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[Tikker]

you really don't know what prestigious means

[Jay]

Prestige and popularity go hand and hand. I've never heard of Charter Oaks.

[Gidan]

I am not going to get on either side, but to mention "New England Association of Schools and Colleges" doesn't really win any points. Hell, look at the list of colleges on their website which includes "Tunxis Community College". This college was 1/4 mile from where I use to live. The students who went there did so because they didn't get accepted ANYWHERE else.

Charter Oak may very well be a very good school. However saying that they are good because of the NEASC or the book they use doesn’t hold much water. The books they use are meaningless; it’s how well they are able to get the information across to the students. Based on Prinston Review, People who consider Charter Oak also usually consider Albertus Magnus College and Central Connecticut State University. So that’s probably about where Charter Oak ranks. In general however, the student determines far more about what they get from college then the school. Schools like Harvard and Yale do as well as they do not only because they have the best Professors, but because they are starting with the best students.

[The Kizzy]

Mindia and Soandso buy the same pair of shoes, but at different stores. Mindia's buyqualityshoescheap.com, and he never had to leave his house. Maybe he got them a little cheaper. Soandso got is shoes at Nordtrom's, but since they are the same shoe and he paid more. Who really cares. That doesn't mean Mindia should be going around saying he got his shoes at Nordstroms. It's the same shoe.

[Arlos]

It's entirely possible, even likely, that Charter Oak gives a reasonable quality of education. Simply having a number of PhDs and MBAs on staff doesn't make it so, however. Pretty much EVERY college or university requires professors to be PhD level, and I can't imagine a MBA curriculum where the professors teaching the classes weren't MBAs themselves.

Presitige is another animal entirely, however. It is not only the quality of the education the university provides, it is also how FAMOUS that university is FOR providing the quality of education that it does. Yale, Harvard, Stanford, etc. all provide outstanding educations, and are known throughout the world as top-quality universities. THAT is why they are "prestigious", because not only do they PROVIDE the education, they are famous FOR providing it. Charter Oak could provide a better education than Stanford (unlikely), but it wouldn't be anywhere near as prestigious, because almost no one has heard of it.

A hiring manager who sees a PhD from MIT or CalTech, or a MBA from Stanford or Harvard is going to go "Ooooh", and sit up and take notice. Someoen who sees Charter Oak college isn't going to do the same thing. They'll note you have a degree, sure, but it's not something that's going to make them sit up and take notice.

Kizzy's analogy is entirely inaccurate, and ultimately meaningless in this case.

-Arlos

[The Kizzy]

Everyone on the NT has heard of it, about a thousand times now!!!

[Jay]

It's prestigious here, but then again, so is tubgirl, goatse and Manalope's cock.

[Martrae]

That just makes it infamous.

[Jay]

Oh and who can forget wtftit

[The Kizzy]

Well, I had forgotten wtftit until this moment.

[Arlos]

Agreed. Well known isn't the same thing as prestigious either. Chico State is extremely well known, but it's well known for being a complete "party university", where people are more concerned with getting drunk than actually learning anything. So, despite being well-known, it is hardly prestigious.

-Arlos

[Darcler]

The problem is that he *is* saying he got them at Nordstroms. He is making a huge deal about his school being prestigious (which, by definition alone, it isnt) when it is just another online school, identical to PCDI or some such. Except people have heard of PCDI.

But to say that his school is on par with Harvard is rediculous. They might be accredited by the same organization, but to look at the requirements for entry to his school is somewhat of a joke.

It is open to anyone 16 years or older who have 9 college credits already.
You can go to your local community college for those 9 credits and take remedial classes and get your 9 credits to be accepted to Charter Oaks.
I may be wrong, be I think Harvard has a little more strick acceptance guidlines lol

Oh, they use the same book for Richand Community College math as they do at Texas A&M. Books mean jack.

[Jay]

He's not saying he got them from Nordstroms. He's saying he got them from Ross which got their business license from the same offices Nordstrom's got theirs thus meaning same quality.

[Darcler]

He's not saying he got them from Nordstroms. He's saying he got them from Ross which got their business license from the same offices Nordstrom's got theirs thus meaning same quality.

That's more like it.

[Tikker]

I am not going to get on either side, but to mention "New England Association of Schools and Colleges" doesn't really win any points. Hell, look at the list of colleges on their website which includes "Tunxis Community College". This college was 1/4 mile from where I use to live. The students who went there did so because they didn't get accepted ANYWHERE else.

Charter Oak may very well be a very good school. However saying that they are good because of the NEASC or the book they use doesn’t hold much water. The books they use are meaningless; it’s how well they are able to get the information across to the students. Based on Prinston Review, People who consider Charter Oak also usually consider Albertus Magnus College and Central Connecticut State University. So that’s probably about where Charter Oak ranks. In general however, the student determines far more about what they get from college then the school. Schools like Harvard and Yale do as well as they do not only because they have the best Professors, but because they are starting with the best students.

that's exactly what I'm saying




it's the difference between nailing Elisha Cuthbert, and some chick that looks like Elisha Cuthbert

[Harrison]

inc wtftit

[Lyion]

Hey, I never said Charter Oak has the same reputation as Harvard or Yale. I did say, however, that Charter Oak is under the same accrediting and governing body as Harvard and Yale, and that speaks highly of an educational institution. The New England Association of Schools and Colleges doesn't just accept any Joe Shmoe who wants to start up a college. There are rigorous education and quality standards the school must meet. That isn't easy to do. Charter Oak has been around for some 33 years, and is highly successful. Why do you think I chose them? I want you to think about that for a minute. I also looked at the books for the classes at Charter Oak and compared them to other universities, and guess what... THEY ARE THE SAME BOOKS.

The professors are mostly PhD's, and a lot of MBA's too. The professors at Charter Oak are leaders in their industry, high-level executive managers, etc. and they bring a lot of knowledge to the table... just like at other universities. Charter Oak was designed for the working professional in mind... people who don't have time to commute to a brick-and-mortar campus after working all day. Yes, Charter Oakis a prestigious college/b] when you look at their curriculum, accreditation, and quality of their professors.

I think people are doing a lot of nitpicking here. It sounds like a good college, Mindia. However, when people think prestigious, they think ivy league or top 5 tech school. That means a very small handful of schools.

I think a better word would be respected college. Nobody is disrespecting your degree, as its a good accomplishment. A degree, like a car does what it does. However, there is a difference between a Toyota Camry and a Ferrarri.

I went to Cal Poly, a good school, but by no means prestigious or top 5.

prestigious

adj 1: having an illustrious reputation; respected; "our esteemed leader"; "a prestigious author" [syn: esteemed, honored] 2: exerting influence by reason of high status or prestige;

[Diekan]

http://adulted.about.com/cs/fasttrackop ... degree.htm

The article states that while Charter Oak is a legit school... but it suggests that it's a boarder line degree mill.

It gives you credit for real life expereince... and THAT makes it very suspect.

Distance learning expert Dr. Steve Levicoff earned his bachelor's degree at Thomas Edison State College. He amassed an astonishing ninety-eight college credits using portfolio assessment. Since the average college degree is about one hundred twenty units, this gives you some idea of the possibilities. He was able to prove knowledge in such diverse areas as "Folk Music in the United States," "Advanced Radio Production," and "Society & Sexual Variations."

Notice that Thomas Edison State is in the same league as Charter Oak...

I think getting credit for work experience is retarded. Most "real" schools don't do that... with ONE exception.

Most major universities WILL give you phys ed credit if you've been in the military... other than that... ha.

If I were to ask my school if I could get credit for work experience I'd get laughed out of the program. Hense why I think the qualitiy of education of Charter Oak is suspect.

[Lyion]

I think getting credit for work experience is retarded. Most "real" schools don't do that... with ONE exception.

Most major universities WILL give you phys ed credit if you've been in the military... other than that... ha.

If I were to ask my school if I could get credit for work experience I'd get laughed out of the program. Hense why I think the qualitiy of education of Charter Oak is suspect.

That's not true. A lot of military training transfers, and it should.

You don't give any arguements against life credit, except you are personally against the paradigm. Also, your degree is a pure science one. That's a bit different than an MBA or Information Technology Degree.

I went through DLI. I guarantee my military school was an order of magnitude harder than your current schooling is, Diekan. We have a 60% fail out rate and over 3/5 of the people I went through DLI with had college degrees, either two or four year variety.

Likewise, real life is tougher than college. Credit for adults with life experience makes perfect sense to me.

Anyways, a college degree is just a bullshit piece of paper. Its great for a resume, but 90% of the time it's just an MLM scam of bullshit our society has put together that should be free, but is for making large sums of cash to a group that probably couldn't hack it in the private sector.

The exception being medical and law degrees.

[Diekan]

Depends on what type of degree you're talking about - concerning it being a bullshit piece of paper.

That might be true for a lot of fields, but where science and engineering are concerned - it's simply not true.

Unless you're Mensa material you're not going to teach yourself calculus, differential equations, physics and everything else needed to function as an engineer. Likewise, again, unless you're Mensa material - there's no way in hell you can self-teach what you need to know to be a functional scientist.

Business? Maybe...

I still think that getting credit for real life is BS. Just because you "do" something for 8 hours a day doesn't mean you understand what the hell is going on. I'm talking about most jobs.

Even as a lab tech - sure you can take someone off the street and tell them to pour solution A into the flask and then add compound B and write down the color the mixture turns after five minutes. But, that doesn't mean they're going to understand the chemical reactions that are taking place. That doesn't mean they DESERVE to get college credit for chemistry.

I think you should do your time and EARN the right to sport the degree.

[Diekan]

By the way... degrees of difficulty in different fields is relative.

Most people have a hard time learning a different language... most people also have a difficult time learning genetics.

I don't think you can generalize one as being harder than the other. It depends on the individual and said individual's aptitude for the material. I dated a latin woman who could speak english, french, some danish, and of course spanish. Trying to 'teach' her genetics was a lost cause. She just couldn't get it.

[Lyion]

Military school doesn't cater to idiots. You fail two tests in consectuive weeks in an advanced school, you flunk out and head to the fleet to chip paint.

This is opposed to college, whereis as long as the checks clear, you're still in.

And yes, if you DO something, you know it better than someone who just has a college degree in it. I do not have a Comp Sci degree. I can code and tune databases better than many with Comp Sci degrees.

Likewise, someone who has been in marketing for many years probably knows quite a bit about it.

The best example I can give is the movie "Something the Lord Made"
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0386792/

Not only is it a good flick, with two excellent actors, Alan Rickman trying to do a Southern Accent which is comic gold, and Mos Def, a very underrated actor, but it tackles EXACTLY the issue you are addressing here. Watch that and tell me Vivien Thomas didn't know more than others.

Anyways, I have no problem with life credits, and I think for adults its a better way to go. It's not like they still won't do the core courses.

As I said, college degree's are a big MLM BS deal. My Math degree is nice, but ultimately gave me nothing sans a nice bullet on my resume.

[Tikker]

Military school doesn't cater to idiots. You fail two tests in consectuive weeks in an advanced school, you flunk out and head to the fleet to chip paint.

This is opposed to college, whereis as long as the checks clear, you're still in.

no generalizations here

[Diekan]

This is opposed to college, whereis as long as the checks clear, you're still in.

Umm... get a C in two courses of a graduate program and see how long you stay in that program.

What you said may very well be true for most undergrad programs, but graduate level work is a completely different story.

If you don't get high enough GRE scores you're not getting in. Not to mention, as I stated above, you get a couple of C's (in two courses overall) you can foget staying in the program... you're gone (at least with my school). Once you've failed out of one graduate program your chances of getting into another are slim to none.

SOME military schools won't put up with dolts... DLI, Navy's Nuclear school, Air Force flight school - yeah - I agree with you 100%... they ARE tough, they ARE challenging, they DO have a high rate of failures. But, that doesn't make them 'harder' than some civilian graduate programs. You're forgetting that while you're in the Navy's nuke program you're not having to 'master' un-related material as you do on the civilian side of the house.

Now, with that said - I will rescind my original comment and agree that the training people get while in a course like the Navy's nuclear program should translate to civilian college credit. But, that's just it... you're still taking courses. Going through the training programs offered by the military is NOT the same as going through training programs offered by most employers on the civilian side. Most civilian type training is laughable in comparison.

I will not change my stance that civilian employment should not count for college credit. There is no way the school can verify that said training was/is legit and not just two weeks of extra long lunch breaks, watching a few in-house made videos and listening to some dolt who'd rather be back at the office than teaching you anything of any substance.

[Tossica]

There is no way the school can verify that said training was/is legit and not just two weeks of extra long lunch breaks, watching a few in-house made videos and listening to some dolt who'd rather be back at the office than teaching you anything of any substance.

They can test you on the material.