Is the gain of knowledge worth the risk?

Gargamellow · Post by **Gargamellow** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 10:31 am

"He who walks with wise grows wise."
Proverbs 4:1

Post by **Arlos** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 11:17 am

Garg, saying that people who choose not to follow a religion are therefore devoid of conscience IS pretty retarded. It follows no logical path, and indeed is nothing more than the base propaganda of the religious institutions who try and demonize anyone who doesn't follow their dogma as outsiders and evil people.

I have known any number of agnostics and athiests who were deeply conscientious people, and known any number of religous followers who were most assuredly NOT. Hell, I've known conscientious satanists.

There is *NO* link between conscience and religious, either inferential, causal, or whatever. That assertion has no basis in anything resembling fact, and nquoting religous tracts will not make it any more so. Frankly, I'm disappointed in you for not only making that assertion, but ridiculing those who would disagree with it.

-Arlos

Gargamellow · Post by **Gargamellow** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 11:21 am

generally, I am right...anbd as I said in another post, a conscience without a religious guide is harder to develop..did you read everything I posted or just what everyone else said?

.and it doesn't matter who wants to argue..I figured people were going to go nuts when I said that God is a myth...I honestly don't give a fuck. But I would rather post the facts and be hated than post a lie and run with the sheep.

Evermore · Post by **Evermore** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 11:29 am

What are your thoughts on this?

Spazz · Post by **Spazz** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 11:29 am

Thats bullshit garg. Its not religion or not its how you were brought up. I am an athiest and i consider myself for the most part to be pretty moral.

kaharthemad · Post by **kaharthemad** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 11:30 am

where are your facts to back your statements up? esp the point where you say 'Generally I am right'.

As for rreligous guide I dont think this is true at all. If this were the case people like arlos would be out in the yard with a pair of boxer shorts shooting the neighborhood dogs with a potato gun.

Gargamellow · Post by **Gargamellow** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 11:31 am

read my links

Spazz · Post by **Spazz** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 11:31 am

I think arlos has a religion hes just not very open bout it karhar. Less im trippin and that idea popped in my head outta nowhere :dunno:

Gargamellow · Post by **Gargamellow** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 11:36 am

I repeat:

And no, being overly religious does not make you smarter, college does. But yes, it gives you a conscience without question. I have a conscience which is self-made since the day my bible school teacher told me that Adam and Eve lived before the dinosaurs.

Spazz · Post by **Spazz** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 11:41 am

Your crazy i think you develop your concience how you were raised and how you wanna be treated ( less your a sociopath) Religion is an ancient crutch and i think its about time we as a people let it go

Jay · Post by **Jay** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 11:42 am

I could say something, but yall would accuse me of being in love with Gargamellow.

Gargamellow · Post by **Gargamellow** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 11:43 am

How am I crazy to state the I had to develop my own conscience?

You are the one who has been acting crazy. And frankly, I like the old Spazz.

At least we can agree on one thing.

Religion is an ancient crutch and i think its about time we as a people let it go.

Spazz · Post by **Spazz** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 11:44 am

See i can admit ill be allright when i get back on medicine why cant you do the same :wink:

Narrock · Post by **Narrock** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 11:45 am

spazz wrote:Your crazy i think you develop your concience how you were raised and how you wanna be treated ( less your a sociopath) Religion is an ancient crutch and i think its about time we as a people let it go

LMAO

Spazz · Post by **Spazz** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 11:49 am

Your proof of why people need to let it go homie . Your what i would call a religous asshole and i do beleive youw ant to impose your will and beleifs on me and everyone else who disagrees

Narrock · Post by **Narrock** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 11:55 am

spazz wrote:Your proof of why people need to let it go homie . Your what i would call a religous asshole and i do beleive youw ant to impose your will and beleifs on me and everyone else who disagrees

I don't impose my beliefs on you. I just think you're very retarded, or some wiring in your brain is frayed and corroded.

Post by **Arlos** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 11:55 am

Well, I disagree with you, Garg. Being religious is not even remotely a guarantee of having a real concience, and being irreligious is by no means a guarantee that you will lack one.

BTW, Kahar, Spazz is right in one thing; I am most assuredly NOT an athiest or an agnostic. As I've said a few times, I'm Pagan, I just don't choose to discuss it very often, especially as the last time I did so, it took literally less than 60 seconds for one of the resident peanut gallery to post their first derogatory and insulting post about it.

I don't believe in Christianity, and I will *NEVER* support anyone injecting their religious beliefs into politics, not even other pagans, but at the same time, I am by no means anti-faith. Anti-dogma, maybe, as I believe everyone should learn to think for themselves, and not to blindly accept pre-digested stuff fed to you by a heirarchy, when it comes to something as personally meaningful as Faith.

-Arlos

Narrock · Post by **Narrock** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 11:58 am

arlos wrote:Well, I disagree with you, Garg. Being religious is not even remotely a guarantee of having a real concience, and being irreligious is by no means a guarantee that you will lack one.

BTW, Kahar, Spazz is right in one thing; I am most assuredly NOT an athiest or an agnostic. As I've said a few times, I'm Pagan, I just don't choose to discuss it very often, especially as the last time I did so, it took literally less than 60 seconds for one of the resident peanut gallery to post their first derogatory and insulting post about it.

I don't believe in Christianity, and I will *NEVER* support anyone injecting their religious beliefs into politics, not even other pagans, but at the same time, I am by no means anti-faith. Anti-dogma, maybe, as I believe everyone should learn to think for themselves, and not to blindly accept pre-digested stuff fed to you by a heirarchy, when it comes to something as personally meaningful as Faith.

-Arlos

Reading and studying the bible is not "blindly accepting pre-digested stuff." If you think that way about the bible, then you might as well think that way about all other books.

Post by **Arlos** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 12:01 pm

I'm not saying that, Mindia. Notice I didn't accuse you of doing that. But you must admit, there is a HUGE legion of people out there who never examine their faith, they just go to church every sunday because it is expected of them. They swallow whole what their priests/preachers/etc tell them, and accept it as the whole truth without ever bothering to examine it for themselves. I've known innumerable Christians of all denominations who do exactly that.

Again, was in no way attempting to say that that's what YOU were like, but you and I both know that there's millions of people out there that ARE like that. If you've done your own personal examination of the teachings, thought about them critically, and gone pat the surface readigns to try and understand what the teachings MEAN, then more power to you. While I may not in any way believe what you do, you'll never see me insulting that process.

BTW, Mindia, as we've discussed before, trying to get laws passed that follow Christian doctrine, which you've said multiple times you'd like to see happen, *IS* trying to force your beliefs on other people. I am not of your faith, and my right to not follow your faith is guaranteed by the constitution. Therefore, if you got laws passed that followed Christian doctrine, you would be forcing me to follow christian rules, even though I'm not christian.

-Arlos

Narrock · Post by **Narrock** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 12:12 pm

arlos wrote:I'm not saying that, Mindia. Notice I didn't accuse you of doing that. But you must admit, there is a HUGE legion of people out there who never examine their faith, they just go to church every sunday because it is expected of them. They swallow whole what their priests/preachers/etc tell them, and accept it as the whole truth without ever bothering to examine it for themselves. I've known innumerable Christians of all denominations who do exactly that.

Again, was in no way attempting to say that that's what YOU were like, but you and I both know that there's millions of people out there that ARE like that. If you've done your own personal examination of the teachings, thought about them critically, and gone pat the surface readigns to try and understand what the teachings MEAN, then more power to you. While I may not in any way believe what you do, you'll never see me insulting that process.

BTW, Mindia, as we've discussed before, trying to get laws passed that follow Christian doctrine, which you've said multiple times you'd like to see happen, *IS* trying to force your beliefs on other people. I am not of your faith, and my right to not follow your faith is guaranteed by the constitution. Therefore, if you got laws passed that followed Christian doctrine, you would be forcing me to follow christian rules, even though I'm not christian.

-Arlos

I know what you mean about people going to church just because they were raised that way. That was me several years ago, then I left the church because of it and became an atheist *briefly.* I found atheism to be an empty shell of a life, and life had no purpose or meaning behind it. I came back to Christianity because it makes sense, and I feel it to my core.

America was founded on Christian principles. I do believe in separation of church and state, but having "In God We Trust" on our currency, or having the Ten Commandments up in Federal buildings, is not forcing anything down anybody's throat.

kaharthemad · Post by **kaharthemad** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 12:14 pm

spazz wrote:I think arlos has a religion hes just not very open bout it karhar. Less im trippin and that idea popped in my head outta nowhere

my apologies Arlos. I did not mean to offend you on that. Ill try and find something else to offend you on. :haha:

Spazz · Post by **Spazz** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 12:16 pm

Cept for the 10 commandments almost none of them are laws and ITS A COURT HOUSE and id bet alot of people int hat court house might not have those values and thus not wanna see that shit. I think if gods your thing thats great but i shouldt have to look at any of your bullshit on a PUBLIC building.

Harrison · Post by **Harrison** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 12:18 pm

Hey, can you fuckwads ungay my thread and gtfo?

This isn't about religion, at all.

Spazz · Post by **Spazz** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 12:23 pm

HEy asshole threads go where they go sorry

Narrock · Post by **Narrock** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 12:24 pm

spazz wrote:Cept for the 10 commandments almost none of them are laws and ITS A COURT HOUSE and id bet alot of people int hat court house might not have those values and thus not wanna see that shit. I think if gods your thing thats great but i shouldt have to look at any of your bullshit on a PUBLIC building.

So what. If you don't like it, don't stare at it.