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Appellate court rejects slave reparation claims

Postby Phlegm » Thu Dec 14, 2006 8:42 pm

From Associated Press:


CHICAGO - A federal appeals court on Wednesday rejected most claims by slave descendants that they deserve reparations from some of the nation's biggest insurers, banks and transportation companies.

The three-judge panel of the 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals affirmed a lower court ruling that slave descendants have no standing to sue for reparations based on injustices suffered by ancestors and that the statute of limitations ran out more than a century ago.

But the panel did keep alive a smaller portion of the suit, claiming that major U.S. corporations may be guilty of consumer fraud if they hid past ties to slavery from their customers.

The opinion, written by Judge Richard A. Posner, said that "statutes of limitations would be toothless" if descendants could collect damages for wrongs against their ancestors.

"A person whose ancestor had been wronged a thousand years ago could sue on the ground that it was a continuing wrong and he is one of the victims," the court said. It said statutes of limitations could be extended in some cases but not for acts committed 100 years ago.

The panel also said the descendants lacked standing to sue because their links to the slaves were distant.

It said the "causal chain is too long and has too many weak links for a court to be able to find that the defendants' conduct harmed the plaintiffs at all, let alone in an amount that could be estimated without the wildest speculation."

10 lawsuits consolidated
The lawsuit was a consolidation of 10 suits filed around the country and moved to Chicago. Slave descendants claim that big American corporations — including such Wall Street giants as JP Morgan Chase & Co., Aetna Inc. and Bank of America — profited from slavery and should pay. It says the companies insured and transported slaves and even issued loans to slaveholders so they could buy slaves.

U.S. District Judge Charles R. Norgle Sr. had dismissed all the claims. He found that the descendants lacked standing and that the statute of limitations had expired, and that the issue was political and shouldn't be worked out in a court.

While largely upholding Norgle's decision, the appeals court kept alive the consumer protection claims.

Descendants claim they have been injured by buying products from companies that concealed the fact that they or their predecessor companies somehow benefited from slavery.

In allowing the consumer-protection claims, the appeals court said it knew of no law saying a seller has "a general duty to disclose every discreditable fact about himself." But it added that sellers who misrepresent a product, fearing the loss of buyers who would object to it, are guilty of fraud.

Bruce Afran, an attorney for the descendants, said that "we have a very fair chance of prevailing" on the fraud claims.

He said some banks had filed false information with regulators that could be used as evidence in arguing they were guilty of consumer fraud.
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Postby Evermore » Thu Dec 14, 2006 9:37 pm

another friviolus ( sp ) lawsuit gone. we got way too many lawyers in this country
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Postby Ganzo » Thu Dec 14, 2006 9:40 pm

I'm filing lawsuit against Egypt, to collect reparations for time my ansestors spent there as slaves. I'm also considering suing most of European and Middle Eastern nations for reparations for what my ansestors had to endure during dark ages
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Postby Arlos » Fri Dec 15, 2006 2:38 am

I'll join you in that one, Ganzo, the Europe part anyway. More than a few pagans were burned at the stake over the course of the dark ages, let me assure you... In fact, I think I'll sue the Pope directly, since it was the Catholic Church's fault. I am sure I have a GREAT chance of success, really....

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Postby Evermore » Fri Dec 15, 2006 7:23 am

Ganzo you should sue the germans then too.
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Postby Ganzo » Fri Dec 15, 2006 7:40 am

Germans payed to people who lost family members and/or property to Nazis; but not to their decendants
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Postby Tuggan » Fri Dec 15, 2006 3:14 pm

Ganzo wrote:Germans payed to people who lost family members and/or property to Nazis; but not to their decendants


No shit? I never knew that. That must have cost a few bucks.
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Postby Evermore » Fri Dec 15, 2006 3:22 pm

me either
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Postby Harrison » Fri Dec 15, 2006 3:36 pm

Ganzo wrote:Germans payed to people who lost family members and/or property to Nazis; but not to their decendants


Wasn't this a condition of their surrender?
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Postby Gargamellow » Fri Dec 15, 2006 3:40 pm

maybe we should destroy money and go back to trading food for work
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Postby Ganzo » Fri Dec 15, 2006 6:38 pm

My grandma lost her parents, her husband, 3 brothers, 2 sisters, tons of other family, plus her house, all the shit in it, was hiding in neighbors basement with my dad and his sister (they were 6 and 4 at the time) for 16 months, so Germany gave her $4000. seems like fair deal huh :umno:
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Postby Lyion » Fri Dec 15, 2006 7:29 pm

G! How the heck are you? Baby looks great. Good thing it has its Moms looks!

You gaming or anything?
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Postby Ganzo » Fri Dec 15, 2006 8:01 pm

Thanks Lyion, everything fantastic. No time for games, between running my business, doing about 50hrs of labor and 7 month old at home. Barely find time to look at internet when drinkin cofee in the morning and some evenings.

Where you been hiding
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Postby Lyion » Fri Dec 15, 2006 9:32 pm

Life has kept me hopping. I've just now started to get some free time on my hands.
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Postby kinghooter00 » Fri Dec 22, 2006 12:30 pm

Who can i sue for crazy, nonsense reasons???? Somebody owes me something, i know it.
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Postby Narrock » Fri Dec 22, 2006 12:41 pm

Ganzo wrote:My grandma lost her parents, her husband, 3 brothers, 2 sisters, tons of other family, plus her house, all the shit in it, was hiding in neighbors basement with my dad and his sister (they were 6 and 4 at the time) for 16 months, so Germany gave her $4000. seems like fair deal huh :umno:


Germany has paid billions of dollars to the Jews for what their ancestors did, plus there are many holocaust museums around Germany to honor the Jews. Yes, it doesn't mean shit in the grand scheme of things (because obviously it doesn't make up for the atrocities that nazi Germany committed against Jews), but you have to look at it logically... Germany doesn't owe Israel or any holocaust survivor jack shit, and they are doing it out of respect and kindness, and for that, you should be grateful.
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