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Postby Phlegm » Tue Oct 31, 2006 12:36 pm

Bush in full campaigning mode.

From Associated Press:
President Bush has tried for months to define the Nov. 7 congressional elections as a choice about two issues: taxes and terrorism. Now, with polls predicting bleak results for Republicans, he is trying to fire up his party by decrying gay marriage.


From Reuters:
Weakened by the unpopular Iraq war, President George W. Bush accused Democrats of lacking a plan to win it on Monday as he opened a weeklong drive to maintain Republican control of the U.S. Congress.

"The Democratic goal is to get out of Iraq. The Republican goal is to win in Iraq," Bush told a rally in a gymnasium at Georgia Southern University. Bush planned to travel every day but one until the November 7 elections, swooping into regions where races are tight and where a presidential visit aimed at drawing Republican loyalists to the voting booths might make a difference.

"This election is far from over," Bush said.
With polls showing voters far more inclined to vote for Democrats this year, Bush argued that it was the right decision to oust Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq despite the bloody insurgency that sprang up after the U.S. invasion.
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Postby Martrae » Tue Oct 31, 2006 12:40 pm

You notice how both of those are slanted to make Reps feel there's no hope and to pump Dems up?
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Postby Evermore » Tue Oct 31, 2006 12:49 pm

people are so tired of him and his failed presidency.
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Postby Martrae » Tue Oct 31, 2006 12:59 pm

It's always been that way with the news, though.
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Postby Lueyen » Tue Oct 31, 2006 1:10 pm

Martrae wrote:You notice how both of those are slanted to make Reps feel there's no hope and to pump Dems up?


First thing I noticed was how the two articles contradict each other.
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Postby Martrae » Tue Oct 31, 2006 1:35 pm

I wasn't really looking at what it said as much as the words it used.

Bleak, desperation, weakened, unpopular, swooping.....
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Postby Diekan » Tue Oct 31, 2006 5:06 pm

If they had actually spend a single minute doing something good for the country on the domestic side of the house, they'd have more ammunition to use other than.... be afriad! Keep us in power because we'll keep you safe!!!!!

The idiot GOP blabs on and on about how important it is to keep the country safe from outside, while internally we're falling to complete shit. What good will is it to be safe from terrorism when the country collapses from within?

Taxes sky high, the environment being take apart, big business running unchecked, jobs being sold off to the lower bidder, crime through the roof, illegals flooding into the country, education a laughing fucking joke, kids out of control, the family system being destroyed, we've lost out place as the world leaders of pretty much everything except rates of crime... but hey!!! We're gonna keep you safe from the TUORISTS!!!!!!!!!

THAT'S the reason they are running on the fear factor - because they have NOTHING else to woo you with.
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Postby brinstar » Tue Oct 31, 2006 5:24 pm

did anyone else notice last week when bush said "we have never been 'stay the course'"

riiiiiiiiiiight, and oceania has never been at war with eurasia :ugh:
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Postby Arlos » Tue Oct 31, 2006 5:52 pm

Heh, just saw an article on that very comparison:

An Orwellian cut and run
Leonard Pitts

'The Party said that Oceania had never been in alliance with Eurasia. He, Winston Smith, knew that Oceania had been in alliance with Eurasia as short a time as four years ago. But where did that knowledge exist? Only in his own consciousness, which in any case must soon be annihilated. And if all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed -- if all records told the same tale -- then the lie passed into history and became truth. 'Who controls the past,' ran the Party slogan, 'controls the future: who controls the present controls the past.'" -- from "1984" by George Orwell

"I'm here to tell you we're going to stay the course." -- George W. Bush, Nov. 28, 2003

"We've got to stay the course, and we will stay the course. " -- George W. Bush, April 5, 2004

"The United States of America will stay the course." -- George W. Bush, Nov. 21, 2004

"We will stay the course; we will complete the job in Iraq." -- George W. Bush, Aug. 4, 2005

"We will stay the course, we will help this young Iraqi democracy succeed." -- George W. Bush, Aug. 31, 2006

"Listen, we've never been stay the course." -- George W. Bush, Oct. 22, 2006

Ahem.

"Orwellian" is one of those words you toss out to prove you stayed awake in freshman English. Often, it is used to evoke a world in which all people are always under surveillance, as was the case in the totalitarian state George Orwell depicted in "1984," his 1949 masterpiece. But as you know if you've read the book, surveillance wasn't the most chilling aspect that Orwell foresaw.

No, the thing about that world that made your skin creep was the shameless intellectual dishonesty of its leaders, the brazen way they savaged objective truth and dared anyone to call them on it. Nobody did. The people accepted what they were told.

In the world Orwell invented, words had no objective meaning beyond that assigned them by the Party, whose slogans, not incidentally, were, "War is Peace," "Freedom is Slavery" and "Ignorance is Strength." In that world, there was no past -- or rather, the past was what the leaders said it was, and it was a waste of time to check for yourself, because all books, newspapers and other records were updated to reflect the new reality.

Thus, "Oceania had never been in alliance with Eurasia." Much as we now learn, the administration's policy toward Iraq has "never been stay the course." And never mind that the president and his henchmen have spent three years pounding that phrase like nails into the public consciousness.

"Stay the course" doesn't work anymore, so the White House announced that the phrase would no longer be used. That's their prerogative. But it's quite a leap from won't be used to never used.

So did we dream these last three years? Is "stay the course" just something we mumbled in our collective sleep? Or do we learn something here about Bush's level of respect for our collective intelligence?

It is not, by now, surprising that the president and his surrogates rewrite the past. We've seen that before, after all. Seen it with John Kerry the war hero "traitor," with John Murtha the Marine "coward." Saw it with WMD which, it turned out, were not the reason we invaded Iraq. (Where'd we ever get that idea?) What's painful, though, is that we see it so quietly, see it, as the citizens of "1984" did, with our acceptance.

The truth is being stolen before our eyes. Yet there are no mass demonstrations. There are not a million headlines saying, "Wait Just A Bleeping Minute!"

"We've never been stay the course," he says. Oh, we say. To which I must add that war is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength. And Orwell was off by 22 years.

Pitts is a columnist for the Miami Herald, 1 Herald Plaza, Miami, FL 33132


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Postby Evermore » Wed Nov 01, 2006 8:06 am

lol more proof of what a fucking retard Bush is gotta love it.

He is DEF in the top 5 of all time worst presidents
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Postby ybik gnome » Wed Nov 01, 2006 1:45 pm

Our troops plea to Kerry....


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Postby Martrae » Wed Nov 01, 2006 1:52 pm

LOL
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Postby Lueyen » Wed Nov 01, 2006 2:22 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLuMWiQ6r2o

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Postby ybik gnome » Wed Nov 01, 2006 2:49 pm

And his "refusal to apologize"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNvUg3F5 ... ed&search=

However, he then goes on to say it was a "botched joke" about the president. I mean with how many people look over these speeches before he gives them, and he tries to give this excuse? What the hell.
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Postby Iccarra » Wed Nov 01, 2006 3:11 pm

Ya, I heard about that on the radio this morning....the comment just made me sick for insulting the intelligence of those serving in the military and then defending what he said.

Botched joke or not...all I can say is.... :asshole:

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Postby Arlos » Wed Nov 01, 2006 3:48 pm

He apologized today. Was a retarded thing to say, no doubt. Which is worse, though: Suggesting the troops are stupid, or sending them out to die without proper gear and equipment (body armor, humvee armor, etc.), and then dragged their feet about providing said gear?

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Postby Minrott » Wed Nov 01, 2006 4:15 pm

Oh christ. If a soldier gets shot in the head with a centerfire rifle, and his kevlar helmet didn't stop the bullet, can you say he didn't have proper equipment? If a soldier is blown up by an IED that has the force of a 500lb air to surface bomb, and his flak jacket doesn't save him did he have improper equipment?

I understand some soldiers went undequipped compared to other soldiers. But to suggest that there's some kind of standardization across the whole of US forces for what they should and should not be issued, other than socks and foot powder, that's just crazy.
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Postby Arlos » Wed Nov 01, 2006 4:31 pm

Many soldiers had to spend their personal funds to get kevlar vests, they weren't supplied with one otherwise. Many units were spot-welding junk taken from a junkyard to their humvees as improvised armor. Look back a few years ago, and re-read about all the problems the troops were having, and how many complaints there were that not only had the Pentagon not provided them with the proper gear, but was dragging its feet about doing so, citing "cost limitations" at the same time they were receiving billions upon billions in funds for the war.

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Postby Lueyen » Wed Nov 01, 2006 6:41 pm

arlos wrote:He apologized today. Was a retarded thing to say, no doubt. Which is worse, though: Suggesting the troops are stupid, or sending them out to die without proper gear and equipment (body armor, humvee armor, etc.), and then dragged their feet about providing said gear?

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Saying he apologized is complete bullshit.

John Kerry wrote:As a combat veteran, I want to make it clear to anyone in uniform and to their loved ones: my poorly stated joke at a rally was not about, and never intended to refer to any troop.


What was said:
John Kerry wrote:You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don’t, you get stuck in Iraq.


What he was supposed to say:
Do you know where you end up if you don’t study, if you aren’t smart, if you’re intellectually lazy? You end up getting us stuck in a war in Iraq. Just ask President Bush.


Yea he botched his joke, but regardless if you include the punch line or not, the content and the insinuation remain the same. There is no difference between the two statements beyond including a shot at Bush... but I guess in his mind anytime you are taking a shot at bush it makes whatever else you say okay?


Then the meat of his "apology":
John Kerry wrote:I sincerely regret that my words were misinterpreted to wrongly imply anything negative about those in uniform, and I personally apologize to any service member, family member, or American who was offended.


How was he misinterpreted? I see no way to misinterpret his statement, no where do we see him correcting or explaining how his statement was not derogatory toward soldiers already in Iraq. This apology predicates it's self on him first being misinterpreted, people were not offended because they didn't understand what he said, they were offended because they completely understood what he said. He didn't say he was wrong in what he said, he never attempted to explain what he really meant. He made no genuine apology.

I won't even go into his accusation that this was somehow spun into something different from the words he spoke by the Bush administration. The White House didn't have to put any spin on it, the American people and our troops in the field can hear loud and clear exactly how he thinks by the words he speaks.

His statement yesterday and the crap he spewed today as an apology makes it crystal clear to me that the people of this country chose the better of the two in the last presidential election, maybe we could have done better but with a political system dominated by two parties we chose the best candidate available.

What is really a travesty is that Kerry at his age has never learned what most do at a young age, that an apology because you are sorry you got caught is empty, and true apology can only happen if you actually have remorse for your words or actions.
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Postby Arlos » Wed Nov 01, 2006 7:06 pm

I'm not defending what he said, OK? I thought it was asinine as well. There are far better joking ways to insinuate that President Bush has the IQ of a carrot.

However, I still say that if I have to compare 1 asshat who makes idiot commentary that disrespects the troops, and a 2nd asshat who allowed the troops on the ground to languish for months without proper equipment.... Which type of disrespect to the troops is worse and generates longer-lasting harm?

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Postby Martrae » Wed Nov 01, 2006 7:14 pm

Last time I checked the Pres wasn't the Pentagon...sure he can issue orders but it boils down to them actually doing what he says in a timely manner.
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Postby Lueyen » Wed Nov 01, 2006 7:32 pm

Your question doesn't take into account the difference between where the heart lies Arlos. The mobilization of our armed forces into Iraq was massive, and it pisses me off to no end that it wasn't done better. In answering your question however I have to consider do I think it was the result of a will to see our troops without necessary gear? I don't think so. Is it clear to me that Kerry has a pretty low opinion of at least a good portion of our troops? Yes. I'll take the incompetent guy whose heart is in the right place over the guy who's heart is in the wrong place every single time.

Honestly the DNC should boot Kerry's ass to the curb as the GOP did with Foley. Note I'm not comparing the actions of the two but the ramifications they are having on their party where the public is concerned. National voting trends shouldn't be swayed over the indiscretions of individuals, but they are at least in part. Kerry did more to hurt the Democratic party in the last few days then Bush could have done in even his wildest wet dreams. Neither party can afford these types of liabilities from individuals.
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Postby Lueyen » Wed Nov 01, 2006 7:37 pm

Martrae wrote:Last time I checked the Pres wasn't the Pentagon...sure he can issue orders but it boils down to them actually doing what he says in a timely manner.


I considered that Mart but it's sort of a straw mans argument, attitude and action is a reflection of leadership. To wholly blame the Pentagon for failures is not unlike wholly blaming the guards for Abu Ghraib.
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Postby Diekan » Wed Nov 01, 2006 8:35 pm

I can't wait.... the greedy, racist, big business loving, environmental hating, pole smoking Nazi's are about to get their asses handed to them. It's going to be great.
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Postby Harrison » Wed Nov 01, 2006 9:01 pm

:rofl:

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