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[Spazz]

Sorry lyion it is prohibition and thats not bs. All the warzone is over turf and drug money. Too many people are in jail away from they family cause of prohibition. I dont think its a 100% fix but i think it owuld make improvements the miniute we tried a new policy. The culture you say is the root of the problem is but a symptom caused by policies that turn young blacks into gangstaz. h you guys nigs annoy the shit out of me but theres a reason its so bad down town and im just trying to say its fixable . The stereotypes and blind hate being thrown around in here is saddening

[Jay]

Black people have equal or more opportunities as white folk because of governement mandated programs that are made to help them? Oh please. Ghetto's exist because of the lack of opportunity blacks have at their disposal. Here's a question for you. How does a black kid get a decent education when decent teachers refuse to teach in their neighborhoods? It's true there are opportunies for blacks out there, but not in the areas where black people are densely populated. Tyrone in suburbs though? He's got just as good a chance as anyone else.

The black kid isn't getting a decent education because of his peers. You can't fault the teachers for not wanting to teach in a war zone. Would YOU want to work at a place where drugs are being sold in plain sight in the hall ways, where your would be coworkers have been thrown out windows, raped, shot at, or murdered?

I'm sick of hearing about the oh so poor black folks in the ghetto who have no oppertunity. It's bullshit. THEY are the ones that have turned da hood in a crime ridden septic tank - not whity. If a kid in da hood wants to get an education and make something of himself, he's automatically labeled a sell out and cast aside as an Uncle Tom... fuck em... they've been given every oppertunity to progress, gone above and beyond what's expected (United Negro College Funds, etc and etc and etc) and STILL they CHOOSE to live like fucking savages, murdering, raping, stealing from each other -- then sitting back and saying... Ohhh wooo is me... poooor me.... the white man is keeping me down!

Seriously, fuck 'em. They don't want to do anything about their situation - let them rot. I'm so sick and tired of all this Katrina bullshit too. There were TONS of other areas that were just as badly damaged, but because the bulk of the drama (NO) happened to be made up of black people - we have to listen to that shit over and over and over and over. All those cities that opened their arms to those left behind are now SCREAMING to get rid of them because their crime rates have ROCKETED. Yeah, that's WHITEEEEEEYYYYYYSSSS fault. Some of that human trash has been living off FEMA for a FUCKING YEAR and are STILL COMPLAINING about not having enough.

I am sick and tired of blacks bitching and whining about everything under the sun and blame some evil white conspiracy for all their ills. And, if that makes me racist -- fuck it pass me the white hood and hand me a cross to burn.... because I am sick of it.

I'm not faulting teachers for anything. I wouldn't want to base my profession out of the hood either. The ghetto is created by niggers. Drug dealers, drug users, thieves etc etc. The victims of that are the people who try to struggle and live through those conditions (the few of them) legitimately. My parents for one. It's not my fault my parents were poor and lived in the ghetto. Just ended up that way. However, I suffered it with teachers as lazy as the niggers they were trying to teach and getting robbed and not feeling safe walking home etc etc. All I'm saying is that there are programs out there and all that, but not for people that were in my situation. We eventually got out of there, but it was with an equal mount of working our asses off, working the system in our favor and lots of luck. For an "unfortunate" ghetto raised kid like myself, there were plenty of programs for me to take advantage of...once I moved to the suburbs.

You're right, Jay there are good people in the ghetto... good pepople that want nothing more than to get out and make something of themselves and their lives.

However, as you pointed out - you yourself make a good example that you can make it out. I also grew up under similar conditions and I made it out. People make it out all the time and move on to bigger and better things. There are schools in the ghetto, but if the students are unwilling to take advantage of the education offered them, what are the rest of us supposed to do?

Look, there are countless "white hoods" (trailer parks) that are in the same situation. Their kids want nothing to do with education, or moving up in the world either. All they want to do is smoke meth, drink Bud, watch WWF and grow up to beat their fat wives. The difference is, they're not out screaming and kicking about the white man is keeping them down. The ghetto has a lot of programs that people can take advantage of. Community centers, community colleges within a bus ride, rehab centers... and so on. You can't hold the rest of us (and I'm not saying you are) responsible because those living in those conditions refuse to take advantage of them.

Yes, I know it's hard - I've done it and you've done it, so we both know it isn't easy. But, it can be done.

Again, you're right - there are many good people in the hood. And, yes, itr is the thugs and drug dealers that are causing the problems. But, the good people DO have the power to clean up their areas. Instead of stone walling the police, they could be more helpful in getting the trash off the streats. Instead of letting their area go to shit they could chip in and help keep the paint up, so to speak.

There are people trying to make a difference... Bill Cosby is a prime example. But what happens when people like Cosby speak out and offer suggestions? They get blasted for selling out. Meanwhile, jackasses like Negan (however it's spelled) get voted back into office for wanting to turn a city into chocolateville.

See the problem with that is that community centers involve the first half of that, community. What do you do when you are one of few decent people in your area and everyone else is a bottom feeding troglodyte who wants to rob you soon as you step foot out of your house? In my old neighborhood of West Oakland, we had a halfway house. It closed down because it got robbed. We had extra curricular school activities. Those got shut down because people were afraid to run them in that neighborhood. Parents have to work to make rent. So pretty much I'm at home playing Super Nintendo (until that got stolen). Get out there and make a difference is easy to say, but when everyone else around you is ok with hustling and slangin dope for a living what difference can you really make other than getting your as outta there?

[Lyion]

Sorry lyion it is prohibition and thats not bs. All the warzone is over turf and drug money. Too many people are in jail away from they family cause of prohibition. I dont think its a 100% fix but i think it owuld make improvements the miniute we tried a new policy. The culture you say is the root of the problem is but a symptom caused by policies that turn young blacks into gangstaz. h you guys nigs annoy the shit out of me but theres a reason its so bad down town and im just trying to say its fixable . The stereotypes and blind hate being thrown around in here is saddening

Did the mafia and other criminal groups go away when alcohol was legalized?

I don't believe drug legalization will do anything, except contribute to more people being dirt poor with another legal excuse not to work and to blame 'The Man'.

Legalizing drugs does NOTHING to address the counterculture issues faced in urban America. If anything, it'd make the situation worse since people who can't control themselves with illegal substances, certainly won't be able to do so if the same things are legal. There will always be illegal things and giving or taking away is irrelevent and again a red herring argument.

The fix is simple. Stop the political correct bullshit. Demand mainstreaming and do not allow for ebonics, preferential treatment, piss poor education,and make those areas safe with more cops and fair enforcement of the law.

Poor migrants from Asia can come here with nothing and succeed and own their own business'. Yet we are to believe a group with billions in funding, a ridiculous amount of free aid, free college, and every opportunity to succeed isn't given a fair shake? Sadly, the reverse is true.

Sadly, the 'racist' europeans have the right idea, if the wrong approach. Demand immersion and do not differentiate. People like you do nothing but enable the ghetto's to continue to exist and provide excuses for losers.

[Tossica]

You are so full of shit Lyion. Your answer is to force black people to be white? Yeah, that'll work.

[Narrock]

Sorry lyion it is prohibition and thats not bs. All the warzone is over turf and drug money. Too many people are in jail away from they family cause of prohibition. I dont think its a 100% fix but i think it owuld make improvements the miniute we tried a new policy. The culture you say is the root of the problem is but a symptom caused by policies that turn young blacks into gangstaz. h you guys nigs annoy the shit out of me but theres a reason its so bad down town and im just trying to say its fixable . The stereotypes and blind hate being thrown around in here is saddening

Did the mafia and other criminal groups go away when alcohol was legalized?

I don't believe drug legalization will do anything, except contribute to more people being dirt poor with another legal excuse not to work and to blame 'The Man'.

Legalizing drugs does NOTHING to address the counterculture issues faced in urban America. If anything, it'd make the situation worse since people who can't control themselves with illegal substances, certainly won't be able to do so if the same things are legal. There will always be illegal things and giving or taking away is irrelevent and again a red herring argument.

The fix is simple. Stop the political correct bullshit. Demand mainstreaming and do not allow for ebonics, preferential treatment, piss poor education,and make those areas safe with more cops and fair enforcement of the law.

Poor migrants from Asia can come here with nothing and succeed and own their own business'. Yet we are to believe a group with billions in funding, a ridiculous amount of free aid, free college, and every opportunity to succeed isn't given a fair shake? Sadly, the reverse is true.

Sadly, the 'racist' europeans have the right idea, if the wrong approach. Demand immersion and do not differentiate. People like you do nothing but enable the ghetto's to continue to exist and provide excuses for losers.

That actually makes a hell of a lot of sense, and is the most well-thought-out post I've seen from Lyion in a long time.

[Lyion]

Toss, aren't you the one who promotes the Euro enlightenment. Guess how thats achieved? One standard for all, and yep the Blacks in the UK are Brits first. Ditto for France. There is no accepted counterculture.

Either we're all an American equal, or we're not. That's what I want. It sounds like you want a double standard that enables losers. Sorry, that's the real crime here and will do nothing but prop up urban ghettos because of a ridiculous double standard, and people that don't get equality is equality.

[Spazz]

When booze became legal again they had drugs and prostitution to turn to .....

[Minrott]

Teddy Roosevelt once said something to the effect of, "If you're going to be an American, be an American first."

Any sub-culture given something for nothing is bound to self destruct. Point in fact, look at any indian tribe with casinos. The ones who give 'per-cap' checks to each tribe member off the casino profits are perfect examples of how to destroy your people by spoiling them.

[Tossica]

I don't disagree with that Minrott. What I disagree with is that "whitey" has the "formula" down pat and if every American just looked and acted like Lyion then the country would be utopian as his "simple" plan suggests.

[Harrison]

What does being white have to do with this?

I don't even think he IMPLIED what bullshit is falling from your lip.

[Zanchief]

No, their biggest enemies are ignorant racists like yourself

Man this guy got you pegged.

[Lyion]

I don't disagree with that Minrott. What I disagree with is that "whitey" has the "formula" down pat and if every American just looked and acted like Lyion then the country would be utopian as his "simple" plan suggests.

Just like all the successful Vietnamese, Hindi, Chinese, Mexican, and real African immigrants look and act like whitey.

Get real.

How about some real solutions, versus just being mad at 'The Man'?

Dropping out of school, being a criminal, being mad at successful blacks, and ebonics may be 'being black', but its not a real culture, just an avenue for enabling further generations to fail because of lack of accountability. Those who do succeed are branded Uncle Tom's by the real racists out there, the people who want a double standard because they don't get it.

Are the blacks in France and the UK any less black because they accept that countries culture, don't have a counterculture, and can speak, read, write, and succeed without 'urban' issues?

[Zanchief]

I don't disagree with that Minrott. What I disagree with is that "whitey" has the "formula" down pat and if every American just looked and acted like Lyion then the country would be utopian as his "simple" plan suggests.

Just like all the successful Vietnamese, Hindi, Chinese, Mexican, and real African immigrants look and act like whitey.

Get real.

How about some real solutions, versus just being mad at 'The Man'?

Dropping out of school, being a criminal, being mad at successful blacks, and ebonics may be 'being black', but its not a real culture, just an avenue for enabling further generations to fail because of lack of accountability. Those who do succeed are branded Uncle Tom's by the real racists out there, the people who want a double standard because they don't get it.

Are the blacks in France and the UK any less black because they accept that countries culture, don't have a counterculture, and can speak, read, write, and succeed without 'urban' issues?

In Canada we have a lot of black immigrants from Somalia and other places in Africa and it really doesn't matter if they drop their culture for Canadian culture, as long as they work and contribute. One really has nothing to do with the other.

[Lyion]

You completely missed my point. How would you address this, Zan?

Dropping out of school, being a criminal, being mad at successful blacks, and ebonics may be 'being black', but its not a real culture, just an avenue for enabling further generations to fail because of lack of accountability. Those who do succeed are branded Uncle Tom's by the real racists out there, the people who want a double standard because they don't get it.

Also, culture is a good thing. America will always be a melting pot.

Just like all the successful Vietnamese, Hindi, Chinese, Mexican, and real African immigrants look and act like whitey.

Unfortunately, this has nothing to do with the enabling counterculture that permeates in the ghettoes and has nothing to do with 'real culture'.

[Zanchief]

You completely missed my point.

No, I got your point. You think black culture is useless because it's nothing more than gansta's, ebonics and violence. The same could be said about the white trash ghettos, and they're inbred southern drawl and they're hillbilly trailer park crime. I guess once those folk stop watching nascar, buy a home that doesn't have wheels on it and get themselves a job, white people could really take off.

Black culture isn't the problem. Its poverty, and the way you guys treat the poor and destitute.

[Lyion]

Funny, I don't remember vapid generalizations. I guess it's that way when you look at another countries problems without seeing them firsthand.

I agree that poverty is a problem and there's vast room for improvement, but what would be your answer to the inner cities and heavily urban black area's that we spend billions and billions in and yet they stay in vicious cycles of welfare families, heavy crime rates, poor education despite 10 times the funding, and especially the reverse Uncle Tom racism that permeates?That isn't culture.

Funny, were you for allowing the Muslims up there to have Sharia based regions within Canada? After all, it's just your Canadian racism that is holding the poor Islamic area's from being free and cultural.

And yes, you still completely miss my point. Go live in downtown Detroit for a year, with your peeps. The view is a tad different when you see it firsthand.

[Zanchief]

Funny, I don't remember vapid generalizations.

I do.

Dropping out of school, being a criminal, being mad at successful blacks, and ebonics may be 'being black', but its not a real culture

You keep going on about "uncle tom's", its natural jealousy, no different than you would find in any culture. I haven't missed your point at all, Lyion. The solution to black poverty is no different than the solution to poverty. One that isn't going to be solved on this message board today. Instead of berating a culture for living in the ghetto you should feel for them. It's not easy breaking the cycle of poverty with the way tuition is in the US. Sure, if you work extra hard it's possible, and every day people do it. But the vast majority can't. Just like I don't have first hand experience with the Detroit ghettos, neither do you. You may have driven across one, or seen Boys in the Hood, but you haven't lived there. You didn't have to grow up there and work your way out. It's pretty easy to chastise an entire community, talking about the benefits they get, when you never really had to worry about any of that.

I'll sum up in one, easy to quote, line for you, Lyion. The black cultural issues you're so concerned with don't exist. It's all black poverty issues.

[Zanchief]

Funny, were you for allowing the Muslims up there to have Sharia based regions within Canada? After all, it's just your Canadian racism that is holding the poor Islamic area's from being free and cultural.

You're reaching, cool guy.

[Lyion]

You keep going on about "uncle tom's", its natural jealousy, no different than you would find in any culture. I haven't missed your point at all, Lyion. The solution to black poverty is no different than the solution to poverty. One that isn't going to be solved on this message board today. Instead of berating a culture for living in the ghetto you should feel for them. It's not easy breaking the cycle of poverty with the way tuition is in the US. Sure, if you work extra hard it's possible, and every day people do it. But the vast majority can't. Just like I don't have first hand experience with the Detroit ghettos, neither do you. You may have driven across one, or seen Boys in the Hood, but you haven't lived there. You didn't have to grow up there and work your way out. It's pretty easy to chastise an entire community, talking about the benefits they get, when you never really had to worry about any of that.

I'll sum up in one, easy to quote, line for you, Lyion. The black cultural issues you're so concerned with don't exist. It's all black poverty issues.

I've lived in the inner city in the US. Again, you are discussing an American problem from a foreign standpoint as someone who doesn't get it, and tries to equate urban issues here with African Migrants in Canada. That's comical it's so far off from equivocation. Feel free to ask some of the people with completely polar political views from mine who live here if they agree with you.

Poor people pay no college tuition in the US. Poor people get free health care and have a better standard of living than the lower class. I'd wager many of our inner city people have a much better quality of life than you. That's not fair, though since you aren't in the U.S.

It's easy to say it's black poverty when you don't understand the issues, and have never seen them. [url=http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/billcosbypoundcakespeech.htm]I'll trust people who understand the issue over a foreigner, though.
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[Zanchief]

Typical Lyion, he doesn't like what he hears he finds a reason to invalidate the opinion without giving it any serious thought.

Poor people don't pay any tuition because they can't afford it so they can't go. That doesn't really count.

I didn't compare urban issues with migrant Africans, I compared cultural issues with both, but I guess your right, it's hard to compare such issues between Canada and the US since we've taken sizable steps in solving those problems and you haven't, so we really don't know what we're talking about~

[Lyion]

Ironically, if you offer 10 immigrants the opportunity to go to the US or Canada, 8 would come here. That speaks volumes more about a basis of comparison.

Er, since poor people get free college saying they can't afford to go, when it's free is kind of a reach, even with your bizarre logic. That encompasses everything.

Read the Cosby article, it addresses the issues and points some make. Not that you'll want to hear it, in your wannabe Wigger world, even though you've probably never seen an inner city black.

[Zanchief]

A few corrections
I'm not a "wigger"
I've read the Cosby article, although I don't know how objective a person can be when his child was murdered by a black dude.
I've seen "an inner city black".
You don't know what irony means.
Poor people don't get free tuition. That was just an outright lie.

[Zanchief]

Ironically, if you offer 10 immigrants the opportunity to go to the US or Canada, 8 would come here. That speaks volumes more about a basis of comparison.

You made it pretty clear we aren't talking about immigrants.

[Lyion]

A black extra filming 'Queer as folk' in Toronto does not constitute you actually meeting an inner city brother, sorry.

[Zanchief]

Some people actually travel, Lyion.