Great Parents @@

[Ginzburgh]

White power!

[Tikker]

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ps Why in the fuck do Canadiens always act like they know everything about the US. Shut the fuck up and stay in your country Zan.

it's because we're constantly inundated by US media

that and unlike most americans, we learn about countries other than our own

[Harrison]

You're not fucking black Zanchief, and you never will be.

I could sit in my house for two months straight without ever leaving, and see more black people than you.

[Zanchief]

Who says I want to be black?

But for your second assumption, I bet I actually see more black people in my every day business than you do, let alone if you sit in your house (mothers) for two straight months. I wouldn't recommend it though, cause then you might lose your job...

[Spazz]

Not that your not right about racism zanchief but can you just admit that you dont have niaggaz in canada .

[Zanchief]

I live and work about 10 minutes walk from a pretty cruddy neighbourhood that's full of 'black' (suck it Harry) people. It's a community of about a few hundred, maybe more. It's a good place to play ball. Where ever you guys got this idea that there are no black people in Canada is just plain false. The epidemic of ghettos and such isn't as bad here, but you can blame your government for that. (Tangent INC!)

[Guntaag Gorefeast]

Who can i blame for you? ;P


black people,obv~

[Harrison]

Yeah, blame our government for the niggers in projects selling drugs, murdering, raping, etc., that's a mighty good plan to deflect responsibility.

How about some responsibility for being a worthless piece of shit?

[Arlos]

We CAN blame the government for drugs being illegal, however. Alcohol was made illegal, and criminal gangs and organizations arose to supply the still existant demand, and profits for sale went through the roof. The fact that drugs are illegal makes profits for sale of same VERY high, and thus an attractive monehy making opportunity for people who have nothing to begin with. Were drugs legal, such profitable crime would no longer be an option.

Hell, it wouldn't surprise me if the drug cartels are some of the biggest supporters of the "tough on drugs" agenda, as it keeps their prices artificially high. You know what the profit margin is on cocaine for the cartels? 15,000%. No amount of law enforcement in the world is going to stop the sale of anything with that amount of profit potential. If it were legal, the cartels would go out of business the next day.

-Arlos

[Tikker]

We CAN blame the government for drugs being illegal, however. Alcohol was made illegal, and criminal gangs and organizations arose to supply the still existant demand, and profits for sale went through the roof. The fact that drugs are illegal makes profits for sale of same VERY high, and thus an attractive monehy making opportunity for people who have nothing to begin with. Were drugs legal, such profitable crime would no longer be an option.

Hell, it wouldn't surprise me if the drug cartels are some of the biggest supporters of the "tough on drugs" agenda, as it keeps their prices artificially high. You know what the profit margin is on cocaine for the cartels? 15,000%. No amount of law enforcement in the world is going to stop the sale of anything with that amount of profit potential. If it were legal, the cartels would go out of business the next day.

-Arlos

i'm actually all for legalizing drugs and prostitution

then eliminate personal income tax

change it to a simple sales tax

boom, government issuing everyone solid gold rolls royce's within 2 years

[Harrison]

I can see what you mean Arlos. That however doesn't change the fact that inner city ghettos are shitholes as a result of the population there perpetuating itself.

Legalize all drugs and regulate it hardcore, tax the fucking shit out of it.

I can see a major problem initially with addicts as a result of the transition from illegal to cheap and legal. I don't think Americans are ready for it personally.

[Arlos]

Sure, there's blacks in ghettos that self-perpetuate the culture that leads to many of them being complete shitholes. There are, however, people who DON'T, but have real trouble getting out due to attitudes like some here have displayed: the automatic assumption that because someone is black and from one of those locations, they MUST be like those who perpetuate the cycle, and thus are never given the chance to prove otherwise. That's racism, and it is indeed endemic.

Meanwhile, there are redneck white trailer trash communities that could be argued are nearly as bad, or just as bad in some cases, with an endless cycle of poverty and petty crime. Different culture, different drugs, same problems. Yet frequently people from THOSE communities will find it easier to "get out" simply because the outside perception of them will be different, if only because they happen to be white, and not black.

Me, I blame BOTH groups, black and white, who would perpetuate self-destructive cultures. But at the same time, I'd give equal opportunity to ANYONE who is making a sincere effort to get out fo that cycle, regardless of where they come from, what their background environment was, or what race they may be.

Oh, and as for addicts once drugs become legal, yes, I think there will be some issues. Methinks the 200 billion a year we save by no longer conducting the "war on drugs" will easily be enough to pay for dealing with it. This is especially true when you factor in the studies that show that if you really want to control drug use, money spent on education and treatment is 10x as effective, dollar for dollar, than what is currently spent on enforcement.

-Arlos

[Guntaag Gorefeast]

We'd be able to redistribute a lot of law enforcement officers / infrastructure as well

[Ginzburgh]

i'm actually all for legalizing drugs and prostitution

It's always been a dream of mine to open a brothel. If they legalized prostitution I'd be at the bank the next day applying for a loan.

[Tikker]

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I can see a major problem initially with addicts as a result of the transition from illegal to cheap and legal. I don't think Americans are ready for it personally.

you're missing the point

that would be the best way to cleanse the population

[Ginzburgh]

Right and that would have no effect on the normal population when 10 times as many drug addicts run out of money and start freaking out.

[Arlos]

Then those people would go to jail. Jail cells which, coincidentally enough, would now be available because anyone serving time for a drug conviction would be released.

-Arlos

[Guntaag Gorefeast]

Aye, ive seen first hand people not go to jail or go to jail for shorter sentances than they deserve and the root of it is jail overcrowding. Ive seen a LOT of people go to jail on drug charges.

[Arlos]

*nod* Empty the jails of people there from drug charges, and even if there IS a massive influx of crime from people trying to feed drug addictions with robbery, etc (which I don't buy, honestly. Small rise, yeah, huge jump, no) there will be MORE than enough room to hold all of the new criminals.

I have no problem with people who comitted violent crimes or crimes against person or property going to jail for a long time, so if people DO behave that way, then by all means, throw the book at them.

Even with that potential rise, though, I'd be willing to bet there would be prison closures, due to there being not enough inmates to fill them.

-Arlos

[Ginzburgh]

Then those people would go to jail. Jail cells which, coincidentally enough, would now be available because anyone serving time for a drug conviction would be released.

Which absolutely does not justify the fact that more innocent people will suffer at the hands of a desperate junkie.

Maybe I am biased here. I watched a totally normal, good spirited kid turn into a monster because of drugs. He was my roommate, started snorting opiates, after awhile he was finding it more and more difficult to "get off" so his abuse evolved into injection. Two months later he was in rehab, out of my apartment and owing me $1,300. That was six months ago.

One week ago he somehow fuckin acquired hundreds of dollars in counterfeit $20 bills, stole a car, drove to the projects, purchased as much drugs as he could (with the counterfeit money), started driving home when a cop identified the car he was in as being stolen. He was pulled over and caught driving a stolen car with a shit ton of heroin and whatever was left of the counterfeit $20 bills. No one bailed him out of jail because his parents have a restraining order against him and every drug dealer in the projects are calling his friends looking for him because they are going to kill him for beating them out of their drugs with counterfeit money.

Multiply the worst parts of that story by 100 if drugs were to becomes legal.
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[Zanchief]

No because no drug dealers would be after. So in reality the situation would be much better.

[Guntaag Gorefeast]

Alot of folks ive known over the years are on that path Ginz,its really not fun to watch =/

[Ginzburgh]

No because no drug dealers would be after. So in reality the situation would be much better.

Dude, it's not about the drug dealers, it's a story about desperation. Desperation leads to hurting innocent people for their money so drug addicts can buy more drugs. If drugs were available everywhere, there would be a lot more addicts. Take a look how much money alcohol and tobacco make and how many people both involved and not involved die every year because of those industries. You want to throw highly addictive drugs like cocaine and heroin into the mix? lol.

[Zanchief]

Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.

[Narrock]

Right and that would have no effect on the normal population when 10 times as many drug addicts run out of money and start freaking out.

Crime would increase to support their habits (home burglaries, robberies, etc.) if drugs were legalized.