Is the gain of knowledge worth the risk?

Harrison · Post by **Harrison** » Sun Oct 08, 2006 9:22 am

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/topic/story.c ... d=10400645

Scientists aim to reproduce miniature versions of the so-called Big Bang, which is thought to have started the universe.

Dr Cox dismissed worries that by adventuring into the unknown and creating tiny black holes, the machine could even destroy the planet.

"The probability is at the level of 10 to the minus 40," he said.

:ugh:

I don't think ANY probability is worth finding out some inane bullshit about another possible dimension.

Lionking · Post by **Lionking** » Sun Oct 08, 2006 9:59 am

The probability of evolution is even less probable than that, but certain people believe it too. :angel:

Jay · Post by **Jay** » Sun Oct 08, 2006 12:03 pm

A dimension where asians have huge cocks @@

Post by **Arlos** » Sun Oct 08, 2006 12:34 pm

It's incredibly exciting science. It will tell us truly fundamental things about how the universe works; what the unvierse is made up of, and maybe our first glimpses into what in hell Dark Matter and Dark Energy are. Also, it will give us an idea if String theory is at all on the right track, as it is the one area of investigation in physics that answers a number of outstanding questions, but it requires at least 10 or 11 dimensions for it to be right. Til now, we've had no way to experimentally test the existance of dimensions beyond the 4th, and this gives us a way to do that.

As for the risks, bah, that risk he quotes is absolutely infinitesimal. Did you know that before they blew up the first nuclear weapon, there was a definite group of scientists who were VERY worried about the explosion causing a chain reaction igniting all of the oxygen in the earth's atmosphere in a single giant fireball, thus torching the entire planet into a cinder? The risks of that occurring were vastly many orders of magnitude greater than the risks they're quoting for the CERN experiments, and yet they went ahead with the detonation. Indeed, theh risk of any issues *IS* zero, but because he's a scientist, he can't say that, there always has to be SOME wiggle room. So, he quoted some number so close to zero as to be laughably negligbile.

As for Lionking's evolution crack, I have no clue what he means with the "odds of evolution" comment. The odds that evolution occurs is 100%, we can see that in bacteria for absolutely sure, if you're talking about scales that occur on human lifetimes. Not even the Creationis... excuse me, they changed their name, "Intelligent Design" fanatics will dispute that one.

-Arlos

araby · Post by **araby** » Sun Oct 08, 2006 12:34 pm

Scientists aim to reproduce miniature versions of the so-called Big Bang,

so is n korea wtf

mofish · Post by **mofish** » Sun Oct 08, 2006 2:25 pm

Lionking wrote:The probability of evolution is even less probable than that, but certain people believe it too.

Youre not very smart.

Jay · Post by **Jay** » Sun Oct 08, 2006 2:26 pm

You're

mofish · Post by **mofish** » Sun Oct 08, 2006 2:40 pm

Jay wrote:You're

Tikker · Post by **Tikker** » Sun Oct 08, 2006 3:24 pm

Lionking wrote:The probability of evolution is even less probable than that, but certain people believe it too.

dumbest statement ever

Tuggan · Post by **Tuggan** » Sun Oct 08, 2006 5:58 pm

i read this book, the vatican better look out.

Post by **Lueyen** » Sun Oct 08, 2006 6:48 pm

Tuggan wrote:i read this book, the vatican better look out.

Demons and Angels was better then The Davinci Code imho.

Tikker · Post by **Tikker** » Sun Oct 08, 2006 7:04 pm

Lueyen wrote:
Tuggan wrote:i read this book, the vatican better look out.

Demons and Angels was better then The Davinci Code imho.

I liked "Angels and Demons" better

DESX · Post by **DESX** » Sun Oct 08, 2006 10:03 pm

(CERN from the company that brought you the world wide web, now brings you blackholes!)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CERN

Most of the activities at CERN are currently directed towards building a new collider, the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) and the experiments for it, due to start operation in 2007. This will use the 27 km circumference circular tunnel previously occupied by LEP which was closed down in November 2000, and the PS/SPS complex to pre-accelerate protons which will be injected into it.

The tunnel is located 100 metres underground, in the region between the Geneva airport and the nearby Jura mountains. Five experiments (CMS, ATLAS, LHCb, TOTEM and ALICE) are currently being built, and will be running on the collider; each of them will study particle collisions under a different point of view, and with different technologies. Construction for these experiments needed an extraordinary engineering effort. Just as an example, to lower the pieces for the CMS experiment into the underground cavern which will host it, a special crane will have to be rented from Belgium, which will be able to lift the almost 2000 tonnes of each piece. The first of the approximately 5,000 magnets necessary for construction was lowered down a special shaft at 13:00 GMT on 7 March 2005.

This accelerator will generate vast quantities of computer data, which CERN will stream to laboratories around the world for distributed processing. In April 2005, a trial successfully streamed 600MB per second to seven different sites across the world. If all the data generated by the LHC is to be analysed, then scientists must achieve 1,800MB per second before 2007.

Post by **Lueyen** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 12:02 am

Tikker wrote:
Lueyen wrote:
Tuggan wrote:i read this book, the vatican better look out.

Demons and Angels was better then The Davinci Code imho.

I liked "Angels and Demons" better

oops ><.

DESX · Post by **DESX** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 1:55 am

I think they are downsizing the % that something might go wrong. Possible outcomes are that this might produce.....

1. A stable black hole.

2. Strangelets could form destroying normal matter.

3. Create Magnetic monopoles

4. Could trigger a transition into a false vacuum.

All of these would destroy earth in seconds.

The funny thing is that most of them are relying on the hawking radiation theory, which people are still debating about if the theory is even correct, to save us. I'll take my own % and say 50/50

Naethyn · Post by **Naethyn** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 8:07 am

Exciting age we live in.

Spazz · Post by **Spazz** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 8:33 am

What happens to all the mindias if they are able to do it and prove some sort of big bang is indeed true ???? I think due to the danger and due to the fact it could shatter a lot of minds they might wanna leave this one alone for the time being.

Gargamellow · Post by **Gargamellow** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 8:35 am

Evolution is supported by the fossil record as well as experiments.

The big bang is a hypothesis, just like God.

The probability of the "Big Bang" "theory" even being realistic? Who cares? It isn't our job to recreate another universe. And wouldn't it be funny if we blew up the Earth? Yes, of course it WOULD BE. Ahh, cruel irony. She is a fucking whore.

I say we spend our time and money searching for ways to move off this planet and onto a new one that is already in existance before the sun kills us all.

P.S. I think someone watched too many episodes of Stargate.

Evermore · Post by **Evermore** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 8:43 am

spazz wrote:What happens to all the mindias if they are able to do it and prove some sort of big bang is indeed true ???? I think due to the danger and due to the fact it could shatter a lot of minds they might wanna leave this one alone for the time being.

not sure why but this made me laugh irl

Gargamellow · Post by **Gargamellow** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 8:46 am

The use of religion comes from the base of its creation. Human beings need laws. If the people could obey laws without fear, then there wouldn't be a need for religion. Unfortunately, people who are "godless" generally have no conscience.

Spazz · Post by **Spazz** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 8:50 am

people who are "godless" generally have no conscience.

Can you back this retarded nonsense up or is that just more shit comin out your retarded mouth ?

Gargamellow · Post by **Gargamellow** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 8:53 am

Ever since you became a prick, I have wondered why I ever was cool to you to begin with.

Take some classes you fucking moron.

mofish · Post by **mofish** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 9:01 am

Gargamellow wrote:Unfortunately, people who are "godless" generally have no conscience.

Youre not very smart.

Post by **Tossica** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 9:03 am

That was a pretty stupid statement Garg. There would be no reliable way to collect data to back up the claim.

Gargamellow · Post by **Gargamellow** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 9:03 am

It would seem that I am smarter than you.