Ahhhhnold raises minimum wage in California

[Jay]

There's really no legit reason for not raising the min wage. The prices on everything from milk to gas to rent and everything else in between has gone up considerably. To not require greedy businesses to pay more is rediculous.

You gotta consider the mindset of most business types... they're greedy and gluttonous. If you don't make them take care of their employees - they wont - they're all about themselves.

As for small businesses - well as you all know - I hate big business with a passion, but I'm not exactly a fan of the small guys either. Generally speaking, they're over priced and provide shitty service.

I'm a business type. Most people I associate with are business types. I wouldn't go as far as calling them most them greedy and gluttonous. Money hungry would be a more accurate way to describe it. I'm all about sharing the wealth as long as I keep accumulating it, I'm not trying to take anymore than anyone else that's also in my position. Greed commonly refers to wanting more than your peer and wanting to pocket the money as opposed to reinvesting it to grow your company.

Also, I find that small businesses provide the best service. They're more personal and they take better care of you because you're worth more to them than to a multi national corporation. It's true they charge more, but if they're willing to jump through more hoops to deliver me a result I'll gladly pay the extra.

But see Jay, if you're peers are being greedy and you want just as much as them, then you have to be greedy to keep up with them. By your logic for you not partake in greedy behaviour every single other businessman in the world has to also not be greedy.

That's true to an extent. In anything large or small, everyone wants their cut. Greedy is when try to find every excuse in he world to say they deserve more than the next guy. When it comes to running a business, theres people who see the value of reinvestment and there's the greedy type who wants to take his money and head over to the Bentley dealership immediately. There's people out there who are happy when they and thir partners make more, and there's others who are constantly plotting to somehow eliminate their partner to take a higher percentage.

[10sun]

Yes, because no one starts a business on a shoestring or is hanging on by a thread. For all your hype about "buy local" you really have no clue how many places are a month away from closing their doors.

If memory serves, companies with below a certain number of employees(20 I think?) can still control what they pay their employees.

[Yamori]

Think we just had a thread about this, suffice to say that imo, inflation is the cause of low wages not being enough to support someone decently - not the wage itself.

Raising the minimum wage is useless so long as we have a currency with no gold standard that has an increasing supply with time, legally entrenched and coercive labor unions (ie: artificially inflated prices in some professions), certain taxes/regulations on businesses that provide neccessities, ect.

Walmart and their ilk will just raise their prices a bit on everything or fire a few workers to compensate - it's foolish to think they'll give up their profits, because they won't. Throwing other peoples' money at the problem will do absolutely nothing in the long run but make the US dollar increasingly less valuable - which fucks over the lower class more than anyone else.

[Tikker]

I still think the problem is the mindset of people who think that minimum wage needs to be high enough to raise a family on

[Harrison]

I still think the problem is the mindset of people who think that minimum wage needs to be high enough to raise a family on

I've been saying this since the last thread.

[Jay]

I think minimum wage should be enough to raise half a family on, so you can make that bitch go to work.

[Arlos]

Minimum wage should be high enough that someone who works full time at it makes enough to not be below the poverty line. Sorry, but if you're putting in 40 hours a week at a job, you shouldn't still be below the poverty line. That's THEMSELVES above the poverty line, not a wife, family, etc. One person.

-Arlos

[Narrock]

Minimum wage should be high enough that someone who works full time at it makes enough to not be below the poverty line. Sorry, but if you're putting in 40 hours a week at a job, you shouldn't still be below the poverty line. That's THEMSELVES above the poverty line, not a wife, family, etc. One person.

-Arlos

Can you imagine working for minimum wage in the bay area? You sure would have one mean cardboard house in "People's Park."

[Arlos]

You might be able to pull it off if you lived somewhere REALLY cheap, like Hunter's Point, parts of East Palo Alto, or far-east-bay places like Vacaville or Livermore. You'd have to room with like 3-4 other people too, and probably would have to take public transit everywhere. Even then it'd be iffy, at least on the current minimum wage. The new one, maybe.

-Arlos

[Phlegm]

San Francisco minimum wage has been $8.82 hr. since beginning of the year and there is a ballot initiative in Santa Cruz that would raise the miminum to $9.25 hr.

[Jay]

Minimum wage should be high enough that someone who works full time at it makes enough to not be below the poverty line. Sorry, but if you're putting in 40 hours a week at a job, you shouldn't still be below the poverty line. That's THEMSELVES above the poverty line, not a wife, family, etc. One person.

-Arlos

Can you imagine working for minimum wage in the bay area? You sure would have one mean cardboard house in "People's Park."

In Corte Madera if you offer someone 13 an hour they feel like they're getting jipped.

[Phlegm]

Yes, because no one starts a business on a shoestring or is hanging on by a thread. For all your hype about "buy local" you really have no clue how many places are a month away from closing their doors.

If memory serves, companies with below a certain number of employees(20 I think?) can still control what they pay their employees.

This is incorrect. Minimum wage applies to all hourly employees regardless of the size of the company.

[10sun]

Yes, because no one starts a business on a shoestring or is hanging on by a thread. For all your hype about "buy local" you really have no clue how many places are a month away from closing their doors.

If memory serves, companies with below a certain number of employees(20 I think?) can still control what they pay their employees.

This is incorrect. Minimum wage applies to all hourly employees regardless of the size of the company.

You might want to read up on the law regarding that. I am very certain that it applies only to businesses above a certain number of employees.

[Gidan]

Minimum wage should be high enough that someone who works full time at it makes enough to not be below the poverty line. Sorry, but if you're putting in 40 hours a week at a job, you shouldn't still be below the poverty line. That's THEMSELVES above the poverty line, not a wife, family, etc. One person.

-Arlos

Can you imagine working for minimum wage in the bay area? You sure would have one mean cardboard house in "People's Park."

I am not sure minimum wage would cover the cardboard box.

My little brother just moved into a small 3 bedroom home out that way that is smaller then what I have in TX. Mine is worth about 120K, his went for over 1,000,000. Cardboard box must run a good 500/month out there.

[Narrock]

Minimum wage should be high enough that someone who works full time at it makes enough to not be below the poverty line. Sorry, but if you're putting in 40 hours a week at a job, you shouldn't still be below the poverty line. That's THEMSELVES above the poverty line, not a wife, family, etc. One person.

-Arlos

Can you imagine working for minimum wage in the bay area? You sure would have one mean cardboard house in "People's Park."

I am not sure minimum wage would cover the cardboard box.

My little brother just moved into a small 3 bedroom home out that way that is smaller then what I have in TX. Mine is worth about 120K, his went for over 1,000,000. Cardboard box must run a good 500/month out there.

Fortunately, California real estate has already reached it's peak several months ago and prices have been steadily dropping. But that's not saying much, since even manufactured homes are $300k in some areas around here. It's a total buyer's market right now, but prices need to drop even more before I'd even consider buying.

[Phlegm]

Yes, because no one starts a business on a shoestring or is hanging on by a thread. For all your hype about "buy local" you really have no clue how many places are a month away from closing their doors.

If memory serves, companies with below a certain number of employees(20 I think?) can still control what they pay their employees.

This is incorrect. Minimum wage applies to all hourly employees regardless of the size of the company.

You might want to read up on the law regarding that. I am very certain that it applies only to businesses above a certain number of employees.

A friend of mine owns a small company with only 8 people and it applies to him.

[Eziekial]

Federal is just over $5 and it applies to all except agriculture and maybe some other special interest group. State can raise it to anything they want and apply it as they see fit (ie, CA can have $10 min wage except for those working in Computers so AMD can hire people at $5.15 or whatever the Federal minimum is but the town grocer has to hire at $10). Also, cities like San Diego or Miami can have a min wage above the state.
Class dismissed.