"Reverse Racism" or just "Plain-old Racism&qu

[Harrison]

Lately I've noticed a huge amount of racism towards whites like it's some sort of normality.

I don't support racism in any sense of the word, despite what you may think of me. This post is a result of a huge argument I got into with someone from the magician community forums. (and others)

No, their biggest enemies are ignorant racists like yourself who polute the Earth. Morons who've deluded themselves into thinking everyone has the same pristine opportunities as the white elite. Historically blacks were oppressed in the US, and the prejudice has hardly died out. Clue yourself up.

That is 100% racist. The fact that the above poster lives in fucking Europe and has never set foot in the U.S. pisses me off more.

rac·ism Pronunciation (rszm)
n.
1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

Lately it is becoming acceptable for this brand of racism. I do not find it acceptable and I am wondering how many of you do.

He doesn't consider any of the shit he was spewing racist at all because it was towards whites. This is the current trend where racism is acceptable if it's towards whites.

[Tossica]

The Euros are light years ahead of the US as far as race relations.

[Narrock]

Don't get yourself worked up over it Harrison. There are ignorant retards all over the world. He's just a typical clueless Eurotrash assclown.

[Tikker]

well

you make it sound like there isn't still a lot of people alive in the USA from a time when segregation was normal


what the euro dude said is probably still fairly accurate

[Lyion]

The Euros are light years ahead of the US as far as race relations.

As someone who's lived in Europe, I can call complete bullshit. I suggest living there and realizing they are light years BEHIND the US. There is no slave guilt mentality there, like there is here, and there is more racism. It's 100 times easier for a black person to succeed here than in the UK, France, or Sweden.

Caucasians are still ~75% of this country. A vast majority of the cash is dilluted at the top of the chain. You can't claim reverse racism or issues about a group that has most of the wealth.

The US has huge opportunities and business is king. We are the most color-blind and opportunistic country in the world. Ask any Middle Eastern, African, or other foreign small business owner who arrived here without speaking English, and currently owns a business and makes great cash, of which there are millions.

[Narrock]

well

you make it sound like there isn't still a lot of people alive in the USA from a time when segregation was normal


what the euro dude said is probably still fairly accurate

LOL he said ONE thing that was accurate. Let's break down what the moron said:

No, their biggest enemies are ignorant racists like yourself who polute the Earth. Morons who've deluded themselves into thinking everyone has the same pristine opportunities as the white elite. Historically blacks were oppressed in the US, and the prejudice has hardly died out. Clue yourself up.

1. He opens up with this line which makes him an ass right out of the gate. He doesn't even know Harrison, yet makes a statement like this:

No, their biggest enemies are ignorant racists like yourself who polute the Earth.

2. His next statement is equally as retarded:

Morons who've deluded themselves into thinking everyone has the same pristine opportunities as the white elite.

Everyone does have the same opportunities in America. In fact, Blacks have an even easier time getting government assistance than Whites. I like how he added "elite whites" to be an even bigger ass.

3. Now, he finally says something that has truth to it:

Historically blacks were oppressed in the US

Well, we all know about the slavery issue, and segregation, but that's no longer an issue obviously.

4. This line had me 'ing.

and the prejudice has hardly died out

Now who, on the face of the earth, doesn't have at least the slightest ounce of prejudices of some type? Every race, every nation, just about every person on the planet has some sort of prejudice against somebody else on some level. I like how he conveniently excludes himself from this statement.

5. Then he closes with this piece of poetic wonderment:

Clue yourself up

Gotta love irony.

So, I'm just curious Tikker... what do you agree with this moron aboot?

[Tossica]

The Euros are light years ahead of the US as far as race relations.

As someone who's lived in Europe, I can call complete bullshit. I suggest living there and realizing they are light years BEHIND the US. There is no slave guilt mentality there, like there is here, and there is more racism. It's 100 times easier for a black person to succeed here than in the UK, France, or Sweden.

Caucasians are still ~75% of this country. A vast majority of the cash is dilluted at the top of the chain. You can't claim reverse racism or issues about a group that has most of the wealth.

The US has huge opportunities and business is king. We are the most color-blind and opportunistic country in the world. Ask any Middle Eastern, African, or other foreign small business owner who arrived here without speaking English, and currently owns a business and makes great cash, of which there are millions.

You are talking strictly financial. I never said anything about financial opportunities, nor did I mention racism against blacks. I said the euros are light years ahead of the US as far as race relations go. That goes both ways. White people are not hated for being white in EU, in the US they are. Besides a few "nigger" jokes on message boards, on XBox live, etc, I rarely witness any racism in my daily life unless it's from a black person. There is a HUGE cultural difference in the US between growing up black and growing up white and it's getting worse. That cultural difference is much less in England, Germany, etc. In the US, unless you listen to gangsta rap, have spinners on your Escalade and smoke Newports, you aren't "representin'" your culture, this isn't true in EU. Are there as many financial opportunities in EU for different races? I don't know but I am betting you are less likely in England to get your ass kicked by a gang of thugs for hitting on a black girl in a club.

[Lyion]

You are talking strictly financial. I never said anything about financial opportunities, nor did I mention racism against blacks. I said the euros are light years ahead of the US as far as race relations go. That goes both ways. White people are not hated for being white in EU, in the US they are. Besides a few "nigger" jokes on message boards, on XBox live, etc, I rarely witness any racism in my daily life unless it's from a black person. There is a HUGE cultural difference in the US between growing up black and growing up white and it's getting worse. That cultural difference is much less in England, Germany, etc. In the US, unless you listen to gangsta rap, have spinners on your Escalade and smoke Newports, you aren't "representin'" your culture, this isn't true in EU. Are there as many financial opportunities in EU for different races? I don't know but I am betting you are less likely in England to get your ass kicked by a gang of thugs for hitting on a black girl in a club.

The Euro's are much, much more insensitive and certainly not a melting pot. Racism is MUCH more prevalent in the UK and Germany, than in the US.

What you did correctly identify is the cultural difference causes more issues in the US, than it does overseas. However, that cultural difference is allowed due to our oversensitivity and political correctness that certainly does not exist in Europe. I don't think that can be called racism, but the failings of years of overliberal approaches that allow groups to not integrate and accept the silliness of Ebonics and 'Gangster' mentalities. This perpetuates an urban loser lifestyle that prevents many from succeeding, but again that isn't racism at all.

You are much, much more likely to get your ass kicked for being Black in London than in any large US City.

[Diekan]

The Euros are light years ahead of the US as far as race relations.

I was going to say take it from someone who's lived there, namely me, that you're completely wrong - but Lyoin beat me to it.

[Spazz]

Well, we all know about the slavery issue, and segregation, but that's no longer an issue obviously

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How long ago were nigs given Equell rights? Theres a lotta dudes still alive from that time when they were not so equell and i bet its still a fucking issue to them.

[Lyion]

Well, we all know about the slavery issue, and segregation, but that's no longer an issue obviously

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How long ago were nigs given Equell rights? Theres a lotta dudes still alive from that time when they were not so equell and i bet its still a fucking issue to them.

What does your point have to do with Slavery or Segregation, Spazz?

There are a lot of programs and things for Black people. What more would you suggest? Many, myself included, believe the current attitude and allowance of the urban culture is the greatest threat to most blacks. They've escaped segregation and slavery to self segregate and self enslave themselves.

[Diekan]

Well, we all know about the slavery issue, and segregation, but that's no longer an issue obviously

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How long ago were nigs given Equell rights? Theres a lotta dudes still alive from that time when they were not so equell and i bet its still a fucking issue to them.

The people who were alive during the 60's aren't the ones raising hell and causing the problems. It's the young "gimme because you owe my grand dad" attitudes that's causing the problem.

A black person saying "whity owes me" is no different than a white person saying all blacks are criminals. Sorry, but I wasn't in on that whole civil rights thing any more than some black kid who happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong is a guilty of something he didn't do just because he's black.

There's a really good clip of Chris Rock going off about the difference between black people and niggers - but since Dump.com's search engine is fucking worthless - they all should die in car accidents for pissing me off - I can't find it right now.

Anyway, black America has pretty everything they could want, many just don't want to go after it. They need to drop this "yo I gotsta sell da rock to git paid" attitudes and actually TRY to make something of their lives.

[Spazz]

I was just thinking that perhaps parents passed spite on to children. Its prolly kinda hard to forget and forgive firehoses no rights and THE KLAN.

If your talking about things that might help black people I have a few suggestions . Tthe first thing we could do would be to end the war on drugs. Take away the ability for everysmall time nig to think hes al capone. Then perhaps we could stop shipping every low education job overseas so that maybe there would be some places to work that could pay the bills ya know in a legal way.

As far as to why we still probibly need afirmitive actionIf there are folks alive who remember the KLAN days and they passed that down to the kids what makes you think all those racists didnt pass theirs down as well. Sorry guys i just dont buy the line of thinking that everything is A ok with race relations in america.

[Jay]

Black people have equal or more opportunities as white folk because of governement mandated programs that are made to help them? Oh please. Ghetto's exist because of the lack of opportunity blacks have at their disposal. Here's a question for you. How does a black kid get a decent education when decent teachers refuse to teach in their neighborhoods? It's true there are opportunies for blacks out there, but not in the areas where black people are densely populated. Tyrone in suburbs though? He's got just as good a chance as anyone else.

[Diekan]

Black people have equal or more opportunities as white folk because of governement mandated programs that are made to help them? Oh please. Ghetto's exist because of the lack of opportunity blacks have at their disposal. Here's a question for you. How does a black kid get a decent education when decent teachers refuse to teach in their neighborhoods? It's true there are opportunies for blacks out there, but not in the areas where black people are densely populated. Tyrone in suburbs though? He's got just as good a chance as anyone else.

The black kid isn't getting a decent education because of his peers. You can't fault the teachers for not wanting to teach in a war zone. Would YOU want to work at a place where drugs are being sold in plain sight in the hall ways, where your would be coworkers have been thrown out windows, raped, shot at, or murdered?

I'm sick of hearing about the oh so poor black folks in the ghetto who have no oppertunity. It's bullshit. THEY are the ones that have turned da hood in a crime ridden septic tank - not whity. If a kid in da hood wants to get an education and make something of himself, he's automatically labeled a sell out and cast aside as an Uncle Tom... fuck em... they've been given every oppertunity to progress, gone above and beyond what's expected (United Negro College Funds, etc and etc and etc) and STILL they CHOOSE to live like fucking savages, murdering, raping, stealing from each other -- then sitting back and saying... Ohhh wooo is me... poooor me.... the white man is keeping me down!

Seriously, fuck 'em. They don't want to do anything about their situation - let them rot. I'm so sick and tired of all this Katrina bullshit too. There were TONS of other areas that were just as badly damaged, but because the bulk of the drama (NO) happened to be made up of black people - we have to listen to that shit over and over and over and over. All those cities that opened their arms to those left behind are now SCREAMING to get rid of them because their crime rates have ROCKETED. Yeah, that's WHITEEEEEEYYYYYYSSSS fault. Some of that human trash has been living off FEMA for a FUCKING YEAR and are STILL COMPLAINING about not having enough.

I am sick and tired of blacks bitching and whining about everything under the sun and blame some evil white conspiracy for all their ills. And, if that makes me racist -- fuck it pass me the white hood and hand me a cross to burn.... because I am sick of it.

[Jay]

Black people have equal or more opportunities as white folk because of governement mandated programs that are made to help them? Oh please. Ghetto's exist because of the lack of opportunity blacks have at their disposal. Here's a question for you. How does a black kid get a decent education when decent teachers refuse to teach in their neighborhoods? It's true there are opportunies for blacks out there, but not in the areas where black people are densely populated. Tyrone in suburbs though? He's got just as good a chance as anyone else.

The black kid isn't getting a decent education because of his peers. You can't fault the teachers for not wanting to teach in a war zone. Would YOU want to work at a place where drugs are being sold in plain sight in the hall ways, where your would be coworkers have been thrown out windows, raped, shot at, or murdered?

I'm sick of hearing about the oh so poor black folks in the ghetto who have no oppertunity. It's bullshit. THEY are the ones that have turned da hood in a crime ridden septic tank - not whity. If a kid in da hood wants to get an education and make something of himself, he's automatically labeled a sell out and cast aside as an Uncle Tom... fuck em... they've been given every oppertunity to progress, gone above and beyond what's expected (United Negro College Funds, etc and etc and etc) and STILL they CHOOSE to live like fucking savages, murdering, raping, stealing from each other -- then sitting back and saying... Ohhh wooo is me... poooor me.... the white man is keeping me down!

Seriously, fuck 'em. They don't want to do anything about their situation - let them rot. I'm so sick and tired of all this Katrina bullshit too. There were TONS of other areas that were just as badly damaged, but because the bulk of the drama (NO) happened to be made up of black people - we have to listen to that shit over and over and over and over. All those cities that opened their arms to those left behind are now SCREAMING to get rid of them because their crime rates have ROCKETED. Yeah, that's WHITEEEEEEYYYYYYSSSS fault. Some of that human trash has been living off FEMA for a FUCKING YEAR and are STILL COMPLAINING about not having enough.

I am sick and tired of blacks bitching and whining about everything under the sun and blame some evil white conspiracy for all their ills. And, if that makes me racist -- fuck it pass me the white hood and hand me a cross to burn.... because I am sick of it.

I'm not faulting teachers for anything. I wouldn't want to base my profession out of the hood either. The ghetto is created by niggers. Drug dealers, drug users, thieves etc etc. The victims of that are the people who try to struggle and live through those conditions (the few of them) legitimately. My parents for one. It's not my fault my parents were poor and lived in the ghetto. Just ended up that way. However, I suffered it with teachers as lazy as the niggers they were trying to teach and getting robbed and not feeling safe walking home etc etc. All I'm saying is that there are programs out there and all that, but not for people that were in my situation. We eventually got out of there, but it was with an equal mount of working our asses off, working the system in our favor and lots of luck. For an "unfortunate" ghetto raised kid like myself, there were plenty of programs for me to take advantage of...once I moved to the suburbs.

[Yamori]

I gotta agree, that the root of racism (towards blacks in the US) is really a cultural problem centered in poor black communities. The culture of racial division is stronger there than anywhere else, and the thug/rap culture makes it much worse.

I honestly can't blame people growing up in those environments *too* much. I'm sure growing up in the ghetto is an absolutely insane experience and must screw up your psychology big time. The fact that the majority of people living in the ghetto have no parental figures (ie jailed/no father, working/no mother) and live in an environment totally enveloped in violence doesn't help either.

I think drugs are at the root of these problems. If drugs weren't illegal, ghettos would improve almost overnight. So much of the shit that goes on there is centered around illegal drug trade. People join gangs for protection and permission to sell drugs on their 'territory'. People fight and shoot eachother over drug disputes. People rob for drugs. Parental figures go to jail for those reasons. A lot of people aren't going to get a legitimate job if they can very easily make 6x the money in 1/4th the time as they would in a shitty job. And of course, all this stuff going on makes no sane person ever want to start a business or be a teacher/ect in these areas.

Remove illegal drug trade, and there will be much less violence, much more legitimate employment, less father figures going to jail, and less risk in living in those areas.

[Spazz]

I told you guys how to make the ghetto not ghetto. Jobs and end the war on on drugs.

[Spazz]

Yea i allready mentioned that point yamori and dieken didnt want to touch it he just wanted to rant bout nigs in the hood.

[Yamori]

Yea i allready mentioned that point yamori and dieken didnt want to touch it he just wanted to rant bout nigs in the hood.

Oh, so you did.

Sorry, I must confess I don't read your posts most of the time.

[tikigod]

I am sick and tired of blacks bitching and whining about everything under the sun and blame some evil white conspiracy for all their ills..

It’s because there is one. And it’s called Wal-Mart

Okay, this is one of the things that both sides are right, there are opportunities available, but not as many as people want to believe, and people also don't try to get the opportunities like they should, because of lack of motivation, caring, or because they just are to ignorant to even know about them.

At the end of the day just blame everyone, because the majority of people probably contribute to the whole situation, even if it is so little that they hardly notice.

[Markarado]

They have to choose to want the jobs they are offered. A large portion of them would rather not get a real job.

[Lyion]

I told you guys how to make the ghetto not ghetto. Jobs and end the war on on drugs.

How will this solve the real root cause, which is the 'Black' community considering anyone who is successful a sellout and an Uncle Tom?

I'm sorry, but legalizing drugs just means that instead of sitting outside with a Colt Beer and a hidden bong, they'll have a Colt Beer and a Bong in plain site. Outside of that, nothing'll change.

Both your reasons are red herring excuses, without a lot of merit. There are jobs. Even with drug legalization, which there is zero proof will change anything, you still have the gangster mentality, prostitution, huge single parent welfare homes with their own cultural bias which prevents success.

You want to make the Ghetto into a safe and secure area, legalizing drugs has zero to do with it. You stop the political correct allowing of a black counterculture, and demand accountability and change, preferably from within the black community a la what Bill Cosby and others are trying to do. Everything else is just a bullshit enabling excuse.

[Diekan]

Black people have equal or more opportunities as white folk because of governement mandated programs that are made to help them? Oh please. Ghetto's exist because of the lack of opportunity blacks have at their disposal. Here's a question for you. How does a black kid get a decent education when decent teachers refuse to teach in their neighborhoods? It's true there are opportunies for blacks out there, but not in the areas where black people are densely populated. Tyrone in suburbs though? He's got just as good a chance as anyone else.

The black kid isn't getting a decent education because of his peers. You can't fault the teachers for not wanting to teach in a war zone. Would YOU want to work at a place where drugs are being sold in plain sight in the hall ways, where your would be coworkers have been thrown out windows, raped, shot at, or murdered?

I'm sick of hearing about the oh so poor black folks in the ghetto who have no oppertunity. It's bullshit. THEY are the ones that have turned da hood in a crime ridden septic tank - not whity. If a kid in da hood wants to get an education and make something of himself, he's automatically labeled a sell out and cast aside as an Uncle Tom... fuck em... they've been given every oppertunity to progress, gone above and beyond what's expected (United Negro College Funds, etc and etc and etc) and STILL they CHOOSE to live like fucking savages, murdering, raping, stealing from each other -- then sitting back and saying... Ohhh wooo is me... poooor me.... the white man is keeping me down!

Seriously, fuck 'em. They don't want to do anything about their situation - let them rot. I'm so sick and tired of all this Katrina bullshit too. There were TONS of other areas that were just as badly damaged, but because the bulk of the drama (NO) happened to be made up of black people - we have to listen to that shit over and over and over and over. All those cities that opened their arms to those left behind are now SCREAMING to get rid of them because their crime rates have ROCKETED. Yeah, that's WHITEEEEEEYYYYYYSSSS fault. Some of that human trash has been living off FEMA for a FUCKING YEAR and are STILL COMPLAINING about not having enough.

I am sick and tired of blacks bitching and whining about everything under the sun and blame some evil white conspiracy for all their ills. And, if that makes me racist -- fuck it pass me the white hood and hand me a cross to burn.... because I am sick of it.

I'm not faulting teachers for anything. I wouldn't want to base my profession out of the hood either. The ghetto is created by niggers. Drug dealers, drug users, thieves etc etc. The victims of that are the people who try to struggle and live through those conditions (the few of them) legitimately. My parents for one. It's not my fault my parents were poor and lived in the ghetto. Just ended up that way. However, I suffered it with teachers as lazy as the niggers they were trying to teach and getting robbed and not feeling safe walking home etc etc. All I'm saying is that there are programs out there and all that, but not for people that were in my situation. We eventually got out of there, but it was with an equal mount of working our asses off, working the system in our favor and lots of luck. For an "unfortunate" ghetto raised kid like myself, there were plenty of programs for me to take advantage of...once I moved to the suburbs.

You're right, Jay there are good people in the ghetto... good pepople that want nothing more than to get out and make something of themselves and their lives.

However, as you pointed out - you yourself make a good example that you can make it out. I also grew up under similar conditions and I made it out. People make it out all the time and move on to bigger and better things. There are schools in the ghetto, but if the students are unwilling to take advantage of the education offered them, what are the rest of us supposed to do?

Look, there are countless "white hoods" (trailer parks) that are in the same situation. Their kids want nothing to do with education, or moving up in the world either. All they want to do is smoke meth, drink Bud, watch WWF and grow up to beat their fat wives. The difference is, they're not out screaming and kicking about the white man is keeping them down. The ghetto has a lot of programs that people can take advantage of. Community centers, community colleges within a bus ride, rehab centers... and so on. You can't hold the rest of us (and I'm not saying you are) responsible because those living in those conditions refuse to take advantage of them.

Yes, I know it's hard - I've done it and you've done it, so we both know it isn't easy. But, it can be done.

Again, you're right - there are many good people in the hood. And, yes, itr is the thugs and drug dealers that are causing the problems. But, the good people DO have the power to clean up their areas. Instead of stone walling the police, they could be more helpful in getting the trash off the streats. Instead of letting their area go to shit they could chip in and help keep the paint up, so to speak.

There are people trying to make a difference... Bill Cosby is a prime example. But what happens when people like Cosby speak out and offer suggestions? They get blasted for selling out. Meanwhile, jackasses like Negan (however it's spelled) get voted back into office for wanting to turn a city into chocolateville.

[Gargamellow]

It is called insitutional racism. It is part of the US. Maybe someday it won't be. But for now, it is.

Ya, I don't like it either.