Europeans back Bush on Iran, North Korea

[Narrock]

VIENNA, Austria - President Bush on Wednesday won a robust endorsement from European leaders for his tough approach to nuclear standoffs with Iran and North Korea, despite trans-Atlantic differences on Iraq, Guantanamo Bay and trade.

European Union leaders emerged from a summit with Bush in this capital of cafes and cobblestones to back U.S. demands that North Korea abandon a long-range missile test and that Iran quit dragging its feet in responding to a Western plan aimed at getting it to suspend uranium enrichment activity.

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Wednesday that his country will respond to the proposal by mid-August.

Bush was cool to the time frame. "It shouldn't take the Iranians that long to analyze what is a reasonable deal," he said. "We'll come to the table when they verifiably suspend. Period."

The summit host, Austrian Chancellor Wolfgang Schuessel — whose country holds the rotating presidency of the 25-nation EU — said it's best for Iran to agree to the proposal as soon as possible. "This is the carrot. Take it," Schuessel said.

On North Korea, Schuessel agreed with Bush that the communist country faces further isolation from the international community if it test fires a long-range missile believed capable of reaching U.S. soil.

"It should make people nervous when non-transparent regimes who have announced they have nuclear warheads, fire missiles," Bush said. "This is not the way you conduct business in the world."

Schuessel said Europe would support the U.S. against North Korea if it test fires the missile.

"If that happens, there will be a strong statement and a strong answer from the international community. And Europe will be part of it. There's no doubt," said Schuessel, who appeared with Bush and European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso to address reporters.

There were a host of other issues on the U.S.-EU agenda.

On terrorism, Bush thanked the Europeans for their support in Afghanistan and Iraq, while acknowledging past disputes about the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq.

"I can understand the differences ... but what's past is past and what's ahead is a hopeful democracy in the Middle East," he said.

Across the 25-nation bloc, mounting discontent over the U.S. detention center at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, the campaign in Iraq and the purported existence of secret CIA terror prisons in Eastern Europe have threatened to eclipse the talks.

Bush acknowledged European concerns about the 460 detainees held at the U.S. facility in Cuba because of their suspected ties to al-Qaida and Taliban. But he said the group includes some dangerous people who need to be brought to justice.

"I understand their concerns," Bush said. "I'd like to end Guantanamo. I'd like it to be over with."

Bush said 200 detainees had been sent home, and that most of the remaining 460 are from Saudi Arabia, Yemen and Afghanistan.

"There are some who need to be tried in U.S. courts," he said. "They're cold-blooded killers. They will murder somebody if they are let out on the street."

Barroso said the leaders also discussed with Bush a way to reach a balanced conclusion to a global trade deal. The United States is among 149 nations trying to finish the international round of trade talks known as the Doha Round, named after the city in Qatar where they began.

Negotiators have missed several deadlines. There are disagreements over cutting farm barriers in Europe, the United States and other rich nations. Major developing countries, such as India and Brazil, also are refusing to significantly reduce trade barriers that protect their manufacturing and service industries.

"After the good exchange of views we had today during this summit, I'm convinced — I'm really convinced that it's possible to have a successful outcome of the Doha talks," Barroso said. "And it's crucially important from a trade point of view, from a global economic point of view, but also from a development point of view."

Bush dismissed as "absurd" a recent poll by the Pew Research Center for the People and the Press in which European nations said U.S. involvement in Iraq was a worse problem than Iran and its nuclear program.

While Bush scores low on popularity polls in Europe, Schuessel rose to his defense, which seemed to catch the American president by surprise.

"I think it's grotesque to say that America is a threat to the peace in the world compared with North Korea, Iran, a lot of countries," Schuessel said, adding that it was Bush who raised Guantanamo and other thorny issues.

"He came up, and he said, `Look, this is my problem. This is where we are,'" Schuessel said. "And I think we should be fair from the other side of the Atlantic. We should understand what Sept. 11 meant to the American people."

Still, anti-Bush sentiment was prevalent.

About 1,200 students chanting "Bush Go Home!" rallied at a train station to protest his visit to the capital, where 1,000 police officers were assigned solely to deal with demonstrators. Another 2,000 officers patrolled the city.

Leading the students was U.S. "peace mom" Cindy Sheehan, who lost her son in Iraq and energized the anti-war movement last summer with a protest outside Bush's Texas ranch. Demonstrators waved black flags, blew whistles, beat drums and shouted, "Hey, ho, Bush has got to go!" Others carried banners and signs that said "World's No. 1 Terrorist" and "Islam is not the enemy."

[Narrock]

N. Korea is wanting to test fire an intercontinental ballistic missile.

[Captain Insano]

I hope they do test fire it.... then lets "test" fire like 50 at them. "Oops... those were armed with nuclear warheads...does this mean the test failed?"

[DESX]

Lol rouge nations with nuclear ballistic missiles is why I highly support major funding for a good missile defense shield.

[Minrott]

pff N Koreas missle only has enough range to hit the west coast. Fire away.

[Tuggan]

pff N Koreas missle only has enough range to hit the west coast. Fire away.

hahaha

[DESX]

pff N Koreas missle only has enough range to hit the west coast. Fire away.

Well the exact range is still undetermined lol I have seen some fucking newspapers and sites saying it has a range of 9,300m others at 3-4000m so ><. They aren't light enough to carry a warhead though ne way.

[brinstar]

i do not want n.korea or iran to have nuclear missiles by any means

but the only nation to ever actually use nuclear weapons telling ahmadinejad and il that they can't have them does seem pointedly hypocritical

i can come to terms with that, though i'd rather NOBODY had any nukes

[Captain Insano]

well you're a huge pussy.

The fact that we have lots of nukes is part of the reason we are a superpower and have such a high quality of life in comparison to the rest of the world.

What, do you actually think that if we weren't so fucking powerful we would have the wealth that most Americans take for granted?

[Arlos]

Sweden has no nukes and has a higher standard of living than we do.

-Arlos

[Narrock]

well you're a huge pussy.

The fact that we have lots of nukes is part of the reason we are a superpower and have such a high quality of life in comparison to the rest of the world.

What, do you actually think that if we weren't so fucking powerful we would have the wealth that most Americans take for granted?

QFT

[Drem]

well you're a huge pussy.

The fact that we have lots of nukes is part of the reason we are a superpower and have such a high quality of life in comparison to the rest of the world.

What, do you actually think that if we weren't so fucking powerful we would have the wealth that most Americans take for granted?

I don't really watch 60 minutes but Andey Rooney had a segment last Sunday and he talked about military spending among different countries over the last year. The country closest to our spending had spent something like 30 or 40 billion and that was Russia I think. We spent $422 billion.... that's just an insane amount of money. He said we have 8,000 tanks and one of those is the price of xxx station wagons. We also spent a few billion just on bullets. I'm all for a strong military but when do we actually use all of this stuff we're paying for? And how much of what we buy is wasteful? A few billion dollars just for bullets? That's a lot of target practice...

[Phlegm]

The military is currently using a lot bullets in certain part of the world right now.

[Captain Insano]

You wouldn't believe... thats not enough ammo. We NEVER had enough ammo to properly practice.

We use the military constantly to control the world, much like we are doing in Iraq right now. Most military spending actually goes towards the never ending training. The cost of our military expenditures is repaid for being the current world superpower and therefore justified IMO.

If we want to save money I say cancel welfair, medicaid, minority scholarships and educational funding....Now those are shitty investments.

[Captain Insano]

Sweden has no nukes and has a higher standard of living than we do.

-Arlos

what are you trying to say, brinstars not a huge pussy?

[vonkaar]

War is evil:

[Drem]

The military is currently using a lot bullets in certain part of the world right now.

Oh my God, really? Where?

[Drem]

If we want to save money I say cancel welfair, medicaid, minority scholarships and educational funding....Now those are shitty investments.

Make drugs legal and start taxing religion. It would be top $$

I don't think being the top world superpower justifies spending $400+ billion when the next closest military spent <$50 billion. I really doubt it takes a difference of $400 billion to be the world superpower.

You want to cut minority scholarships and medicaid and educational funding? You are fucked up. Fucked up.

[Narrock]

If we want to save money I say cancel welfare...

If they do that then who's gonna pay for the birth of Kizzy's spawn?

[Markarado]

As we learn how to make newer and better equipment we can simply sell the old shit to other countries... It's not like the money is being thrown away...

[Tuggan]

then they can use our technology against us, woot woot

[Markarado]

There are plenty of countries to sell to that aren't a threat.

[Thon]

like when we armed Saddam to fight Iran, or Osama to fight the Soviets!

[DESX]

like when we armed Saddam to fight Iran, or Osama to fight the Soviets!

Lol no crap the only countries that would buy our old shit are really pretty much only 3rd world countries the rest have better crap then what we could give them.

[brinstar]

like when we armed Saddam to fight Iran, or Osama to fight the Soviets!

shhhh warhawks don't like to be reminded of these things