothly (but honestly 30" works too) and I have a lot less trouble shooting it than any compound bow. Sighting down the arrow is like an instinct at this point so my bow is drawn for a few seconds only.

[Minrott]

Well, there you go. And on that, some people have the instinct. They can pick up a pistol and cut out a bullseye without seeming to try, but if sitting behind a rifle on a rest have trouble making nice groups. They can sight down an arrow and just know when to release, but squinting through a peep on a compound seems unatural and ungainly.

But that's natural ability, something genetic or learned at an early age without knowing.

What I'm saying, is that I can take a well tuned compound and teach a novice to shoot it appreciably well in little time, while it would take much longer to teach the skill of a longbow.

Take my mom for instance. Having never shot anything, anything in her life. Not an air rifle, not a nerf gun, and possibly never even a squirt gun, I convinced her to try my dad's crossbow (he's handicapped with MS). With 5 minutes of direction I had her acing bulls at 20 yards, from her first shot. Granted that's not an exact example, crossbows are even easier that compounds, but the principle is what I'm getting at.

[Arlos]

From Yale University's Introduction to Archery page:

Common Bows
Olympic, or Recurve: The only type of bow allowed in Olympic competition, as yet. Its limbs curve away from the archer. This is the direct descendant of the bows of antiquity, differing only in the materials used and refinements. The force required to pull an Olympic bow increases directly with the distance pulled.
Compound: This bow uses cams and cables to make the holding weight less than half of the draw weight. These bows are favored by bowhunters because of their greater accuracy, flatter arrow trajectory and their ease of use.

Beginners are often referred to the Olympic bow to start with, because it is deemed more difficult to master. The force required to hold the bow while aiming is considerable, sometimes requiring an archer to "let down" the bow without firing in order to rest the back and arm muscles. Mastery of the Olympic bow results in better muscle tone and overall archery habits; once that is accomplished the Compound bow represents a leap forward in accuracy and force. Also, a Compound bow is built for a particular draw length, which may not be easily changed. Growing bodies will grow out of compound bows swiftly in the teen years.

Now, I would apologize for referring to welsh longbowmen as opposed to modern longbows, but that's honestly what came to my mind first when discussing longbows. Maybe I'm too much a medievalist, but when someone says "Longbow", I think middle-ages and English & Welsh. Those bows they use then are significantly stronger pulls than really any modern bow, and it was all because of the lifelong training they underwent.

-Arlos

[Harrison]

you guys take everything way too seriously. first off why would you sit with along bow at full draw? long bows are easier than compound bows. you obviously have no real life experience, so shut up about it.

[Drem]

and at that point Finawin obviously stopped reading the rest of the thread...

[Harrison]

No, I read the rest.

That was the point that had me laughing.

I LEARNED how to shoot a bow with a longbow. I didn't use a compound bow for the first time up until I was 16 or so. (Aryylas would know exactly when, it was at his uncle's)

In middle school I was shooting seagulls.(not out of the air, these were on the ground in the fields behind the school.) We literally were built right behind a landfill. I'm not shitting you. Subsequently, they removed archery from P.E. forever when they saw a handful of dead seagulls with arrows through them. They never caught me doing it though.

[Drem]

Good, but I think compound bows are harder personally. they're really weird and don't have smooth draws. i fucking suck with them ~

[Arlos]

Yeah, but once you draw them, you can hold them drawn with negligible effort, allowing you to use sights, etc. Hell, some compound bows even have a trigger mechanism for firing the bow. HUGELY different from a longbow or recurve.

-Arlos