Women

[Naethyn]

There have been many posts like this before, but I wanted to find out the opinions of the NT!

Anyways,
After the last few relationships I've been in I've noticed one universal truth. The more respect I give a woman the less she gives back in return and the less respect I give the more she gives back. I guess it is wrong to assume this of all women, but each and every one I've had the opportunity to test this on holds the values of demanding respect from men.

Case 1:
I meet female A. I give her new opporunities in varius ways such as a career, college, and better life. Every step of the way I had her benefit in mind. I held to the ideal that in bettering her life it would better my own. I respected her. Time and time again she would walk over me. I didn't exactly put up with it, because time and time again I would push her away. But I did make the mistake of taking her back. Eventually it got to the point where she would test me until I had no choice but to end it.

Case 2:
I meet female B. In gaining experience from female A I decide to take a different route. I don't respect her. I still play the role as a gentleman, but the decisions I make are not in her benefit. The more I push her away and treat her has I hate to treat her she keeps coming back for more. This girl will litterally do anything I tell her too.

In both cases sex plays a vital role. In case 1 I did not rush it and when it happened it was great. In case 2 I laid her out the first night and she can't help but come back for more.

Now I look at both situations and I've come to the conclusion that women are pathetic. I used to be the guy who wanted to treat a woman "right", but after both case scenarios I wonder why? Treat them like a princess and they walk all over you. Treat them like a whore and they can't get enough.

[Phlegm]

You should ask Diekan for his unbias opinion of women.

[Martrae]

You should ask Diekan for his unbias opinion of women.

[Darcler]

Only way to test this theory is to start respecting Woman B and see how/if she changes. Couple be you had an independant Woman A and a dependant Woman B.




Fuckmook

[Gypsiyee]

When will you dipshits realize this has nothing to do with women so much as people in general.

There's a reason the phrase give an inch, take a mile was coined.

If you find that this is all women, PERHAPS, MAYBE, it's not the rest of the world, it's you.

Thats what cracks me up about these posts - you guys honestly think that it's the rest of the population and you're not the primary problem. Did you learn noting in Science class with your projects? The only constant is you, so your hypothesis needs to be based around you.

It's not a huge conspiracy gentlemen, the pussy people aren't out to get you. You're just dysfunctonal.

[Tossica]

When will you dipshits realize this has nothing to do with women so much as people in general.

There's a reason the phrase give an inch, take a mile was coined.

If you find that this is all women, PERHAPS, MAYBE, it's not the rest of the world, it's you.

Thats what cracks me up about these posts - you guys honestly think that it's the rest of the population and you're not the primary problem. Did you learn noting in Science class with your projects? The only constant is you, so your hypothesis needs to be based around you.

It's not a huge conspiracy gentlemen, the pussy people aren't out to get you. You're just dysfunctonal.

Nah.

Women are nuts.

[Mop]

Are there actually pussy people, if so where do they reside, are they like the amish or even harder to find. I think they are mythical.

[runamonk]

LOL the pussy people.

[Granh]

the pussy people aren't out to get you

<a href='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfLht1WFfQw'>Pillow Pants!

[Tikker]

When will you dipshits realize this has nothing to do with women so much as people in general.

There's a reason the phrase give an inch, take a mile was coined.

If you find that this is all women, PERHAPS, MAYBE, it's not the rest of the world, it's you.

Thats what cracks me up about these posts - you guys honestly think that it's the rest of the population and you're not the primary problem. Did you learn noting in Science class with your projects? The only constant is you, so your hypothesis needs to be based around you.

It's not a huge conspiracy gentlemen, the pussy people aren't out to get you. You're just dysfunctonal.

I"m actually going to go with Naethyn and Toss on this one

Women are just different

if you're nice, they'll walk all over you, if you treat them poorly, they'll spend so much time trying to figure out what's wrong with themselves, they'll become completely subservient


the key is to randomly mix things up!

keep them on their toes

[runamonk]

the pussy people aren't out to get you

<a href='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfLht1WFfQw'>Pillow Pants!

This one is better.

[DangerPaul]

Keep away from fucked up women and you do not have these scenarios, it took me hundreds of women to find a normal one.

[runamonk]

It takes time to find a person who is just as fucked up as you.

[DangerPaul]

exactly

[runamonk]

Sometimes you get lucky and find two. That's just good stuff right there.

[Iccarra]

It takes time to find a person who is just as fucked up as you.

[Gypsiyee]

There is no one size fits all. Everyone goes through relationships that fail, every person who is single has never had a successful relationship so obviously it's going to cloud your vision toward a good relationship with someone who clicks with you.

Just because a lot of men cheat doesn't mean I think every man cheats. It's rare that there are 2 people in the world who actually find each other and are actually meant to be together, so in the meantime while finding that person you go through heaps of people who just aren't compatible with you. It's truly ignorant to base your opinion on a whole population on failed relationships, because unless you're in a current GOOD relationship your opinion is going to be skewed.

Yes, men and women are different as a general rule. But not all men are the same and not all women are the same, and to think they are is a very uneducated juvenile opinion.

[runamonk]

Well if you want to be serious about it Gyp you're correct. Stereotyping a whole gender because of the meager number of women who have been brave enough to have sexual relations with Tikker would be wrong.

[araby]

women are the fruit and goddesses of the earth. the shitasses that have no respect for women and cheated on them mindlessly are the reason women are the way they are today. and some women too of course.

what was it that gyps said? give an inch take a mile...that's exactly right. back when it all began, women typically "allowed" their men to cheat. hell, in many cases both partners did it and took trips together/separately to indulge themselves.

well, word caught on that if you schmooze her enough she'll come back. the good ones do come back, the fools continue to let it go on.

it's a two-way street, don't get me wrong. all these women learned from their predecessors and now we have a lot of hot-headed "you can't hurt me" little bitches walking around with their pussies out but their hearts locked. I've seen them.

I started with me, looked at the person in the mirror one day and decided that if I am the fruit of the earth and meant to be worshiped, then I have to act like it. so I started acting like it. my boyfriend isn't really used to it yet. he still expects me to cry/get upset/scream/be jealous but now I just sit there, being the fruit of the earth and the goddess I am. he'll probably break up with me after the one-millionth "is there something on your mind baby, why are you acting different" question that I answer the same way every time.

[Arlos]

No one in a relationship is meant to be "worshipped". Period. A real relationship is as close to 50% on both sides as possible, and if there's something wrong, you TALK about it, like actual adult human beings. It goes without saying that you shouldn't be cheating in a comitted relationship. If you're cheating, something is obviously lacking from the relationship, so why the fuck are you still in it?

That said, women and men ARE definitely different. To say otherwise is to ignore basic physiology, biology and psychology. No, we're not as different as you'd see in running jokes on TV or in the popular media, but yes, there are definite differences. Now, some of the stuff that generates the biggest complaints, though, I think, arise from socialization and cultural issues, rather than any sort of innate difference between the sexes.

I mean, is there a male counterpart to the DANGER, WILL ROBINSON landmine question of "Honey, do these pants make me look fat?" or its ilk? I've also not known guys to generate fake "crises" in order to "test" their partner in a relationship. A friend just went through that. He was involved with a girl, comitted to it, the whole thing, even though they lived a ways apart. They'd gotten together in person frequently, it still clicked, and they were talking about moving in together in a few months. Well, recently she came down on a trip and decided to "test" him in some incomprehensible fashion, refused to put out and told him she "needed her space" during the trip. Well, he took her at her word, didn't push it, and gave her her space. Still hung out with her, spent time with her, etc. though. She goes back home, then calls and tells him that that whole thing was a test, and he hadn't passed. He, not surprisingly, considered the very concept of what she'd done BS, and broke up with her on the spot. No guy I've known has ever done something like that, but I've known multiple women who have. Still, I don't know if that's something innate to the difference in species, or if it's a cultural issue, as it's only been American women that I've known that have done that sort of thing.

Anyway, tarring an entire half of the species with one brush based on a sample of 1-2 people is, of course, ludicrous. However, observing patterns, trends, and general behavior issues, and making general projections thereby is just statistics.

-Arlos

[araby]

No one in a relationship is meant to be "worshipped". Period. A real relationship is as close to 50% on both sides as possible, and if there's something wrong, you TALK about it, like actual adult human beings. It goes without saying that you shouldn't be cheating in a comitted relationship. If you're cheating, something is obviously lacking from the relationship, so why the fuck are you still in it?

That said, women and men ARE definitely different. To say otherwise is to ignore basic physiology, biology and psychology. No, we're not as different as you'd see in running jokes on TV or in the popular media, but yes, there are definite differences. Now, some of the stuff that generates the biggest complaints, though, I think, arise from socialization and cultural issues, rather than any sort of innate difference between the sexes.

I mean, is there a male counterpart to the DANGER, WILL ROBINSON landmine question of "Honey, do these pants make me look fat?" or its ilk? I've also not known guys to generate fake "crises" in order to "test" their partner in a relationship. A friend just went through that. He was involved with a girl, comitted to it, the whole thing, even though they lived a ways apart. They'd gotten together in person frequently, it still clicked, and they were talking about moving in together in a few months. Well, recently she came down on a trip and decided to "test" him in some incomprehensible fashion, refused to put out and told him she "needed her space" during the trip. Well, he took her at her word, didn't push it, and gave her her space. Still hung out with her, spent time with her, etc. though. She goes back home, then calls and tells him that that whole thing was a test, and he hadn't passed. He, not surprisingly, considered the very concept of what she'd done BS, and broke up with her on the spot. No guy I've known has ever done something like that, but I've known multiple women who have. Still, I don't know if that's something innate to the difference in species, or if it's a cultural issue, as it's only been American women that I've known that have done that sort of thing.

Anyway, tarring an entire half of the species with one brush based on a sample of 1-2 people is, of course, ludicrous. However, observing patterns, trends, and general behavior issues, and making general projections thereby is just statistics.

-Arlos

you're wrong. if any person, man or woman-believes that cheating is grounds enough for divorce-then they will divorce over it.

if you forgive the other person-there is no consequence. and if you think bringing up past problems is a consequence, or having to sleep on the couch-or deal with her for the next year because of what you did-you are wrong. those are HER consequences for allowing you to stay. works the other way also. it's not just his problem now, it's hers too.

[araby]

what I mean to point out arlos-is that your value of love is the only thing that will keep you honest in any situation. and the one thing you're right about is this. if you do not value the one that you are with, leave them.

I like worship also. and I do believe women are to be worshiped. not like you're taking it to mean though. I mean worshiped in the amount that they are loved.

[Harrison]

I mean, is there a male counterpart to the DANGER, WILL ROBINSON landmine question of "Honey, do these pants make me look fat?" or its ilk? I've also not known guys to generate fake "crises" in order to "test" their partner in a relationship. A friend just went through that. He was involved with a girl, comitted to it, the whole thing, even though they lived a ways apart. They'd gotten together in person frequently, it still clicked, and they were talking about moving in together in a few months. Well, recently she came down on a trip and decided to "test" him in some incomprehensible fashion, refused to put out and told him she "needed her space" during the trip. Well, he took her at her word, didn't push it, and gave her her space. Still hung out with her, spent time with her, etc. though. She goes back home, then calls and tells him that that whole thing was a test, and he hadn't passed. He, not surprisingly, considered the very concept of what she'd done BS, and broke up with her on the spot. No guy I've known has ever done something like that, but I've known multiple women who have. Still, I don't know if that's something innate to the difference in species, or if it's a cultural issue, as it's only been American women that I've known that have done that sort of thing.

Anyway, tarring an entire half of the species with one brush based on a sample of 1-2 people is, of course, ludicrous. However, observing patterns, trends, and general behavior issues, and making general projections thereby is just statistics.

-Arlos

That makes me more angry than outright lying. I once ran 4-5 fucking miles to this bitch's house because she called me up "hysterically" crying, which I later find out to be half faked, just to see what I would have done if she really needed me.

[Arlos]

Araby, I don't think I could stay with someone who cheated and lied to me. I have a hard enough time with trust as it is, there's no way I could maintain it with someone I KNEW had lied, gone behind my back, and done something like that. Without trust, I simply can't be in a relationship. I would expect nothing less from her side were I to compromise all of my internal principles and ethics and cheat on her. (never done it, doubt I ever would).

I will say that in the hypothetical, there's a big difference between cheating behind someone's back, and partner-sharing, where someone tells you ahead of time and gets permission before fooling around with someone else. I still don't think that I could deal with that too well, and would likely never give such permission, but I have known couples with "open" relationships that work, because they always told each other before anything happened, and got their partner's OK first. At that point, it's not cheating. Again though, that isn't a lifestyle I think I could deal with, if for no other reason, than at least for me, I have to have a pretty strong emotional connection with someone (at least as really good friends) to really enjoy sex with them. Had one GF where, when things were going well, was the best sex I ever had in my life. There were other issues that caused us to break up though, and there was a couple cases where during that breakup process, when I didn't even like her much, she insisted on sleeping together, and it was the WORST sex I've ever had. (seriously, was like "You done yet? No? OK, I'll stay hard a while longer, let me know when you're done")

Anyway, I've never "worshipped" a girlfriend, just loved them and tried to treat them as I'd want to be treated. Given that I'm not married at this point, obviously I haven't found the right person yet. Someday, perhaps, but I'm not exactly holding my breath.

Oh, and Harrison, I agree completely. There's not much faster way to get me to break up with someone than to create a fake crisis as some sort of twisted "test" of the relationship. My very first real relationship, she was an absolute master manipulator and played me like a violin string. Fucked me up afterward for a LONG time. Since then, I simply do not put up with any game-playing. Period. You do it, I'm gone. I won't get sucked back into a toxic situation like that first relationship, not no way, not no how.

-Arlos

[Gaazy]

Fuck that shit, if a girl cheats on me, her ass will get booted to the curb real fuckin fast. Thats just one of the things in my book that there is no forgiveness for. Too many other women out there to be wastin my time with a cheater, and I would expect a girl to do the same damn thing to me if I ever did somethin dishonest like that.