Airstrike takes out Al-Zarqawi

[Narrock]

Hahaha check this out:

http://www.break.com/index/baddayzarq.html

[Lyion]

i still don't see one single murder commited by Allah. perhaps by his followers, but not once Allah doing the actual killing through his "miracles". where does Allah actually open up a can of whoop ass?

Did you miss the part where Allah sends his Angels to do a beatdown. The literal translation isn't as powerful as the Arabic. Or where Allah wiped people out? Pretty straightforward.

Revelation, wasn't there a little something called the Apocalypse? the end of all things which will occur thanks to the loving christian god? so 7+ billion people, minus those that get taken away in the rapture. it would make your loving god the biggest mass murderer of eternity. even hitler, stalin, mao, ghengis khan, atilla the hun, son of sam, and rambo combined don't come close to that body count.

I suggest learning a little Latin and reading and getting what is really being written. Revelations is mired in extravagant symbolism.

Plus, being it's allegorical and has not occured, your argument doesn't really hold about it.

also i don't think the old testament is equally as important to islam as it is to christianity. when you open up a koran, it doesn't start with genesis. when you open up a bible, it does. at least the king james version

Islam believes their God is the same god of the Jews, just that Mohammed's work supersedes the Old Testament. This is identical to what Christians believe, a la the New Testament.

Now, obviously you equate that to the underlying theme of God that Christians follow, wrongly. I suggest you actually read the New Testament and the Koran to get a better feel for the content, since I doubt you've read either.

you've read them both? it's just a stab in the dark, but i'm guessing you didn't draw upon your vast memory for those passages.

Yep, I've read them both multiple times. I have debated both with Muslims and Catholics. I've read the Koran in Arabic. I spent years of my life in the Middle East as an interpreter for the military.

I grew up in a strong Italian Catholic Family, as well. Plus, I'm old so I remember when church was still in latin.

Both are fairly easy to read and not too long. You don't even have to go to the library to check em out.

http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/index.htm

http://www.hti.umich.edu/k/koran/browse.html

[Thon]

I suggest learning a little Latin and reading and getting what is really being written. Revelations is mired in extravagant symbolism.

Plus, being it's allegorical and has not occured, your argument doesn't really hold about it.

you lose, you can't all of a sudden say the bible is symbolic because it fucking destroys your whole argument. it is either the word of god or it isn't, make up your mind. in fact, write down Lyion's List, of what is divine truth, and what is just allegory. me and the rest of the world would love for that to finally be settled.

if it's in the bible then even if it's a future prediction, it will happen. which will make your peace loving god a bigger murderer than all the terrorists who have ever lived, or will ever live. what else is extravagant symbolism, the ressurection? i've shown you where in the New Testament God kills everyone, and everything. now show me how Allah and the Koran are worse.

The Apocalypse, or Revelation to John, the last book of the Bible, is one of the most difficult to understand because it abounds in unfamiliar and extravagant symbolism, which at best appears unusual to the modern reader

so...am i supposed to argue your links, or argue with you? at least have one original thought, or point. otherwise save us the trouble and just plagiarise the whole thing in lieu of an argument, rather than just snippets here and there. or at least change the words if you can't think of anything

Islam believes their God is the same god of the Jews, just that Mohammed's work supersedes the Old Testament. This is identical to what Christians believe, a la the New Testament.

nowhere did i say muslims don't consider the old testament sacred. i simply said they don't hold equal reverance for it as christians. if two things are not equal, than one must be larger and the other smaller. when you package the old testament with your holy book, i'd say you hold more reverance for it.

Did you miss the part where Allah sends his Angels to do a beatdown. The literal translation isn't as powerful as the Arabic. Or where Allah wiped people out? Pretty straightforward.

ahh yes, a few towns, a few finger tips. want to compare Allah's body count with Jesus/God/Holy ghost? since islam is a religion of violence, and yours is a religion of peace. it should be no problem, yes?

I spent years of my life in the Middle East as an interpreter for the military.

no wonder you have such a sunny disposition towards Islam. i can only imagine how much they loved someone wearing that uniform, and occupying their lands!

[Zanchief]

Plus, being it's allegorical and has not occured, your argument doesn't really hold about it.

I'm gonna have to agree with the Thon man on this one. You may believe it's allegory, but the vast majority of Christians believe it's really true.

[Lyion]

Except I never said the Bible was symbolic. Revelations is a unique and different book, and I was solely referencing it. You missed my point there, however in a poor generalization.

I've shown you multiple verses in Sura and other portions that reference Allah wiping out people. I've shown that Mohammed accepts the Old Testament as part of the history of Islam, similar to Christians accepting it. Both are superseded. You seem to ignore that.

We were discussing Gods actions in the past, but you referenced it with a book of prophetic symbols of things in the future. There is no corellary. It doesn't support your argument as far as I can see.

Sooo.. Do you want to discuss Old Testament/New Testament history and talk about things God did. Or..Do you want to discuss miscellaneous things that have no bearing to your original point?

Since this is the point I thought we were discussing...

I still don't see one single murder commited by Allah. perhaps by his followers, but not once Allah doing the actual killing through his "miracles". where does Allah actually open up a can of whoop ass?

As I said, I brought up many points about that, and some which you didn't agree with because you dislike their 'literal' meaning, then you respond with a book that no two Christians agree upon that hasn't occured as an answer and claim victory...

[Phlegm]

So who got the 25 million dollars bounty?

[Thon]

unless you've graduated from Admin to Prophet, Revelation is part of the New Testament. open up the Bible you've read multiple times, flip to the end. is it Revelation? it's as much a part of the Bible as any of the gospels. it's even in the link you posted for me to read.

because it hasn't happened yet is irrelevant. it just means God will commit a few billion acts of premeditated murder.

[Narrock]

So who got the 25 million dollars bounty?

Nobody got it, because the guys who ratted Zarqawi out were also Al-Qeida jihdists and are in jail. That's what they said on the news yesterday.

[Thon]

hey Chowdercunt, what's your flavor of christianity's view on Revelation?

[Ganzo]

It's silly to argue that Allah did not commit something that God of old or new testament, did cause to all Muslims it is same entity

[Thon]

ok so they're even going into the new age. show me anywhere in the Koran where Allah does something on par with the Apocalypse

[Drem]

Islam was basically used as an excuse for a worthless meglomaniac named Mohammed to make war, raid, loot, and justify whatever he wanted to. Read up on his history and you'll see that he was a truly disgusting human being (he was a pedophile, a warmonger, a thief, a hypocrite, a murderer, and died rather unceremoniously - poisoned by the wife of a man he murdered: some prophet).

As far as contemporary standards go, Islam is the most twisted, anti-life mainstream religion on the planet. In the worse countries, there is a level of backwardness almost (or equally) on par with the dark ages of Europe.

Even in the peaceful manifestations of it, it breeds abhorrent and shameful mental submissiveness, the abandonment of reason, and the degradation of women.

As far as ideological terms go... read the Koran. It is not a religion of peace - it's a religion of barbarity at its core. It's even worse than Christianity. At least most the bible is in parable form, so it's arguable that the bulk of morally questionable material is simply symbolic and part of Jewish lore. The Koran is literally just a list of poetic commands. You can list a couple of passages here and there that support peaceful action - but these are negated by those that incite violence: which are considerably numerous.

Fuck Islam. Right in the ass.

Ahahaha

You might want to re-check whatever you googled for your information on Muhammad. He was rich when he had his revelation, but after years of his mission he was ultimately poor. He slept on a bed made out of leaves and helped sick people and neighbors and spread his message about God... he died at age 63 from an illness. I guess if you're that stupid you could say it was a poisoning due to infidelity. I think he was involved with a few battles between Medina/Mecca. I don't know why you think he's a thief, pillager, rapist, etc. Probably because you're ignorant. I seriously think you guys need to read up about Islam. Or fuck, go and talk to someone in real life that actually knows it. You can't Google all your life's knowledge.

Just to see if Google would lead me in your direction, I tried googling a biography of Muhammad. I skimmed through three or four and none of them say 1% of what you said. I really wish stupid American faggots like you would stop saying this kind of shit. People like you are 80% of the reason we have a problem with the ENTIRE RELIGION of Islam, which we never had any issue with before until the last couple decades. In fact I guarantee half of you people posting never gave Islam a second thought until a bunch of crazy stupid FUCKS from the Taliban flew planes into the twin towers. Get a fucking grip. They're not a bunch of sand niggers out to kill everyone that isn't Muslim.

I give up on this arguement. You guys are so jaded against it that it's totally hopeless.

[DESX]

Islam was basically used as an excuse for a worthless meglomaniac named Mohammed to make war, raid, loot, and justify whatever he wanted to. Read up on his history and you'll see that he was a truly disgusting human being (he was a pedophile, a warmonger, a thief, a hypocrite, a murderer, and died rather unceremoniously - poisoned by the wife of a man he murdered: some prophet).

As far as contemporary standards go, Islam is the most twisted, anti-life mainstream religion on the planet. In the worse countries, there is a level of backwardness almost (or equally) on par with the dark ages of Europe.

Even in the peaceful manifestations of it, it breeds abhorrent and shameful mental submissiveness, the abandonment of reason, and the degradation of women.

As far as ideological terms go... read the Koran. It is not a religion of peace - it's a religion of barbarity at its core. It's even worse than Christianity. At least most the bible is in parable form, so it's arguable that the bulk of morally questionable material is simply symbolic and part of Jewish lore. The Koran is literally just a list of poetic commands. You can list a couple of passages here and there that support peaceful action - but these are negated by those that incite violence: which are considerably numerous.

Fuck Islam. Right in the ass.

Ahahaha

You might want to re-check whatever you googled for your information on Muhammad. He was rich when he had his revelation, but after years of his mission he was ultimately poor. He slept on a bed made out of leaves and helped sick people and neighbors and spread his message about God... he died at age 63 from an illness. I guess if you're that stupid you could say it was a poisoning due to infidelity. I think he was involved with a few battles between Medina/Mecca. I don't know why you think he's a thief, pillager, rapist, etc. Probably because you're ignorant. I seriously think you guys need to read up about Islam. Or fuck, go and talk to someone in real life that actually knows it. You can't Google all your life's knowledge.

Just to see if Google would lead me in your direction, I tried googling a biography of Muhammad. I skimmed through three or four and none of them say 1% of what you said. I really wish stupid American faggots like you would stop saying this kind of shit. People like them are 80% of the reason we have a problem with the ENTIRE RELIGION of Islam, which we never had any issue with before until the last couple decades. In fact I guarantee half of you people posting never gave Islam a second thought until a bunch of crazy stupid FUCKS from the Taliban flew planes into the twin towers. Get a fucking grip. They're not a bunch of sand niggers out to kill everyone that isn't Muslim.

I give up on this arguement. You guys are so jaded against it that it's totally hopeless.

Fix'd

hmmm I really think the reason why everyone is just a little.....hmmm lets say piss'd off at islam is because their religion is either BS or they need to specify more on peace really. So far.... (correct me if im wrong but I highly doubt it...I was very complete in my search) I have found 5 chrisitan terrorist cells...1 in canada and the rest in india. But Islamic terrorist cells...hmm lets see..36 islamic religious terrorist cells. Well im not sure about you but for me this tells me something.

Oh P.S. "Islamophobia" is older then 9/11....sure maybe not as wide spread but it will still around way back in the 80's. Look it up

[Polonious]

Point of clarification about Christianity.

There are some Christians that take a fundamental view of the Bible, and some that take a non-fundamentalist view.

This should give viewers an idea of the differences:

Fundamentalist (typically Baptists, Church of Christ, etc):
-Every sentence in the Bible is literal.
-The Bible is essentially a history of "Man".

Non-Fundamentalist (typically Catholic, Methodist, Anglican, etc):
-The authors of the works in the Bible were inspired by God.
-The books of the bible are written in different literary styles ranging from factual histories, to alegories, and eveny plays (the book of Job).
-The message the writer is conveying is what God has inspired, not the literary form the writer choses to use.

[Martrae]

Anyone know why they are making such a big deal about him still being alive for a bit after the bombing? It's like the media are just trying to stir up more shit and it gets old fast.

[Captain Insano]

I'm working on rewriting the bible/koran and the menu at Taco Bell all rolled into one master book of great religiousness...

It will be the King Ralph version...I'm pretty sure church will be cancelled on sundays in favor of football, or limited to a 10 minute sermon that can be easily accessed via the internet from bed. All in all it will be a lot like New Rules by Bill Maher, except I will have a few additional chapters about the mistreatment of strippers and how to beat your awful children to ensure a place in heaven. Oh and all arabs will be forced to bathe once a day and use Old Spice deodorant or the wrathe of god will smite them. You ever sit next to an a-rab on the plane? Stinky mutherfuckers.